Zelda 1 Redux / The Legend of Zelda Redux

[Thirteen 1355]

thirteen.... you are the biggest whiner and you stink at video games. Every Zelda game starts you with 3 hearts after you die. Hearts drop randomly from enemies everywhere and sometimes even fairies. The game is fairly generous with that. Just delete the rom from your hard drive.

Hmm, maybe you're correct about the first, but the second? I don't know, I've played every Zelda game other than the first and I've never had issues with this in the other games. I already deleted the rom because this game's still just as bad as it's always been. Please let's not make it too much about me, though. That's way too off-topic.

I do hugely appreciate the effort that went into this hack. It just doesn't fix the biggest and most impactful thing that made the game hard to play.

[Midnight Metronome]

Hmm, maybe you're correct about the first, but the second? I don't know, I've played every Zelda game other than the first and I've never had issues with this in the other games. I already deleted the rom because this game's still just as bad as it's always been. Please let's not make it too much about me, though. That's way too off-topic.

I do hugely appreciate the effort that went into this hack. It just doesn't fix the biggest and most impactful thing that made the game hard to play.

Notice how nobody has a problem with it but you? Good that you deleted the rom now delete your worthless review.

[kalita-kan]

Q: So if someone invented 2 patches

1) Let's you name Zelda and start 1st quest
2) Refills all hearts on death (overworld, dungeon)

You'd be willing to give this game another try?

[The3Dude]

I personally feel that if starting with 3 hearts after dying in a dungeon is too much to handle, maybe you aren't cut out for the game. The target audience for the first Zelda 1 was people looking for a treacherous adventure, no linearity, no handholding, e.g the opposite of Mario bros. Yes, the original game was slightly cryptic, but the old people you find in-game always give you enough hints to push forward. Now that I recall, Miyamoto himself actually meant for Zelda 1 to be the opposite of Super Mario Bros! In Super Mario Bros, you already know what to do. There is only one goal, that goal is to move the screen forward and beat the level. In Zelda 1 the "Levels" are long mazes with dead ends, hints, and difficult enemies. If you are looking for a lightweight, "casual" easy mode game, a game that gives you full health after death, no challenge, then Zelda 1 is not the game for you. So please, spare ShadowOne333 the bad reviews. He's been working tirelessly on this hack since 2019, and still, people say he hasn't done enough. I myself have made 3 full Zelda 1 hacks that change the entire game, and I can confidently and humbly say that ShadowOne333 is the more experienced hacker when it comes to the code aspects. I truly admire his work, and I feel that constructive criticism should've been used in this forum, rather than a near-permanent scar of a bad review placed on his work. Please reconsider. 

[Thirteen 1355]

Notice how nobody has a problem with it but you? Good that you deleted the rom now delete your worthless review.

Hahaha, nobody out of the six people on this forum thread, you mean.

I personally feel that if starting with 3 hearts after dying in a dungeon is too much to handle, maybe you aren't cut out for the game. The target audience for the first Zelda 1 was people looking for a treacherous adventure, no linearity, no handholding, e.g the opposite of Mario bros. Yes, the original game was slightly cryptic, but the old people you find in-game always give you enough hints to push forward. Now that I recall, Miyamoto himself actually meant for Zelda 1 to be the opposite of Super Mario Bros! In Super Mario Bros, you already know what to do. There is only one goal, that goal is to move the screen forward and beat the level. In Zelda 1 the "Levels" are long mazes with dead ends, hints, and difficult enemies. If you are looking for a lightweight, "casual" easy mode game, a game that gives you full health after death, no challenge, then Zelda 1 is not the game for you. So please, spare ShadowOne333 the bad reviews. He's been working tirelessly on this hack since 2019, and still, people say he hasn't done enough. I myself have made 3 full Zelda 1 hacks that change the entire game, and I can confidently and humbly say that ShadowOne333 is the more experienced hacker when it comes to the code aspects. I truly admire his work, and I feel that constructive criticism should've been used in this forum, rather than a near-permanent scar of a bad review placed on his work. Please reconsider. 

I very much appreciate the huge amount of text you dedicated to me and my review, but handholding and the amount of health are two totally different things. Besides, I think it's a little pointless to associate my review with the level of ShadowOne's knowledge on coding. ShadowOne is quite great at coding, and has made some really nice hacks, of which I've played and enjoyed a lot. Nothing of that is relevant to how this hack does not fix the issue that I consider keeping this game very inaccessible to people who have played other Zelda games and would love to try out what this game has to offer. I haven't got anything against ShadowOne or his skills or the tremendous effort he put into getting this hack out. Suggesting that is disingenuous to his efforts, as if my review about the hack damages his skills or his motivation. It merely is what it is, a review that says "this hack doesn't fix the biggest issue, and therefore I still don't consider it worth playing, no matter the effort."

That's the end of it I think 

[Special]

Just "fix" the game yourself.

[Thirteen 1355]

Enjoying Elden Ring way too much for that at the moment, but I might try someday.

[ShadowOne333]

Hot damn what happened here. I should really get online more often lol

All in all, guys, I think everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Sure the review itself might still tackle something outside the hack itself, regarding to the original which has been kept ever since in every Zelda, but if he finds that particular thing to still keep him from enjoying the game, that's okay.

There's no pleasing everybody at the end of the day, but that's fine
Now let's not derail the thread too much into a meme war (for as funny as it can be ).
Let's keep this drama-free.

[kalita-kan]

https://github.com/kalita-kan-files/kalita-kan-files/raw/e38908848f4c88cd0a958de08dc7fbe5cc99be9b/zelda_normal_name_rev0.ips

This lets you name ZELDA(---) without triggering the secret.



https://github.com/kalita-kan-files/kalita-kan-files/raw/e38908848f4c88cd0a958de08dc7fbe5cc99be9b/died_refill_life_rev0.ips

And this refills your hearts when you die. Free Red Potion.

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// Full hearts
>05:8B6D: AD 6F 06  LDA $066F = #$F0
05:8B70: 29 F0     AND #$F0
05:8B72: 09 02     ORA #$02
05:8B74: 8D 6F 06  STA $066F = #$F0

// Partial Hearts
05:8B77: A9 FF     LDA #$FF
05:8B79: 8D 70 06  STA $0670 = #$00


===>


ROM $14B87
>05:8B77: A9 01     LDA #$01
05:8B79: 85 63     STA $63 = #$00
05:8B7B: EA        NOP

// RefillHearts = 1


I didn't cover refilling hearts on main menu - load game.

---------------------------------------------

Snippets from review:

"A lot of great quality of life features were added, each of them improving the gameplay bit by bit."

"A great effort, but doesn't fix the biggest issue".


"However, the biggest issue of Zelda 1 and the reason I hate it with a passion is the fact that when you die, you start with only 3 hearts, no matter how many Heart Containers you obtained throughout the game. "

"This made me realise this hack just doesn't do enough to make this game accessible to people who can play every other Zelda in the series, but can't get through this."

"I didn't like the original for its obtuse outdated stuff"


Honestly to me, it sounds fair and not harsh or over-reaction. More of a .. don't waste my time with something I don't care about (life grinding).
March 05, 2022, 09:56:10 PM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Actually, it's buggy
- Save and quit. Load another game = refills all hearts.
- Save and quit. Exit game. Reload game. 2 hearts.

But if you die and "Save and continue", you're fine. Or "retry".

So patch needs work.

[Midnight Metronome]

I wouldn't even bother trying to cater to that noob. I doubt anyone since 2019 has had that issue, ya little more than 6 people. How is he a hero member and doesn't understand how to play zelda 1?

[Special]

Is he has issues with the hearts in Zelda 1, then I'd hate to see the scathing review he leaves for Elden Ring.

[Midnight Metronome]

Is he has issues with the hearts in Zelda 1, then I'd hate to see the scathing review he leaves for Elden Ring.

lol

[MattKimura]

This hack is more for people who are familiar with Zelda 1 and would like a polished version with some quality of life features. It was never meant to change the difficulty and make the game easy for newcomers or to make it more in line with the later games in the series in terms of difficulty. If this were a difficulty hack, it would lessen damage from enemies and make every enemy drop hearts. Expecting this hack to create an easier difficulty is out of the scope of this hack and is an error on the users part. So to leave a negative review is fine, but coming in with the wrong expectation is kind've a waste in my opinion. Every now and then someone with the wrong expectations will leave a negative review, it happens. All you can do is let it be and move on. Even people reading such reviews will know that it's not a review to be taken serious, especially considering the overwhelming amount of positives in other reviews. So honestly there's nothing lost here unless the entire community were to leave negatives after negatives. This stuff happens everywhere, even on amazon reviews.

This hack is hands down better than the original game. One either appreciates Zelda 1, or completely dislikes it. Like I said, it's more for players who are familiar with Zelda 1. Newcomers would have a hard time liking Zelda 1 if trying it these days, especially if all they're used to playing is modern games. Personally I don't find Zelda 1 to be that hard, you just can't lose patience with the game. I don't play a lot of modern games so a game like Zelda 1 is up my alley. But everyone has their own preferences.

[The3Dude]

This hack is more for people who are familiar with Zelda 1 and would like a polished version with some quality of life features. It was never meant to change the difficulty and make the game easy for newcomers or to make it more in line with the later games in the series in terms of difficulty. If this were a difficulty hack, it would lessen damage from enemies and make every enemy drop hearts.

AGREED.

Expecting this hack to create an easier difficulty is out of the scope of this hack and is an error on the users part.

Couldn't have said it better.

I just get disappointed in these types of reviews, because I know how it feels for someone outside of the intended target audience to leave a "No" recommendation myself.

It's comparable to talking down on a random game labeled "extremely difficult", and your reason for talking down on it is that you wanted a game that was easy, while knowing beforehand that it was going to be hard.

I also agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so all I can do is express my own in hopes others agree.

[Thirteen 1355]

Is he has issues with the hearts in Zelda 1, then I'd hate to see the scathing review he leaves for Elden Ring.

Last time I checked, Elden Ring doesn't start you with a fraction of your health when you die. It's an awesome game and a lot more accessible than this. It does require a lot of patience, though, something some people here seem to lack.

Now please people, stop insulting me over video games.

[ShadowOne333]

https://github.com/kalita-kan-files/kalita-kan-files/raw/e38908848f4c88cd0a958de08dc7fbe5cc99be9b/zelda_normal_name_rev0.ips

This lets you name ZELDA(---) without triggering the secret.
https://github.com/kalita-kan-files/kalita-kan-files/raw/e38908848f4c88cd0a958de08dc7fbe5cc99be9b/died_refill_life_rev0.ips

And this refills your hearts when you die. Free Red Potion.

Code Select Expand


// Full hearts
>05:8B6D: AD 6F 06  LDA $066F = #$F0
05:8B70: 29 F0     AND #$F0
05:8B72: 09 02     ORA #$02
05:8B74: 8D 6F 06  STA $066F = #$F0

// Partial Hearts
05:8B77: A9 FF     LDA #$FF
05:8B79: 8D 70 06  STA $0670 = #$00


===>


ROM $14B87
>05:8B77: A9 01     LDA #$01
05:8B79: 85 63     STA $63 = #$00
05:8B7B: EA        NOP

// RefillHearts = 1


I didn't cover refilling hearts on main menu - load game.

---------------------------------------------

Snippets from review:

"A lot of great quality of life features were added, each of them improving the gameplay bit by bit."

"A great effort, but doesn't fix the biggest issue".


"However, the biggest issue of Zelda 1 and the reason I hate it with a passion is the fact that when you die, you start with only 3 hearts, no matter how many Heart Containers you obtained throughout the game. "

"This made me realise this hack just doesn't do enough to make this game accessible to people who can play every other Zelda in the series, but can't get through this."

"I didn't like the original for its obtuse outdated stuff"


Honestly to me, it sounds fair and not harsh or over-reaction. More of a .. don't waste my time with something I don't care about (life grinding).
March 05, 2022, 09:56:10 PM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Actually, it's buggy
- Save and quit. Load another game = refills all hearts.
- Save and quit. Exit game. Reload game. 2 hearts.

But if you die and "Save and continue", you're fine. Or "retry".

So patch needs work.

Oh wow, I wasn't expecting someone to drop by and share patches to address not only the ZELDA name loading Quest 2, but also for starting with Full Heats, that's awesome! I don't I'll be personally be using them, but it's always nice for people who play the hacks to have options.

Would you mind if I consider these for optional patches for Redux?
With full credit to you of course.

[kalita-kan]

Zelda patch = yes - Go ahead!
(something I would use)


Game Over + New Game Refill hearts = buggy. You'll get complaints in its current state. If I fix it up, of course you can!

[Thirteen 1355]

That'd be awesome to have! I'll be sure to change the review once that's included (into a positive one)!

[Special]

Unfortunately there's now too many optional patches, so much added complexity for people who just want to play Zelda! I'll need to write my own negative review.

[Midnight Metronome]

Unfortunately there's now too many optional patches, so much added complexity for people who just want to play Zelda! I'll need to write my own negative review.

lol. Good one.