[Rodimus Primal]

Hello!
First I wanted to say that I'm playing FF4 for the first time using this hack. And holy damn is this going to be the way I recommend others to play FF4. Thanks a ton for everything!

I also wanted to share some typos I found while playing so far.
The first is when Cecil returns to Mysidia and speaks to the Elder for the first time, the Elder says, "If you wish to fight with purity, you must go Mt. Ordeals to the east." I believe it's just missing the "go to Mt. Ordeals."

Also when Rosa joins your party for the 2nd time, you can speak to her mom and she says, "You're not to leave the here again."

I'm using version 1.96 to be clear. But I didn't see these in any future update posts so I wanted to share them and help out. I hope I was helpful. This is the way to play FF4 on the SNES in my opinion.

Thanks. Those have now been corrected and I have now also added in chillyfeez's fix for the Pink Tail at the Adamant Grotto.

Version 1.98a is now available for download! 

[chillyfeez]

Hey, I was just thinking... The same game mechanic that handles removing the pink tail from inventory also handles removing the carrot when summoning the Fat Chocobo... Does using one carrot (in vanilla FFIV) also remove all carrots in that slot?

[Rodimus Primal]

Hey, I was just thinking... The same game mechanic that handles removing the pink tail from inventory also handles removing the carrot when summoning the Fat Chocobo... Does using one carrot (in vanilla FFIV) also remove all carrots in that slot?

It does not. Perhaps it was a glitch specific to the Pink Tail.

[chillyfeez]

Well, I know from hacking entirely different circumstances into the game that it's not just the pink tail (or, rather, not just the item ID of the pink tail). That is to say, it's not a glitch, it was done intentionally, and maybe they hardcoded a special case exception in for the carrot? At any rate, if I can zero in on whatever is different about the carrot I might be able to make a completely unintrusive patch. It's not important enough that I'll get right to work on it, but the next time I'm looking for a lil diversion...

[Neon Streetlight]

33 pages into this thread and up to version 1.98... I think this romhack has 100x the quality control of the original release 🤣

[chillyfeez]

33 pages into this thread and up to version 1.98... I think this romhack has 100x the quality control of the original release 🤣

I've spent a fair amount of time exploring under the hood of FFIV. Namingway Edition has closer to infinity times the quality control of the original.

[Special]

That's quite the self-brag chilly.

[chillyfeez]

That's quite the self-brag chilly.

To be clear, it's not me handling quality control issues. I'm in the credits for this project, but it isn't mine. This is Rodimus's hack and he is entirely responsible for its 1.98-ness.

[Special]

You're the DJ, Rodimus' the Rapper. We all know you're the one behind the scenes doing all the heavy lifting, without your "programming/knowledge" this hack would be would much much worse, what with all the text edits not being able to fit certain ways in menus, etc.

[chillyfeez]

Nah, I'm the Industrial Light and Magic to Rodimus's Disney Studios. I can do some cool tricks, but I'm practically nothing without a project to which to lend my service. I've been working on a thing for six or seven years and it's nowhere near ready.

[teahouser]

Sorry posted in the thread

[Grimoire LD]

It's difficult to say... if you put the item below a certain amount, it will take them all, I think its related to whether the game counts it as a Key Item or not. The Pink Tail is a very late item in the list and the game likely has a routine to delete Key Items (Items after ED) instead of simply decrementing them. I find it so amusing that the only reason the game even allows you to choose normal items is the Petrified Twins fakeout of "They have become stone of their own will..." I am sure the check wouldn't take long to find.
September 28, 2019, 11:38:23 pm - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)So it took a bit of time to find, it was nowhere near as straight forward as I had hoped, but I did manage to pin it down.

00eb23 lda $09d5,x   [0009d6] A:00f9 X:0001 Y:000d S:02f2 D:0600 DB:00 nvMxdizc V:242 H:107 F:18 00eb26 cmp $08fb     [0008fb] A:00f9 X:0001 Y:000d S:02f2 D:0600 DB:00 NvMxdizc V:242 H:124 F:18 00eb29 beq $eb3e     [00eb3e] A:00f9 X:0001 Y:000d S:02f2 D:0600 DB:00 nvMxdiZC V:242 H:124 F:18 00eb3e cmp #$ec               A:00f9 X:0001 Y:000d S:02f2 D:0600 DB:00 nvMxdiZC V:242 H:130 F:18 00eb40 beq $eb62     [00eb62] A:00f9 X:0001 Y:000d S:02f2 D:0600 DB:00 nvMxdizC V:242 H:144 F:18 00eb42 cmp #$fe               A:00f9 X:0001 Y:000d S:02f2 D:0600 DB:00 nvMxdizC V:242 H:148 F:18 00eb44 bcs $eb4a     [00eb4a] A:00f9 X:0001 Y:000d S:02f2 D:0600 DB:00 NvMxdizc V:242 H:152 F:18 00eb46 cmp #$ed               A:00f9 X:0001 Y:000d S:02f2 D:0600 DB:00 NvMxdizc V:242 H:156 F:18 00eb48 bcs $eb62     [00eb62] A:00f9 X:0001 Y:000d S:02f2 D:0600 DB:00 NvMxdizc V:242 H:160 F:18

So, basically the game looks if the item being accessed by the player for the event is EC (The Pass) If it is the Pass, leave it be, do not take away the whole item. If it is Below FE, moveon, if it is Above ED, move to the "do nothing" routine. IF you change EB47 to FF, (All Items Above FF "do nothing"). That will allow all items to be decremented instead of deleted.

In ROM this is at 0x6D47. BUT! And this is major; you will have to go into the editor to delete the "Remove Pink Tail" instruction from the event. The Carrot event doesn't have this, it is the "look for" routine that subtracts 1 from the item. The Remove Item does exactly what it says, it removes the item completely from your inventory. In retrospect it is a bit wasteful (shocker...) since the "look for" item routine had the capability of taking the Single Key Item you will Ever have of said item and getting rid of it. But for some reason they wanted a whole (very precious) Event instruction for something they had Already done. Great work Square, great work...

[chillyfeez]

Well, they need the "remove item" event instruction for excalibur, because you give up legend AND adamant...

[Grimoire LD]

...Touche. Though they could have added in an exception in the "look for item" code to also take away the Legend Sword if the Adamant Ore is found. It wouldn't be the first time exceptions like that were made in the code.

EDIT: I also didn't consider any other key item that the game rips from you, Dark Crystal, Package, etc. I still think it would have been more sensible for the "get rid of item" code to decrement (using the code already built for it) instead of deleting the item, which results in this particular glitch.

[chillyfeez]

Agree. The real problem ends up being 1) they included a provision to decrement the item quantity for SOME items in the "look for" instruction, and 2) the "remove" instruction removes the whole item record instead of decrementing.

In the end, the amount of bytes of code wasted is relatively inconsequential, but the glitch is tantamount to punishing players who dare to dig deeper, and that's a pretty big problem.

[Chrysologus]

I'm playing through it again and found a typo: the dancing girl in Kaipo says "I want go to" instead of "I wanna go to" (she says "wanna" in the same dialogue later, so it seems a good choice).

Screenshot

[Rodimus Primal]

I'm playing through it again and found a typo: the dancing girl in Kaipo says "I want go to" instead of "I wanna go to" (she says "wanna" in the same dialogue later, so it seems a good choice).

Screenshot

Thanks Chrysologus! Its now been fixed and 1.98b has been submitted for approval!

[Chrysologus]

Cool. I noticed Adamantoise (formerly Turtle) is now called Admantimi. What's going on there with the "imi"?

Also, the sort feature in the items menu doesn't work. Has anyone else noticed this?

[Heaven Piercing Man]

A crunching of the original Japanese name "Adamantaimai"

[Rodimus Primal]

Cool. I noticed Adamantoise (formerly Turtle) is now called Admantimi. What's going on there with the "imi"?

Also, the sort feature in the items menu doesn't work. Has anyone else noticed this?

I was doing everything I could to fit Adamantaimai in, but phonetically it fits as Adamantimi. I had to crunch the tiles to make the name fit, much like Scarmiglione. The sort feature is working on my end.