The PS1 Classic

[Spooniest]

This entire release reeks of Sony basically cashing in on the PSX's image and reputation, and banking on the masses of uneducated casual gamers they created not knowing enough about console/emulation quality to care that they basically threw this together like Frankenstein's Monster and catapulted it out the door.

Nintendo showed a lot more care on their Classic Mini releases. Sony just don't got time for none of that.

[POWCo-op]

This entire release reeks of Sony basically cashing in on the PSX's image and reputation, and banking on the masses of uneducated casual gamers they created not knowing enough about console/emulation quality to care that they basically threw this together like Frankenstein's Monster and catapulted it out the door.

Nintendo showed a lot more care on their Classic Mini releases. Sony just don't got time for none of that.

Well, I don't know. The SNES classic was chock full of greats. The NES classic had many iffy titles, which is a shame, because NES is my favorite Nintendo console. They had an opportunity to put games like Earthbound Beginnings on it, but they didn't. They could have done something really cool with some games. The Nintendo classics also have that strange control port, so you can't plug in a usb controller.

[Jorpho]

This entire release reeks of Sony basically cashing in on the PSX's image and reputation, and banking on the masses of uneducated casual gamers they created not knowing enough about console/emulation quality to care that they basically threw this together like Frankenstein's Monster and catapulted it out the door.

Is anyone saying anything about the emulation quality, aside from this PAL issue?  I doubt there would be many complaints at all if it simply didn't have such a questionable selection of games.

But let's face it: even if there was a decent selection of games, 95% of these units would spend 95% of their time sitting around collecting dust.

[Eggplantus]

Well, I don't know. The SNES classic was chock full of greats. The NES classic had many iffy titles, which is a shame, because NES is my favorite Nintendo console. They had an opportunity to put games like Earthbound Beginnings on it, but they didn't. They could have done something really cool with some games. The Nintendo classics also have that strange control port, so you can't plug in a usb controller.

And even the SNES Classic could considered iffy due to lack of Chrono Trigger.

[KingMike]

I think SNES Classic is a pretty decent selection of games.
I think it's just that so many people get angry because THEIR one favorite game didn't get picked.

[Starscream]

Is anyone saying anything about the emulation quality, aside from this PAL issue?  I doubt there would be many complaints at all if it simply didn't have such a questionable selection of games.

Eurogamer mentioned that NTSC is also affected:
"Remarkably, even the NTSC games have issues. You can see that with the performance snapshot of R4 Ridge Racer Type 4 embedded below. Original hardware runs this title locked at 30fps with perfect frame-pacing - a new frame is delivered every two screen refreshes without fail. Running under emulation on the PlayStation Classic, not only are frames delivered with 'blips' adding some stutter, but there also appear to be performance dips too - which do not occur in the game running on original hardware. So even if Sony had delivered a full NTSC line-up, we'd still have problems with this product falling short of the quality delivered by the actual PlayStation"

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-playstation-classic-emulation-first-look

[Jorpho]

I see.  So is this a problem of underpowered hardware, a bug in PCSX Rearmed, or simply a setting somewhere that someone forgot to toggle?

[mz]

underpowered hardware

It has to be this. I think I used to play some PAL versions of PS2 games when my computer at the time could only reach ~50 FPS in them...

[Chronosplit]

EDIT: Whoops, already posted.

[NERV Agent]

I think it's just that so many people get angry because THEIR one favorite game didn't get picked.

Yeah, that's the impression I get, too.

But what's up with Sony giving Japan Parasite Eve (which sold well in the US), but then giving us fucking Destruction Derby, and an FPS game with no dual analog controls?

This, coupled with the separate issue of Sony recently censoring US versions of games because SJW politics, I'm convinced this company hates their US fan base.

I use to fancy my self a Sony fan, but fuck this. I'm boycotting Sony.

Oh, btw, you can a free PSX Classic right now! It's called RetroArch!

[mz]

But what's up with Sony giving Japan Parasite Eve (which sold well in the US), but then giving us fucking Destruction Derby, and an FPS game with no dual analog controls?

I know everyone here is a JRPG nerd, but I personally like Destruction Derby a LOT more than Parasite Eve (PE2 is a little more playable, at least). In fact, right now I can't think of any game that it's so bad that I'd prefer to just tap a single button millions of times while waiting for animations and loading screens to end every time I take a single step anywhere.

In any case, when you make a list there always will be morons complaining about why you don't share their tastes. I can think of dozens or hundreds of PSX games that I prefer before those listed by Sony, but I can understand that other people might like different things, so I consider a complete waste of time/energy/intelligence to complain about their picks (nor would I ever buy a shitty computer locked to a single subpar open-source emulator with only 20 games picked by other people).

[NERV Agent]

https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/465753-report-playstation-classic-has-36-hidden-games-sony-hasnt-enabled

So...how long will it take for hackers to actually make them playable?

[SleepyFist]

My first impression was that it was just an internal list referencing removed games, but people are saying that they're actually on there, so we'll see. It's really interesting that they tossed this trainwreck out in this state,there's plenty of games on that list that could have sold gangbusters if they were included by default.

[Psyklax]

I know everyone here is a JRPG nerd

Not everyone...

So here's my take on this thing.
"Game selection isn't so good": well like mz said, you'll never please everyone.
"The menu and options aren't very good": well, it's a mass market product, so as long as the games just work okay, then I don't think there's a big issue (I'm just glad I don't need to worry about plugins).
"The emulator is an open source one rather than in house": well, if the open source one is better then why not?
"Half the games are PAL": WHAT?! Are you fucking serious?!! How the hell could you screw up this badly? What logical reason can you have for using PAL games on a US system? Incompetence? Laziness? Mama mia, what a cock up.

Seriously, I could forgive those other quibbles (not that I was going to buy one anyway) but the fact they use a mix of PAL and NTSC games for no logical reason whatsoever is simply ludicrous.

[nesrocks]

The worst offender is that the emulation is the worst the system has ever seen. No emulator ever released did a worse job than what it does, which is quite offensive. They did worse than what AT games does with Sega.

[Gemini]

They did worse than what AT games does with Sega.

I doubt that. AT games did bare bone Chinese knock-off emulation (i.e. currently the worst classic console, de facto), while the PS1 Classic seems to be at least decent while it's not stellar.

[nesrocks]

That's not what I've been reading. This is just one of the sources, but it's a good example: https://www.destructoid.com/review-playstation-classic-532740.phtml

[Chronosplit]

Apparently with something as simple as plugging in the right keyboard, you can also turn on the emulator's settings which include the normal stuff like scanlines (so why aren't they there in the first place?)

Since there's talk about wanting to hack in the rest of the games, there's a lot of info about what works and what doesn't on a Raspberry Pi on the 'net.  I'm pretty sure it's going to be mostly on the spot for the PS1 Classic, given the specs (though there were reports of slowdown in MGS on a Pi).

[thepatrickinator]

I'd suggest you save the accessories from the Playstation Classic, if you buy one, to either be used on the NES/SNES Classic. That way, we can take back from what we lost with Sony.

[Jorpho]

The worst offender is that the emulation is the worst the system has ever seen. No emulator ever released did a worse job than what it does, which is quite offensive.

How can you say that when it's exactly the same open-source emulator that everyone has seen?

Even if you want to limit yourself to commercially-released stuff, Bleem sets a pretty low bar.