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The hardest game you ever played.

Started by A.D.R.I.A.N, February 05, 2017, 10:11:38 PM

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Spooniest

Quote from: SunGodPortal on February 07, 2017, 04:42:46 AM
Yeah, screw Double Dragon III as well.

Really no excuse for the total lack of any challenge balance in that, after the improvements to the engine made by II over the first one.

Double Dragon 1 was the first NES cartridge I ever owned, bought for me by my mom when I was 9 (RIP Mom). I was thrilled. Me and my kid brother had played it in arcades for years, and I booted it up...oh. It's only one player. Hm.

So I kind of got used to being beaten like a red headed stepchild, there. I'm sure any number of youtube videos will demonstrate the idea to you; Double Dragon for NES just plain doesn't want to let you win, generally speaking. It is unbelievably unfair. It's not Ghosts and Goblins hard, but damn, GnG at least allows continues.
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SunGodPortal

Quote from: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 04:47:07 AMDouble Dragon 1 was the first NES cartridge I ever owned, bought for me by my mom when I was 9 (RIP Mom). I was thrilled. Me and my kid brother had played it in arcades for years, and I booted it up...oh. It's only one player. Hm.

I always wondered what was so "double" about a one player game. A more fitting title would have been Alternating Dragons. Or Double If You Play the VS Mode Dragon.
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Spooniest

Quote from: SunGodPortal on February 07, 2017, 04:58:57 AM
I always wondered what was so "double" about a one player game. A more fitting title would have been Alternating Dragons. Or Double If You Play the VS Mode Dragon.

In hindsight, many video game titles could have worked as extremely hardcore porn movie titles.

"Double Dragon"

"Bubble Bobble"

"Codename: Viper"

"Bionic Commando"

I could keep going... heh. But then, this thread's topic is the hardest games ever played.

You know, Lennus (aka Paladin's Quest) for SNES really doesn't let you get away with nothing. You either have the goods for where you are in the game or you don't. I don't recall that game being easy, for an RPG, at all.
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Bregalad

Quote from: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 04:33:04 AM
Really, it's telling that Mega Man 2 is a much more balanced game. It's not easy, but it's a walk in the park compared to the first game.
Mega Man 2 is super easy and basically beat itself for you. The jap version is a bit harder and the "hard mode" of the western version is somewhat hard, though.

QuoteI always wondered what was so "double" about a one player game. A more fitting title would have been Alternating Dragons. Or Double If You Play the VS Mode Dragon.
It would be awesome if a game was titled "alternating dragons". I am not 100% sure but I suspect they wanted to have 2 player mode but couldn't due to time restrictions for development.

The worst part about Double Dragon III is that the game itself would probably be totally awesome if only it had more lives and more continues.

QuoteIt's like the AVGN says, that game is like what would happen in real life if you decided to take on that many guys. You'd get your ass handed to you.
That's 100% true.

A.D.R.I.A.N

It surprises me that nobody speaks of I Wanna Be The Guy......
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Spooniest

Quote from: A.D.R.I.A.N on February 07, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
It surprises me that nobody speaks of I Wanna Be The Guy......

That's because youtube warned us not to play it :D
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Bregalad

Quote from: A.D.R.I.A.N on February 07, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
It surprises me that nobody speaks of I Wanna Be The Guy......
I completely forgot about it, but yeah, THAT game is BRUTAL. It was mean to be as sadistic as possible.

SleepyFist

I was gonna, but I decided not to, really I Wanna be the Guy the Movie the game is more fair than F-Zero X at least you don't have to literally fool the AI into letting you win, I made it halfway through IWBTG which is more than I can say for F-Zero.

SunGodPortal

Quote from: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 05:20:59 AMIn hindsight, many video game titles could have worked as extremely hardcore porn movie titles.

The same could be said for "the hardest game you've ever played".  ::)

Quote from: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 07:15:26 AMThe worst part about Double Dragon III is that the game itself would probably be totally awesome if only it had more lives and more continues.

I thought that myself until I recently watched another playthrough of it. That's when I noticed that it was incredibly monotonous and repetitive compared to Double Dragon II. It's almost nothing but "beat up a few people, walk to the right". Double Dragon II had conveyor belts, spikes on the ceiling, that bulldozer thing you had to fight to the top of, people throwing bombs, the fight in the helicopter where you could get sucked out the door, etc, etc. Compared to that, DDIII is boring as fuck. It's like they never took the time to develop it. They just put in a minimal effort and put it on the market. The only thing that's really that good about it are the visuals but even there it lacks the atmosphere of DDII.
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Spooniest

Quote from: SunGodPortal on February 07, 2017, 06:56:24 PM
The same could be said for "the hardest game you've ever played".  ::)

Bazinga!

Let's see...you know, Donkey Kong, the Nintendo Originator, is not a very nice game either. You can be quickly screwed over without much warning at all, even on the first stage of it. I know that games of the era were more about score than completion of the stages, but dang, Donkey Kong is not exactly a happy fun time walk down the lane.
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Disch

Speaking of memorization tests disguised as games -- how about Rolling Thunder (FC/NES version)?

Except unlike other memorization games, Rolling Thunder is actually fun.

Gi Nattak

Currently it's Dark Souls, I finally got around to playing it. It's difficult in a frustrating way, having to trek out very far and fight a boss with no save before it. I'm sure it doesn't help I chose a damn Cleric for my first character either. :banghead:

A classic game that was the hardest I ever played... I'll say NES Batman. And NES TMNT 1.

SunGodPortal

Quote from: Gi Nattak on February 08, 2017, 03:45:25 PMA classic game that was the hardest I ever played... I'll say NES Batman. And NES TMNT 1.

Yeah, TMNT for NES can be pretty brutal sometimes. Unlike some people, I had not trouble with the underwater level. I actually think it's a lot of fun. What's weird about that game is how it sometimes ramps up the difficulty seemingly out of nowhere. You'll go into one area and you could come back and it might be filled with more and stronger enemies. The respawning in this game can also be very annoying and unforgiving.
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Synnae

The hardest one? Tough question. But I'd say The Combatribes (arcade) is among them. It's also by Technos. Yes, the same creators of Double Dragon and River City Ransom.

It's also a beat 'em up. There are 6 levels total, and you start the game with 150 hit points. Thing is, you carry on that HP through the ENTIRE game. There are no means to regenerate it, and clearing a level doesn't heal you either - you begin the next one with the same amount you had after finishing the last. Enemies are pretty aggressive and it's really hard to avoid getting countered when you're hitting them, and nearly impossible against bosses. Plus, on the last level you have to beat ALL previous bosses in a boss rush. You only have 500 seconds to do that, and they have quite a bit of HP - making it also a battle against time. Heck, the final boss at the end is brutal enough...

So yeah, It's a harsh game. Even for arcade standards. There's a video of someone beating it on YouTube, but they save-state'd their way through (the final level was cleared with only 11 seconds remaining, btw). I don't think it's humanly possible to beat this with 1 coin legit.

Azkadellia

Quote from: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 07:15:26 AM
It would be awesome if a game was titled "alternating dragons". I am not 100% sure but I suspect they wanted to have 2 player mode but couldn't due to time restrictions for development.
Nah. It was hardware restrictions.

Quote from: Synnae on February 08, 2017, 08:58:50 PM
The hardest one? Tough question. But I'd say The Combatribes (arcade) is among them. It's also by Technos. Yes, the same creators of Double Dragon and River City Ransom.

It's also a beat 'em up. There are 6 levels total, and you start the game with 150 hit points. Thing is, you carry on that HP through the ENTIRE game. There are no means to regenerate it, and clearing a level doesn't heal you either - you begin the next one with the same amount you had after finishing the last. Enemies are pretty aggressive and it's really hard to avoid getting countered when you're hitting them, and nearly impossible against bosses. Plus, on the last level you have to beat ALL previous bosses in a boss rush. You only have 500 seconds to do that, and they have quite a bit of HP - making it also a battle against time. Heck, the final boss at the end is brutal enough...

So yeah, It's a harsh game. Even for arcade standards. There's a video of someone beating it on YouTube, but they save-state'd their way through (the final level was cleared with only 11 seconds remaining, btw). I don't think it's humanly possible to beat this with 1 coin legit.
It's possible. It just takes hours and hours of practice. I watch people on Twitch practice arcade games to 1CC them all the time.
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Synnae

Quote from: Azkadellia on February 08, 2017, 09:36:02 PM
It's possible. It just takes hours and hours of practice. I watch people on Twitch practice arcade games to 1CC them all the time.

Sure thing. I can 1CC some arcade games that are on the easier side and I'm more familiar with, such as Ghouls'n Ghosts or Deathsmiles. But I'd rather invest this time into playing different things. More enjoyable than dedicating so many hours to something that was clearly made to be a coin muncher.

Spooniest

Fire N' Ice was actually a game that got so convulutedly blastedly hard that I gave the hell up and played Ninja Gaiden again.

Edit: But you could MAKE YOUR OWN LEVEL and it was just as awesome as it sounds like it was
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MegaManJuno

Quote from: SleepyFist on February 07, 2017, 05:41:07 PM
I was gonna, but I decided not to, really I Wanna be the Guy the Movie the game is more fair than F-Zero X at least you don't have to literally fool the AI into letting you win, I made it halfway through IWBTG which is more than I can say for F-Zero.

I don't recall having too many issues with X. GX though... that was a different story.

Bahamut ZERO

Quote from: MegaManJuno on February 09, 2017, 11:49:32 AM
I don't recall having too many issues with X. GX though... that was a different story.

Yeah, GX is seemingly unforgiving compared to X.  Plus, as an added bonus, it feels like a letdown trying to sit down and play GX right after playing X.

I mean, F-Zero X had some mindblowing moments, and the most hardcore metal soundtrack you'll ever hear out of an N64 game. GX feels more like a constant muscle reaction test, and that techno-y music makes me feel more like I'm playing some coked up Wipeout game than F-Zero.
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SleepyFist

I see, I had always heard that GX was actually the more fair of the two, but I couldn't find a copy so I got X instead, which I know from experience has AI that can actually become so fast from rubberbanding they become near impossible for me to pass.
but yeah that soundtrack is awesome metal, was not expecting that when I started it up the first time.

I'll also add  La Mulana, and Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup in here, although DCSS is a roguelike so it's kind of justified having a morgue file a thousand entries long