Chrono trigger plus

[2tack]

What I'm about to say is a good thing. I want to play this patch so bad, but every time I come back to the forum you guys are talking about more features and more bug fixes. I can't wait till you say it's settled (until the 8thy project). I'm going to play it until my controller breaks.

[Shade Aurion]

What I'm about to say is a good thing. I want to play this patch so bad, but every time I come back to the forum you guys are talking about more features and more bug fixes. I can't wait till you say it's settled (until the 8thy project). I'm going to play it until my controller breaks.

Dude, its home stretch.. You have some pretty bad timing :p

[ThegreatBen]

Sorry for the long delay, I had some complicated bugs that needed squashing, I think everything is good, Ive given it back to my testers assuming they haven't given up.

[andrewclunn]

Up through to beating Magus.  Only "bug" is Ayla standing there instead of running after her intro if Crono isn't in the party.  Not game breaking at all though.

[ThegreatBen]

Up through to beating Magus.  Only "bug" is Ayla standing there instead of running after her intro if Crono isn't in the party.  Not game breaking at all though.

Well thats good news, the Ayla thingshouldn't be a big deal to fix, doesn't really affect anything anyway. Hopefully it keeps going smooth.

[Chronosplit]

I have an idea that I'd like to pass on to you (or whoever else wants to do it).  It was proposed to me by Chicken Knife for Bugfix but it's looking more out of scope the more we look at it.  However, Plus might be able to see it happen?  Your call.

Anyway, when you talk with the king in the Middle Ages with Magus in your party (or even as a leader) there's a bit of a plothole in that the king doesn't really notice Magus's presence at all.  Not even when he's asking the king to help him with the Rainbow Shell.  This is the result of him being an optional character, but doesn't it sound kind of odd that it doesn't trigger a scene at least?  Magus isn't one to disguise himself beforehand (as interesting as it would be to see him quickly change into Prophet garb when you step in), and they kind of know what Magus looks like thanks to that huge statue in the Cathedral at least.  Needless to say, he isn't well liked around those parts and everyone thinks Frog killed him.

The castle is really the only time this sort of thing happens due to how late in the game you obtain Magus.  Not really sure what would come out of this, however.  Would the king call the guards thinking the other party members are Mystics in disguise, or would there be a sort of "agreement" reached?  A reference to Ozzie?

[andrewclunn]

Ayla keeps referencing Crono in her speech, even when he's not in the party.  When the pendent first opens the door in Zeal it's glaringly off.
June 08, 2018, 09:08:41 PM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Gasper's text at the end of time is completely broken most times.  "Hey" Go and talk to him.  Sound effect.  Nothing.

[ThegreatBen]

Ok Ayla should be easy enough to fix as long as I know where she's doing it, the Gaspar thing seems like a big deal, at what point in the game is it doing it? What is he supposed to be doing?
June 08, 2018, 09:32:29 PM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
@chronosplit its not a bad idea, thats always annoyed me too, I actually started by making everyone in 600 ad address him as Magus regardless of what the party names him.

[andrewclunn]

@chronosplit its not a bad idea, thats always annoyed me too, I actually started by making everyone in 600 ad address him as Magus regardless of what the party names him.

That's a bad idea with the names carrying over with new game plus.

Also, as far as the Magus king interaction, making people think he's a Magus impersonator wouldn't be outlandish.  Another option is that the King is shocked to realize that rather than killing Magus the team apparently got him to lay down arms.

As far as Gasper, I'm like 80% sure that when you split out the end of time into two sections the text for a lot of his speeches broke then.  It's pretty much everything after telling the team to get magic.  After that it's more misses than hits for sure.  I'll do a comprehensive list when I'm through a full playthrough of testing (as I"ll need to start a new game plus to make the whole list).
June 08, 2018, 10:25:12 PM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Top of Mt Woe.  Ayla shouts out "Crono look!"  Crono isn't in the party.

[ThegreatBen]

Im guessing it's because I removed the story progression from Spekkios map, so Gaspar is probably still reacting to the unadvanced story, if thats the case its easy enough to fix

[andrewclunn]

Well got back to the Ocean Palace on a new game +  Froze in exactly the same place.

[Chronosplit]

That's a bad idea with the names carrying over with new game plus.

It's a good effort, but I feel that having 600 AD refer to him as "The Magus" has an issue where the force behind the title never shows until NG+ (and it can be confusing at that point).  This is probably why Slattery came up with Fiendlord, in an effort to fix this issue.

The game in general is a bit strange with this, as Magus is a title in original text as opposed to his name.  Unfortunately it's also not used very often at all.  In Bugfix I actually did a similar job recently in the sidequests to only one line, where the storyteller used his title in the localization so I made it "The Magus" no matter what his name.  This makes it more or less how the legend of Frog came to be in the present time, but also a bit of an easter egg because in the main game his name is Magus whether you like it or not for almost the entire trip.  It was a bit of a knowing nod in a way.

[ThegreatBen]

Well got back to the Ocean Palace on a new game +  Froze in exactly the same place.

Crap, alright I'll see what can be done, I'll get a work around without starting over this time.

[andrewclunn]

I see what you did to fix it and I don't like it.  I'm only saying as much here in case I'm way off base so others can chime in.  Crono basically needs to be forced into the party for the Ocean palace for obvious reasons.  There's a clear natural place to put this in, which is after beating the boss on Mt. Woe before the whole scene with Melchior and Dalton.  Doing it there makes it clear that hey, it's a Crono chapter, no big deal.  By putting it where you have it basically is in your face and jarring in a way that would break the fourth wall and have a new player wondering "Hey, why did that happen?"  I know I know, who is going to play this game without already knowing what's supposed to happen?  But forcing Crono into the party at the first Ocean Palace scene seems off to me.

[ThegreatBen]

You might be right but I'll do you one better, make the scene in Algetty Final Fantasy X style, have only Crono controllable and have the whole party present as npc's, that way every character gets to say their lines for that scene and it really cements it as the beginning of a critical point in the story.

[andrewclunn]

When Magus said "He even took our money" after waking up on the blackbird, the message was using the old indentation style.
June 11, 2018, 09:18:03 PM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Entering the room we were held as prisoners from the front door and we're coming down the vent.  Very odd.

[ThegreatBen]

Thats new, ok I'll take a look. I still have to fix Ayla referencing Crono when he isn't there too.

[andrewclunn]

DId you remove the Taban item scenes where he gives you equipment for Lucca?
June 11, 2018, 11:38:58 PM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
I know this was in the original, but:

"Leene: I ask for the sake of Magus, please carry out their request!"

Harharhar
June 12, 2018, 01:00:12 AM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Sealed chest in Guardia castle after letting it upgrade says red mail instead of red plate when you get it.
June 12, 2018, 01:40:12 AM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Got the Reaper.  Magus can't equip it.
June 12, 2018, 02:13:01 AM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Cult of Lavos, doesn't look like that console actually gets unlocked /activated

[ThegreatBen]

Fixed the indentation and a few incidences of Ayla referring to Cron when he isnt present, there was no problem with the Taban items (tested with and without optional patches) you probably just forgot to go to Lara's room first to play out that scene.

Leene now says for the sake of Frog (or whatever you named him) regardless of who is leading during that scene, the chest now says RedPlate, Magus can now equip the reaper (how that box got unchecked is beyond me)

Cult of Lavos console should work properly now, accidentally deleted its function last time I was bug fixing.

[andrewclunn]

With the run patch, the run and jump button in the factory (just before mother brain) becomes a walk and jump button.  Kind of off.

In 1999 the exit for the square is possible to go around on the right hand side and then need to go back in order to go out.
June 13, 2018, 04:01:03 AM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Crono needs to be in your party for the movie to work
June 13, 2018, 04:22:49 AM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Also, I never got the white rock.  Is there a way to get the Poyozo Dance?
June 13, 2018, 04:59:03 AM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Not sure if this is you or the base game, but it's impossible to change a character's name to something shorter without the game inserting spaces at the end.
June 13, 2018, 06:50:52 AM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Did you mean for the AtroRibbon to carry over into new game plus?