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vergil2012

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[PSX] Trying to undub Tales of Eternia
« on: November 05, 2017, 03:06:54 pm »
Edit:

Mugi released an undub patch for Valkyrie Profile for the PS1. Big thanks to him!

You can find the patch file here:

https://blacklabel-translations.com/undubs

Initial post:

Hello people,

first things first: Im a totally noob regarding this, but i would like to try to undub Tales of Eternia for the PS1. Since nobody seems to work on this instead requesting it in hope that someone will do it, i thought to try it out myself. Its very likely that i will not succeed, but at least i can say that i tried it.

Second, english is not my first langauge, so i apologize now for any mistakes and troubles you all will face by reading my post.

Third: Im not asking for a detailed step by step guide, but i would really appreciate if you can assist me, since i dont have any knowledge about hacking at all.

Maybe someone can post important links (so that i can read it all by myself), or tell me where to start at all or maybe give me information about what needs to be known when someone is trying to undub a game (especially a PS1 game), that would be great.

Im aware that it will be not just replacing the english audio files with the japanese ones and the project is done. Its a huge project (at least for me) and i dont really know where to start, which tools i need, which information are relevant and so on.

Please bear with me that im a totally noob (as mentioned above) so i could ask ''dumb'' (maybe to you) questions.

Thanks for any help.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2018, 08:30:38 am by vergil2012 »
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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 07:59:12 pm »
I got something to say about these undub projects. I don't want to sound irritated about it, but what is with the sudden hate for the english dubs in these old games nowadays? Not even Xenogears warranted a undub version.

I just find it ridiculous.

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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 08:44:40 pm »
@Kallisto: The demand for good voice acting has increased. Simple. This isn't the 90's anymore. While there are people who are turned off by undubs, there are people who are turned off by bad voice acting. And there's also people who simply dislike anything American.

I don't think VP's English voice acting is bad overall, but I sure find the original voices to be better.

Lezard Valeth voice comparison:
English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3HRFT3kv9Q&t=4m45s

Japanese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPLRGm1cM8M&t=0m4s
« Last Edit: November 07, 2017, 09:07:37 pm by Almagest »
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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2017, 01:50:07 am »
Not an expert, but I believe your first task is finding a way to extract and re-insert the audio files from the ISO (assuming you can even locate the audio portions of the soundtrack).

Ideally, you could just extract the audio from both versions, and insert the audio from the japanese version into the english version, and you'd be done. But as I understand it, things are rarely that simple.

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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2017, 10:46:05 am »
I got something to say about these undub projects. I don't want to sound irritated about it, but what is with the sudden hate for the english dubs in these old games nowadays? Not even Xenogears warranted a undub version.

I just find it ridiculous.
I can see why with Eternia at least, because the other PS1 tales games are undubbed.  From the one's I've seen there are notable undubs for different reasons:

1. In Wild Arms 2 they just nixed the audio outright overseas, so it's more of a restoration project.
2. Star Ocean 2 was bad in the voice department, to me it was a cluster of wut whenever you had a battle with a lot of people.  But undubbed actually isn't that much better IMO, because the main problem with it is how the voices are done in battle.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2018, 03:23:04 pm by Chronosplit »

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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2017, 10:46:53 am »
I was googling hacking tools for this game after reading this thread and a text-only Brazilian-Portuguese fan-translation for VP1 that was released last year came up in the search results. This should already let you relax a bit because that means people have already managed to manipulate VP1's resources, which are all stored into one big compressed file.

Links:
(in Portuguese) https://www.neofighters.info/forum/showthread.php?18763-Valkyrie-Profile-%28PS1%29-Lan%C3%A7ada-a-Tradu%C3%A7%C3%A3o-em-PT-BR

A forum post: https://www.romhack.org/viewtopic.php?t=3222

Some tools by one of the posters in the link above (in French): https://www.romhack.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3812
This one's interesting because it talks about having Japanese voices in the game.

Decompression tools available right here on RHDN: http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/819/

RHDN post: http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=15183.0

Plus this guy's blog post about VP1's encryption (in English): https://blog.grumpycoder.net/index.php/post/2009/08/28/Valkyrie-Profile-or-how-to-fail-encryption


I'd say don't be a stranger and contact the fan-translators and tool makers right away so you can get your undub project started.




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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2017, 11:23:25 am »
Thanks for the answers. Im in the middle of reading some stuff right now. I will see what i can do.

@Kallisto:

I dont hate these undubs, but i prefer just the japanese ones. But not in all games the voice acting is inferior than the japanese one.

For example: I like the voice acting done in Metal Gear, Star Ocean 2 (maybe nostalgia is speaking here, but i like it) and also Valkyrie Profile, just to name some for the PS1. So these are done really good. But i find the japanese voices in Valkyrie Profile better though and thats why i would like to have an undub.

But with Tales of Eternia, the english ones are just bad. Especially when it comes to combat! The english voice acting is so emotionless and i find the battles in an RPG the most important thing, especially if the developers are providing voice acting.

Sorry for my english.
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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2017, 05:35:12 pm »
if you simply wish to play valkyrie profile with the japanese voices i created an undub for the psp version of it.
some googling will propably turn that up quite easily.
In PSP we trust.

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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2017, 10:42:47 am »
I know we have undubs for both games for the PSP, but i prefer the PS1, so it would be great if there is an undub for both games for the PS1 as well.
Tales of Destiny II (PS1) undub ''request'':
https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=25215.0

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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2017, 07:47:19 pm »
Here is some more information on ripping audio from PSX games

If you are trying to rip music, sound effects, or movies from PS1 games I hope I can help you here.

First, music get PsxMC here: http://homepage2.nifty.com/~mkb/ It's best for getting music, sence you can change the freq. to 44.1k for the .wav files. (there is a password out there somewhere for the non-free version...but it was lost with my last how to thread). You can also try PSMplay (here: http://segu.psxemu.com/ ) , there are 2 versions of this program, both the old and new versions have +/-. Last is PSound here: http://snailrush.online.fr/ It scans through all sounds on the disc, meaning you can listen to sound efx's and sample's from PSF! You can't make PSF's with it, just listen to each individual instrument. You can also get these programs here: http://www.zophar.net/utilities/psxutil.html

If you get PSMplay working you should be able to rip the .str movies easily, thus I provide the STR decoder for TMPGEnc so you can convert them stright to an mpg movie like they were origenaly encoded, if you don't want to make .avi files. Put it in your TMPGEnc directory.

You could also just use EAC for getting redbook audio stright from the game (Like JetMoto or Wipeout games) . Also use Lame for converting your new wav's to mp3 =) (see moguta's faq).

http://www.zophar.net/utilities/psxutil/psxmc.html isn't in japanese. Google translate would have easily led you to "download", then to "http://homepage2.nifty.com/~mkb/PsxMC/download/PsxMC253.zip"

I hope this helps, want to see a Tales of Eternia Undub as well, I wish you good luck.

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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2018, 11:36:37 am »
Mugi, who released the original undub for the PSP version of Valkyrie Profile, did an undub for the PS1 version of Valkyrie Profile as well.

Big thanks to him. Much appreciated.

You can get the patch file here:

https://blacklabel-translations.com/undubs
« Last Edit: January 09, 2018, 01:32:01 pm by vergil2012 »
Tales of Destiny II (PS1) undub ''request'':
https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=25215.0

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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2018, 12:59:31 pm »
Wow, it really happened? :o Thank you so much guys, now there's a good reason for me to play this again!

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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2018, 01:14:05 pm »
now lets see how long it takes for people to start messaging me that it doesnt work as intended :P
i will just say this here even though i did mention it on the readme, but we all know that no one ever reads those.

this game is EXTREMELY sensitive to desynchronization and slowdowns.
i ran it with ePSXe and any slowdowns will instantly cause the audio to go completely nuts, same goes with running it from disk on real hardware.
(you may be able to get it to run if you find proper plugins and setttings, or just by using a better emulator, i didnt toy with it too much.)

the game is also as far as i see, not fully compatible with ps2. i burned no less than 7 copies of it, and each and every single disk had issues with some specific voiced lines on the story... same voices work completely fine using same disk on a ps1/psone console.

if you plan on burning this to a disk, do not even attempt to use a mediamarkt potato brand CD-R burned at 52x most likely the game doesnt even boot.
if it does, you will be seeing a lot of the nice little CD icon on the bottom right corner of the screen saying "RETRY"

i had to use my brand new psone (well, old but unused) and make a burn on a tayo yuden CD-R using an ancient plextor drive (legendary for making quality ps1 burns), and burn the game at 1x. the produced burn runs flawlessly.
Sans that, i never actually got it to properly work on ePSXe or my ps2 or my old ps1. (granted it's 24 years old so the laser is really bust.)

there is only so much i can do to improve the performance, the game is so large as is that removing the compression will propably make it not fit the disk anymore.

on that matter, the merged 1-disk version DOES fit on a single CD-R but may or may not fully work on real hardware. if you plan on using a console to play it, please use the normal 2-disk version.

heres a video of the thing running on epsxe; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5-eKBb9FLg
(badrach's voiced line at 8:40 is one of the audio clips that glitches out on ps2, if you run a disk on ps2, let me know if this happens for you too or if it's just my potato ps2 :P)
« Last Edit: January 09, 2018, 01:22:58 pm by Mugi »
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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2018, 01:20:46 pm »
Mugi, who released the original undub for the PSP version, did an undub for the PS1 version as well.

Big thanks to him. Much appreciated.

You can get the patch file here:

https://blacklabel-translations.com/undubs
I only see Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth, The 3rd Birthday, Crisis Core: FFVII, and Valkyrie Profile on that oage...? :huh:
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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2018, 01:35:19 pm »
I only see Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth, The 3rd Birthday, Crisis Core: FFVII, and Valkyrie Profile on that oage...? :huh:

I should have clarified it a little bit more on my initial post. I changed it now. Mugi released an undub patch for Valkyrie Profile (PS1).
Tales of Destiny II (PS1) undub ''request'':
https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=25215.0

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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Tales of Eternia
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2018, 12:40:13 pm »
Since i have some free time in the next days, i want to start with my ''undub project'' for Tales of Eternia (Tales of Destiny II in the US) for the PS1 actually.

Please bear in mind that i dont have any knowledge at all.

Can anyone tell me please what someone should do first if he wants to undub a PS1 game? Locate the sound files? If yes, how (im not asking that someone else should do this for me). Im talking about which tools/programs and so on do i need?

CD Mage? Or is there a better solution?

When i open my cue file with CD Mage this is what its showing to me:
https://imgur.com/a/6jZnB

I know if you right click to any files there is an option to extract the files.
So i did it with a ''E.XA'' file (when i open the ''XA'' folder). Check the imgur link.

And then? How do i know if the ''E.XA'' is the sound/voice files or one of the sound/voice files? How can i VERIFY this? With PSmplay, Jpsxdec, PSX Multi Converter etc.?

Im telling it again. I dont have any knowledge and im not sure if im on the right track, but im experimenting right now.

Thanks and sorry for my english.
Tales of Destiny II (PS1) undub ''request'':
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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Tales of Eternia
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2018, 10:19:45 am »
The XA files inside the XA folder contain all the voice lines indeed.
The problem is that every track inside each file has the entire dialog of a map/event without pauses and some other file has the offsets that need to be changed or all the voices end up out of sync.
I know because I successfully swapped the US XA files with the Japanese ones, but I have no clue of how to find the offsets let alone in which file are located.

Once someone find the offsets it should be fairly easy (but possibly time consuming) to replace every US offset with the JP ones and then tackle the videos and be done with everything (and maybe change the title screen?).

If you want to replicate what I did I used jPSXdec to listen and extract the full sector information of the XA tracks then extracted the bin/cue with Ultraiso, created a new bin/cue with PSx CD-Gen (using the incomplete XA track extracted with Ultraiso) and then restored the missing sector info of the XA tracks using HxD.

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Re: [PSX] Trying to undub Tales of Eternia
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2018, 05:45:33 am »
Thank you @Sakitoshi.

My first goal was to locate the voice and audio files and listen to the voice and watch the video files, thanks to you i did it. Sure, for most of you this might be an easy step, but for someone who never had to do with something like this its a small success.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2018, 05:52:46 am by vergil2012 »
Tales of Destiny II (PS1) undub ''request'':
https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=25215.0