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Should RHDN allow controversial elements in its hacks (total or partial nudity, bad taste humor, social and political satire, etc)?

Yes, of course! Censorship does not belong in the 21st century.
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Absolutely not. There are already pages that publish this kind of stuff.
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Yes, but only if it is done with respect and good taste.
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Always yes, but a rating system (like the ESRB) should be used to warn of inappropriate content.
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Voting closes: October 20, 2020, 03:50:18 am

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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2020, 11:13:04 pm »
WOW. I did not see the eyes of the wigglers and assumed his nose was the eyes and was very confused. It looks really good as is and I feel really dumb now :D

In the end, these are all just ideas anyways, keeping original stuff helps gives this game more of a charm anyways!

Crediting would be cool! And I'll continue to provide ideas as much as I can instead of skimping out.

Quick Question: what are the underwater helmeted enemies (that replace the the trident ones) a reference to? For some reason I can't pinpoint them...

Otherwise, looking very good so far!
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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2020, 12:09:58 am »
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Quick Question: what are the underwater helmeted enemies (that replace the the trident ones) a reference to? For some reason I can't pinpoint them...



Those are Scuba Diving Goombas :laugh:. It made its only appearance in Super Mario Land 2. In that game it walks on the bottom of the sea, and it moves as a regular Goomba, but with the underwater helmet.



I modified a bit the design to fit better. Now he swims with his feet.

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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2020, 12:22:57 am »
how beautiful this "pirate fake" looks. (well,I understand that this is a hack, but it is soundly remade) :)

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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2020, 12:51:00 am »
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how beautiful this "pirate fake" looks. (well,I understand that this is a hack, but it is soundly remade) :)

Thanks! This hack is actually a "fake bootleg" based on a "real bootleg", or a "As it should have been". The Chinese programmers didn't put any effort into SMB8, stealing Don Doko Don 2 and changing only the title screen and the main character in the most sloppy way. "Mario on the cover = Easy money" they must have thought.

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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2020, 08:39:41 am »


Those are Scuba Diving Goombas :laugh:. It made its only appearance in Super Mario Land 2. In that game it walks on the bottom of the sea, and it moves as a regular Goomba, but with the underwater helmet.



I modified a bit the design to fit better. Now he swims with his feet.

Ohhhhhh, I can see it now (it's been a little while since I last played SML2). Would you consider removing the eyes, then adding the helmet and faceplate pattern from SML2 or keeping the eyes and adding a distinct Goomba mouth?

October 03, 2020, 10:19:20 am - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Ideas for the Third World (Skylands)
1 - the Plane could be replaced with Mario's plane from Super Mario Land 1, Wario's plane (possibly with Wario in it), or Roketons (SML)
2 - The Cyclops thing could be replaced with a Kyororo (SML2)
3 - The Cloud-like Ghost enemy could be replaced with a Flame Chomp (Mario 3), and it's lightning bolts replaced with Fire Balls
4 - The Flying Bat-Demon thing could be replaced with an Albatoss (SM2), as stated earlier in the thread
5 - The Fan Boost platforms could be replaced with those Spinning Spring-like Boost platforms from New Super Mario Bros. (DS)
6 - The Parachute Pigs could be replaced with Blue-Shelled Koopa Troopas (complete with Wings for descent instead of a parachute)
7 - The Plane platforms could be changed to look a little more like the planes from Wii Sports Resort (or could be changed entirely to small Airships from Mario 3)
8 - The Hammer Pigs could be changed to Spike from Wrecking Crew (https://www.mariowiki.com/Foreman_Spike)
9 - Those Floating House-like platforms could definitely be changed to Airships (if you can manage to make them fit ;))
10 - Those Green Emblems on the entrance to the bottom-of-the-island section (as soon as you come out of the door) could be changed to Phanto emblems
11 - The Robotic Pigs (inside of the island's caves) could be changed to those Koopa Troopas with the Mario Masks on (that change after you beat the Special World in Super Mario World)
12 - The Purple Adornments that hang on the outside of the castle could be changed to reflect either the Adornments in Bowser's Castle (Mario 3 or Mario World) or the Adornments in Peach's Castle (Mario 64, maybe?)
13 - The ceiling Flamethrowers could be changed to the Burners (from Mario 3)
14 - Maybe the Big Fans that are helping keep the Castle afloat could be altered a bit to look more like the Fans from the Mario 3 Airships? (that's up to artistic or personal preference though, they seem fine for now)

15 - The final boss (with the parachute) has got to be somebody like Wario or Boom Boom. I think Wario would make the most sense, considering the boss' body type.
16 - The enemies he throws out could easily be the Bomb-omb's with Parachutes from Super Mario World, that seems to be the most appropriate change that can adhere to the original sprites, plus, it would fit Wario's aesthetic, considering he likes to use those kinds of attacks and has even co-starred on a Bomberman game on Gameboy (Wario Blast).

Keep up the good work, Mr. Onion! :thumbsup:

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Ideas for World 5 (Outlands):
1 - The Sleeping Moon in the background can be changed to the one on the Map screen of SML2 (Moon Zone)
2 - The Mummy enemies could be changed to Dry Bones (or even Mummy-Me's from Captain Toad Treasure Tracker)
3 - Frankenstein could be changed to a Kurokyura (basically Dracula) from SML2, and the Bats can be changed to the bats thrown out by Kurokyura (or, alternatively, Swoopers (SMW) or Fangs (Yoshi's Island))
4 - The grave sprites can be altered to look a little more like the ones from Pumpkin Zone (SML2)
5 - The Rolling Pumpkin Head could be changed to Bob-ombs, Buzzy Beetles, or a Ganchan (SML)
6 - the Floating Skull Ghost could be changed to Boo Guys (Yoshis Island), Terekuribos (Boo Goombas - SML2), or Eeries (SMW)
7 - The Bag powerup could (albeit obviously) be changed to a (yellow) Star, as they both provide invincibility. HOWEVER, I know you already have the floating collectibles as Stars, so a Moneybag (SML2), would fit well too.
8 - The Axe Knights with Shields could be changed to Sledge Bros. (Mario 3), or Sumo Bros. (SMW)
9 - The ghost-like Fire Wizards could be changed to Magikoopas (and when they trwvale across the screen in flame form, their Sprite could be adjusted to look a little like F Boys from SML2)
10- The Witches (that shoot out Broomsticks) could be changed to Kammy Koopa or altered to look like the Witch from SML2
11 - The suits of armor in the background could be changed to Bowser statues (either the design from SMB3, SMW, or Mario Maker)

12 - Ok, this boss is HARD to think of anything to replace it. It's super creepy and IMO, doesnt fit with the Mario changes in aesthetic. However, the only thing I could think of is maybe Bowser Jr. In a Clown Car or one of the Koopalings hopping on the ball.

I'll end here on ideas for a while as I think two whole worlds (plus finishing World 3), is enough to keep anyone busy for a long time. As always, stay well and take whatever you want from my noggin :D
« Last Edit: October 03, 2020, 05:24:07 pm by Supergamerguy »
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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2020, 11:30:30 pm »
World 2 finished! Here are some links to some sprite-tests that I have published on Twitter so that you can have a look at them:

https://twitter.com/CryingOnion3/status/1312489135937003521?s=20

https://twitter.com/CryingOnion3/status/1312930211076345856?s=20

My native language is not English, so I want to ask you if the second boss's phrase "I lost my bra. Have you seen it?" is well written.

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The Hammer Pigs could be changed to Spike from Wrecking Crew

The main problem with the pigs that appear in the game, is that the vast majority of them share the colour palette with the main character (black, red and skin colour). That bothers me, because if it had been possible, I would have liked to replace them with characters in the vein of the Hammer Brothers from SMB3
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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2020, 08:23:47 am »
World 2 finished! Here are some links to some sprite-tests that I have published on Twitter so that you can have a look at them:

https://twitter.com/CryingOnion3/status/1312489135937003521?s=20

https://twitter.com/CryingOnion3/status/1312930211076345856?s=20

My native language is not English, so I want to ask you if the second boss's phrase "I lost my bra. Have you seen it?" is well written.

The main problem with the pigs that appear in the game, is that the vast majority of them share the colour palette with the main character (black, red and skin colour). That bothers me, because if it had been possible, I would have liked to replace them with characters in the vein of the Hammer Brothers from SMB3

1 - Doesnt matter how well written it is, that kind of stuff (especially the new boss edit) will get your hack banned from RHDN like Pablo Kong was, but for worse reasons. :-\ I don't want to see that happen as this hack is getting better and better everyday, so please change it back. :'(

2 - But the Pako Sprites and the new Hermit Crab sprites (Huckit Crabs maybe? ;)) look outstanding! And it's a shame about the Hammer Pigs, I wish there were more tutorials on how to reassign palletes to different sprites in NES games (for example, assign a new pallete for the Hammer Pigs to a different pallette already on screen at the time). If there are tutorials, I can't find them. :D

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https://twitter.com/CryingOnion3/status/1313936732497358848

That's a nice looking Wario sprite for that boss right there, very well done. :thumbsup: Much better than the last boss edit. :-\

But for real though, that last boss could be anything else other than a lewd palette swap. Petey Piranha, Wendy Koopa, Birdo, anything that makes it feel more Mario-ish. At this point in time, it feels very anti-Mario, meaning that it's not in line with the rest of the hack at all. :(
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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2020, 01:49:50 am »
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That's a nice looking Wario sprite for that boss right there, very well done. :thumbsup: Much better than the last boss edit. :-\

If you liked it, wait to watch it finished and animated! XD

https://twitter.com/CryingOnion3/status/1314070457935630336?s=20

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Doesnt matter how well written it is, that kind of stuff (especially the new boss edit) will get your hack banned from RHDN like Pablo Kong was, but for worse reasons. :-\ I don't want to see that happen as this hack is getting better and better everyday, so please change it back. :'(

If they decide to ban my hack, they should also ban Castlevania's "topless Medusa", Megaman Legends "spicy magazine joke", naked Adam and Eve in the game Taboo, Kunio Kun taking a bath in River City Ramson, the naked woman sculpture in Maniac Mansion and ┬┐the chubby kid peeing on you in Kid Niki 3?

Seriously, In times when we can see hyper-realistic nudity and sex in games like The Witcher 3 or GOW, seeing something offensive in a fairly mild spicy joke and a pixelated topless would be a joke.

Of course, other members may disagree with me, which is why I have created a poll that you can find at the top of this post.

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2 - But the Pako Sprites and the new Hermit Crab sprites (Huckit Crabs maybe? ;)) look outstanding! And it's a shame about the Hammer Pigs, I wish there were more tutorials on how to reassign palletes to different sprites in NES games (for example, assign a new pallete for the Hammer Pigs to a different pallette already on screen at the time). If there are tutorials, I can't find them. :D

That sounds great! I still don't know how to do it and it would be useful in this and other projects.

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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2020, 08:40:17 am »
If you liked it, wait to watch it finished and animated! XD

https://twitter.com/CryingOnion3/status/1314070457935630336?s=20

Looking outstanding as always! One step closer to an amazing final product. :thumbsup:

Seriously, In times when we can see hyper-realistic nudity and sex in games like The Witcher 3 or GOW, seeing something offensive in a fairly mild spicy joke and a pixelated topless would be a joke.

I would disagree with you there, the argument that something is less offensive than something else doesn't make it automatically acceptable. But even beyond a difference of opinions, would you be open to making another patch when the project is completely done that restores the original sprite (the pallette remaining)?
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2020, 03:20:46 pm »
Of course, something does not automatically become less offensive by comparing it to something else! In the same way that a child can relativise something bad he has done with a phrase like "It could have been worse", but it's obvious that unless you see the world in B/W, context and nuance are very important. A topless pixelated-mermaid in the context of a childish spicy joke can never be considered as offensive as one of GTA's anatomically realistic prostitutes, just as a nude in the Sistine Chapel is not as offensive as one in Pornhub.

Although I must be grateful to Hentaipope (former member of this community, and founder/admin of baddesthacks.net) for hosting my Pablo Kong hack, my brain is still processing that a quite correct political satire that aims to incite to humor and reflection, is in a website where all SMB sprites are replaced by penises (...).

This is clearly the result of applying criteria without criteria, except Black or White, and I think that it' s worth talking about, because it would allow many users to express themselves without fear. That a person worries about being banned before being banned is not the product of a healthy policy.

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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2020, 08:54:29 pm »
Honestly, more than a case of censorship, I think it is applying a bit of common sense, we work with material that does not belong to us in an era where romhacking has lost a lot of ground, not to mention that we are part of a process where all dogmas are put in discussion or as others would call it "a generation that is offended by anything".

That is why it is not that nobody wants to silence your voice, it is that the page does not need any more conflicts with Nintendo or some politician on duty who does not agree with the inappropriate use of his image.

It really is sad, but if you seriously consider it, you will see that there are more cons than pros, it is unwise to think that people will know how to differentiate the means of the intention, for example when Animal Crossing incorporated works of art it was repudiated for including nudes among his works.

And you will say, that is not porn, but that is how things work Romhackin.net does not censor you, you can say everything you want here, just try to ensure that we have a place to return :thumbsup:

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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2020, 03:51:02 pm »
I have always understood the point of view of the Community managers. I just don't agree with it. Letting fear win is not a solution, it's a symptom of the sick society in which we live. An example:


Looks like a real "Gangsta", right?

In my country, a rapper called Valtonyc was accused and convicted in absentia of the crimes of Exaltation of Terrorism, Threats, and (sic) Injuries to the Crown, using the Anti-Terrorism Act (which was toughened at the time when we were fighting a local terrorist organization called ETA, in a quite similar situation to IRA in Ireland). These are some of the verses for which he has been convicted:

"When I say Gora (Hail) ETA in front of a Civil Guard (a military police), that's why they lock you up and not for being a son of a bitch like Urdangarin (the husband of one of the princesses of my country, currently in jail for the crimes of Prevarication, Embezzlement, Influence peddling, Public Administration Fraud and two tax crimes)."

"I want to transmit to the Spanish a message of hope, ETA is a great nation (parodying the King's Christmas speech)."

"I'm not going to shut up anymore, I'm going to fight even if I have to get a gun like Froilan Marichalar (grandson of the king, who as a minor shot himself in the foot during a hunt)."

"We will reach the nut of your neck, you bastard, meeting in the palace of the Bourbon (the bloodline of our Royal House), Kalashnikov."


There are even tougher verses in, threats against the Crown, politics and State Defense Forces, but this guy has no weapons, doesn't know how to use one, and has no personal connection to a terrorist organization, he just express sympathy for it (something I don't agree, but for a long time like in the IRA/Ireland example, it was usual). And this happened SEVERAL years after the terrorist organization surrendered, dismantled, and integrated into national politics to defend its ideas without using violence.

Another example: In my country exists the crime of blasphemy (...), denounced as "Offenses to religious feelings" (Article 525 of Organic Law 10/1995, of November 23, of the Criminal Code).



So, if a Spanish actor known for acts of provocation on social networks like Willy Toledo says something like "Fuck God and the Virgin (Maria)," he's automatically in the crosshair of pressure groups like the "Spanish Christian Lawyers Association". There are very few convictions for this crime, but there are many complaints. Is just an strategy. The purpose? Intimidate people to force self-censoring.

And what's the point of this (sorry) long exposure? That we can self-censor ourselves, or we can express ideas (even those that nobody likes), as long as it can be done under conditions of equality and respect. In terms of what we gain or lose, I think we lose a lot when we lost our honesty or principles for fear.

And as for modifying games subject to copyright, first, most countries consider it a crime when we cause damage or obtain a direct benefit. If that were to change, any story, comic or image made by a fan for fans would be considered illegal. The thing changes when we take profit, like those who put this roms in repro cartridges and sell them for 50 bucks.

Furthermore, even if the purpose of a hack is to modify an original rom, the patch only contains the altered data, i.e. parts that were not written by the original programmers and cannot be subject to copyright.

Note: I will not paint my face blue and shout "FREEDOM! I wouldn't even risk my life to keep my convictions, although I have risked my own safety when I saw someone in real trouble but c'mon, we can take a seat and talk. We can't just have two boxes, for "GOOD" and "BAD" hacks. My "Pablo Kong" hack maybe it be controversial, but it's pretty respectfully. You don't agree? Take a look at this:

https://www.hobbyconsolas.com/noticias/puigdekong-juego-android-investidura-puigdemont-187642

It's basically the same as my hack, but developed as an app and anyone could download it from the Google Store, with the current conflict between a part of my country that wants to become independent from the rest. Currently there are politicians in jail for the crime of Sedition.



Sorry for the Joke XD. That's all. See Ya!

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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2020, 04:58:37 pm »
I actually voted no.  Not because I'm in favor of censorship, but this is why we have baddesthacks.net

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Re: Super Mario Bros. 8
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2020, 08:33:48 pm »
Of course! It's your opinion and it must be respected. Actually, the only thing that bothers me is people who bow their heads and don't care if they have the opportunity to express their opinion. Nobody risks anything, and this is not going to change the opinion of the community managers. Maybe if the participation had been high...