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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2021, 07:21:26 pm »
Like I said: I don't know who the audience is for this.  The only thing in my experience to which I can reasonably compare it is the rough draft for a reference work.  Is this modeled on something else you've seen? If you think it's perfect the way it is then I guess I'm not the audience?

Non-linearity and world persistency are key aspects of MV games and fans tend to prefer a non-linear experience over a linear one, at least judging by the MV subreddit and various popular YT vids as well as feedback from people I've shown the site to. So why would you not want to know this?
So, you're saying it's important to quantify the degree of non-linearity, and there's no better way of doing this than to write out the path through the game in detail?

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As the front page says this is for quick reference and not a full text review or description of each game.
In that case, it's exceptionally difficult to pick out key points of reference from these dense blocks of text – especially if people are supposed to deliberately avoid the parentheticals. (I'm also looking at Aquaria – I have much fondness for that game – and I am baffled.) It might be appropriate to arrange everything in a database table of some sort.
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2021, 04:01:59 am »
I'm not sure what your problem is, I told you there is an audience.

So, you're saying it's important to quantify the degree of non-linearity, and there's no better way of doing this than to write out the path through the game in detail?

What do you think is a better way? You have a general statement about the structure in "partially non-linear", then the details follow. You're still not making any suggestions, just trying to put down my work it sounds like.

I already am making a spreadsheet as well, which I mention and link to on the front page and useful links page.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nA12FiqLUe1xoRyjXhaQYOMGpzylhejqsFek148-BGs/edit?usp=sharing

I could make the line spacing on the site a bit wider maybe?

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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2021, 11:56:36 am »
I'm not sure what your problem is, I told you there is an audience.
And I feel like I'm making clear points and reasonable suggestions. So I guess we have to agree to disagree. :huh:

Certainly there is much enthusiasm for "platform adventure games" and people interested in finding more of the same will be drawn to means of finding more of them that they are unfamiliar with.

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What do you think is a better way? You have a general statement about the structure in "partially non-linear", then the details follow.
The general statement is getting utterly lost in the details, and the details seem hugely unnecessary.  It seems to me like they are only useful if someone has played the game and wants to know after the fact why you decided to classify it as "Partially non-linear" – but who would do that?  Who, exactly, with the provided context, needs to know "can explore part of the southeastern lava area before beating the second boss but need large block carrying to clear it"?  This is not a complaint; this is a genuine question.

Maybe the details could be in some sort of collapsible tree structure?
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2021, 01:10:39 pm »
This is the first post you've made any actual suggestions that are reasonable though, before it was just vague whining and two seemingly based on complete ignorance of the genre we're talking about and/or not checking the main pages before commenthing.

Re: Tree structure: Maybe, and I've had the same thought regarding that among a few other things for the layout, but they're not possible to do with the weebly tool.
I really don't see how it gets lost when the details are in parenthesis, sorry. A few ways of generally expressing the amount of non-linearity should be enough for most people and then they can read the details if it's not like I said.

Since you're the only one to complain about having a lot of optional info for some points in parenthesis, in 2+ years, I'm gonna disregard it.
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2021, 04:56:10 pm »
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2021, 12:17:50 pm »
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2021, 10:26:03 pm »
Do you know of any platformer game makers, or very easy to use engines for making them? I saw something called Platformer Maker or suchlike a few weeks ago but I lost the link. I think it started as an open source clone of Mario Maker or something.

I've been wanting to implement a few ideas I have that are beyond my romhacking skills.

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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2021, 02:06:37 am »
Do you know of any platformer game makers, or very easy to use engines for making them?
I expect that depends on exactly what you want to do and how much you want to program, or not program. I see MonoGame is popular, and I think Clickteam Fusion is still useful.
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« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2021, 04:32:13 pm »
I expect that depends on exactly what you want to do and how much you want to program, or not program. I see MonoGame is popular, and I think Clickteam Fusion is still useful.
I was hoping someone would know what I forgot, I guess not. I'll probably use Solarus instead.

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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2021, 08:21:02 pm »
I didn't know Solarus could make platformers.

A search for "mario maker clone pc" (no quotes) turns up this Reddit post with numerous selections. Mario Builder, maybe?

I don't know if you tried Googling for platformer maker, but maybe you saw PlataGO! ?
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2021, 05:22:26 am »
Do you know of any platformer game makers, or very easy to use engines for making them? I saw something called Platformer Maker or suchlike a few weeks ago but I lost the link. I think it started as an open source clone of Mario Maker or something.

I've been wanting to implement a few ideas I have that are beyond my romhacking skills.

Why are you asking in this thread?
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2021, 03:00:53 pm »
Why are you asking in this thread?
Because if anyone would know, it's most likely the guy who spends his free time categorizing obscure video games older than half the userbase of this site.

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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2021, 06:45:26 pm »
As if this isn't a community largely focused on translating and hacking NES games. :huh:

Even if that wasn't the case the question still wouldn't make sense to ask to me since my site has nothing to do with making games.
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2021, 11:06:12 pm »
As if this isn't a community largely focused on translating and hacking NES games. :huh:

Even if that wasn't the case the question still wouldn't make sense to ask to me since my site has nothing to do with making games.
Aaaaaanyways I'll just make a thread about remake/maker game engines. Good luck with your endeavors.

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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2021, 12:08:50 pm »
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2021, 02:29:35 pm »
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2021, 03:56:36 am »
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2021, 10:55:05 am »
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« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2021, 08:07:50 pm »
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Re: Quick Reference Guide to Retro Metroidvania/Platform Adventure Games
« Reply #59 on: May 10, 2021, 08:45:44 am »
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