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treos

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again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« on: November 28, 2017, 03:59:02 pm »
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3754/

yep...another pointless MSU-1 BGM remix pack romhack...

the "music pack" for this game is 166.65MB in size and the rom hack is only usable with 1 emulator (bsnes).

and i bet all of the tracks in said music pack are nothing but a bunch of remixes you gathered from across the internet. nothing "CD Quality"

why not just spare yourself the effort needed for such pointless hacks by posting these "music packs" in a forum thread when the hacks aren't even needed at all? just stick the music files in a media player and have the audio from the emulator you're using muted. pretty much the same results.

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2017, 04:02:01 pm »
Over react much?

And please get your facts straight before assuming

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2017, 04:35:37 pm »
You do realize that mainstream Snes9x support MSU-1 now, right?
Also, MSU-1 is possible in real hardware as well, even with repro carts IIRC.

MSU-1 hacks are an incredible feat, I wish I knew how or where to start since I've been wanting to do one for EarthBound, I already have a full PCM pack ready to just shove in there, but the ASM code is missing.

All in all, MSU-1 is now becoming more accepted with more emulators supporting it as we advance, Snes9x being a prime example so we can get rid of the task-consuming bsnes to enjoy such a thing.

Also, latest versions of Snes9x through RetroArch also support MSU-1 as well, so that's yet another way to go for it, simply naming the tracks and everything with the same name as the base ROM and you are set.

With MSU-1 we can have PSX quality games in the inferior hardware, just look at qwertymodo's Chrono Trigger MSU-1 hack, he managed to even get the FMVs working for that game in the SNES.

You really seem to not take into consideration the amount of technical work that happens in behind the scenes for these and many other technical hacks which the casual player doesn't even care about, only hackers, like the mapper hacks for NES games.

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2017, 04:42:42 pm »
when i say most or all of the music used for these MSU-1 romhacks are remix tracks, i'm not assuming anything.

just look through the credits sections of each romhack. reorchetration after...that's not even a real word. it is quite literally nothing but a gathering of remixed tracks for each game.

except maybe that rock'n'roll racing game. i'm not sure about that one since it seems to require the user to jump through extra hoops by having them setup and sort out the music themselves.

also, the music pack for Mega Man X has been taken down.

"The file you requested has been removed from MediaFire for a violation of our Terms of Service."

and the chrono trigger romhack's readme actually tells you to "Buy Chrono Symphony album in FLAC format (http://www.thechronosymphony.com/)." (is that even allowed here?)

who in their right mind would do that just for a romhack?

sorry but i really don't think i'm overreacting when i say virtually any media player would be a far better alternative to these romhacks and the amount of work they require to setup in comparison.

edit: i'll just stick to using VLC media player with the audio in whatever emulator i'm using muted. less time and effort required for pretty much the same results.

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2017, 04:58:58 pm »
Are you aware that you are not forced to download JUST the packs that are offered with the hacks?
You can make your own tracks, it's not a hard thing to achieve.
I managed to do like 40 tracks in two days with no issue whatsoever.

You are not forced to buy or download any music track in particular, you can just get whatever track you want for a particular song, convert it to the proper format, and that's it.

You are not contracted to a specific PCM pack nor OST, which is one of the greatest perks of MSU-1 hacks.

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2017, 05:31:25 pm »
MSU-1 is like any sound expansion hardware. Not really its fault if people are misusing it to insert songs worse than the original game, or as an excuse for piracy.

I'd recommend researching music packs to find out which games have good ones.

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 05:50:47 pm »
First the guy complaining about Spanish translations and now this...

Why don't you just let people do whatever they want? It's not like it affects your life in any meaningful way.

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2017, 05:52:01 pm »
I'm ok with the hacks, but destructoid needs to stop making an article for every single MSU-1 hack released. When they do this I feel like they assume:
- the game just got better (this is subjective)
- MSU-1 automatically means the music got improved in quality, when it only means it was changed to other music selected by the hack author and he can choose whatever he wants. These types of hacks are a lot like hd texture packs, in the fact that it is not an improvement unless it is artistically better (subjective).
- only one MSU-1 hack is "possible" for each game, so the collection of MSU-1 enabled games needs to be completed somehow.

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2017, 07:55:56 pm »
I don't really care about MSU-1 either but that doesn't give me the right to go crap on people who do, you know?

treos

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2017, 03:06:53 am »
- MSU-1 automatically means the music got improved in quality, when it only means it was changed to other music selected by the hack author and he can choose whatever he wants. These types of hacks are a lot like hd texture packs, in the fact that it is not an improvement unless it is artistically better (subjective).

there's an idea... maybe there should be a category similar to texture/resource packs for romhacks. since, as you pointed out, these MSU-1 hacks are little more than the audio equivalent of a texture pack in minecraft.

except, unlike minecraft texture and resource packs there's more hoops to jump through to get these to work correctly. and...

All in all, MSU-1 is now becoming more accepted with more emulators supporting it as we advance, Snes9x being a prime example so we can get rid of the task-consuming bsnes to enjoy such a thing.

i could really care less about this since, as i pointed out before, the end result could still be achieved by simply using a media player. well, maybe not if your emulating on something that doesn't have or can't use a media player but if that's the case then whatever you're using better have a large hard drive to hold these bloated audio files.

this is especially true since, as nesrocks pointed out, the resulting audio quality isn't necessarily better as it depends on the tracks used. so the end result is entirely subjective at best.

going through the trouble of converting all these audio files to some obscure format hardly any media player can even play, let alone recognize, just to change the BGM in a video game... this just seems like a complete waste of time no matter how i look at it.

*starts up Gunstar Heroes in Kega Fusion with the audio muted and loads the "Be Aggressive! - A Gunstar Heroes Tribute Album" album in VLC Media Player*

there, same end result with little to no effort and other steps needed. takes 5, maybe 10 seconds to do.

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2017, 03:21:15 am »
You still haven't answered why you have the right to start this condescending thread. Let people do what they like themselves - not what you like.

Also your VLC comparison is invalid. Or do you always switch to the appropriate track for your current level/village/boss fight/whatever manually(!) ?

Also you are still neglecting the sd2snes users who happily listen to MSU-1 music on the original hardware...

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2017, 08:44:48 am »
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3754/

yep...another pointless MSU-1 BGM remix pack romhack...

the "music pack" for this game is 166.65MB in size and the rom hack is only usable with 1 emulator (bsnes).

and i bet all of the tracks in said music pack are nothing but a bunch of remixes you gathered from across the internet. nothing "CD Quality"

why not just spare yourself the effort needed for such pointless hacks by posting these "music packs" in a forum thread when the hacks aren't even needed at all? just stick the music files in a media player and have the audio from the emulator you're using muted. pretty much the same results.
I haven't tested this one yet, but I agree with you, those hacks are disapointing. Instead of putting effort in increasing the music quality, they just use random remixes from the net, which leads to a non-consistant quality with the game. Check my review for Secret of Mana MUS-1 for more information about what I think.

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Re: again with this MSU-1 stuff?
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2017, 01:32:38 pm »
If you want to critique hacks the best place to do so is in reviews.