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Started by Sinthet, January 03, 2013, 12:45:50 AM

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Sinthet

Where have they been all my life...

I recently started playing Every Extend Extra on the PSP, then picked up Lumines II for like, $3 earlier today. These games are so addicting, but in the most non-stressful way imaginable. I'm not even sure you could look at Every Extend Extra as a purely puzzle game, but it feels extremely fresh. Don't get me started on the music and sound effects either. Beautiful. (You should like, buy this game. Seriously.)

Other than Tetris, I've never really given the genre much consideration, and its really refreshing to find these gems :). What are your thoughts? Suggestions?

KaioShin

My all time favourite will probably remain Mario Picross from the GB. But it's generally not my genre. Puzzle games are so abstract, they just don't motivate me enough to play through them. I do like 10 levels then I lose interest and play something else. Happens with 95% of all puzzle games I play. Endless loop puzzle games like Tetris are even worse for me. If there is no aim to achieve, just beating my own highscore over and over I just won't play such a game. Not my thing.
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Garoth Moulinoski

Chu Chu Rocket (it's like a "programming" game) and Scribblenauts (like scrabble but with visualizations and easter eggs; it's usually a bit too easy, specially when most puzzles can solved with rope and wings or Cthulhu).

And well, Tetris. Gotta love Tetris.
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DankPanties

Quote from: Sinthet on January 03, 2013, 12:45:50 AMI recently started playing Every Extend Extra on the PSP

That game's box has some of my all time favorite video game cover artwork:



Probably because it reminds of a certain A Tribe Called Quest's album:



QuoteWhat are your thoughts? Suggestions?

In general puzzle games bore me because they feel abstract and pointless.  Like Kaio said, I want to feel that I'm striving towards a tangible meaningful plot resolution, not just a level number or score.  However, I understand that some people really like to zone out and let their subconscious wander while they focus on quick distraction.  Riding the theta waves with colorful flashy graphics and a thumping electronica soundtrack and such.

Anyway, since you have a PSP I will recommend these puzzles games to you, as I could probably stand to play these myself:

http://www.gamerankings.com/psp/937199-puzzle-quest-challenge-of-the-warlords/images.html

http://www.gamerankings.com/psp/932664-hot-pixel/images.html

http://www.gamerankings.com/psp/928225-frantix-a-puzzle-adventure/images.html

http://www.gamerankings.com/psp/960637-echoshift/images.html

http://www.gamerankings.com/psp/942024-echochrome/images.html

http://www.gamerankings.com/psp/686357-breakquest-extra-evolution/images.html

http://www.gamerankings.com/psp/672266-wizorb/images.html

Quote from: KaioShin on January 03, 2013, 03:52:43 AMIf there is no aim to achieve, just beating my own highscore over and over I just won't play such a game. Not my thing.

This is also exactly how I feel about the DJ Max games, I will never understand the allure.  I'm gonna sit here and watch a bunch of colored blocks fly by my PSP screen while pressing endless QTEs and listening to shitty anime songs.  No thanks NeoGAF.

Sinthet

I actually have Chu-Chu Rocket on an external HD somewhere... I've heard a lot of good things about it. Time to look for some CD-R's haha.

Thanks for all the suggestions Dank, no idea if I'll ever get to playing all of them, but a few look really interesting.

I certainly agree that these games can seem kind of pointless after awhile. Not much in terms of plot. Really, they're mostly just some brain exercise packaged with gameplay and pleasing visuals. I can certainly understand the "Whats the point?" aspect. There really isn't one, past some immediate entertainment.

Somehow I've never heard of the DJ Max series... Not a huge fan of these types of games, at least not single-player. DDR is tons of fun to play at an arcade with some friends though.

DankPanties

I should say if you have a DS or 3DS, definitely check out the Professor Layton series.  It's supposedly a solid marriage of brainy puzzles and plot driven narrative.  I have no idea if the series is good or not, as I've personally never played a single one (yet), but the franchise has been quite lucrative for Level 5 so far.

Garoth Moulinoski

A lot of people would swear that Professor Layton is great. I sampled the first one for a few minutes to just how goes. It's like a puzzle game that got mix-matched with a point-and-click adventure. At least, that's the impression I got. And of course, story driven. It even has (a pretty good) movie! Professor Layton and the Eternal Diva or something like that.

I, too, don't play puzzle games too often because of how abstract they are. But if you're looking to kill a few minutes and really aren't in the mood for anything with a story, they hit that spot.

My mom really likes puzzle games, though; she fell in love with Kirby's Avalanche and she likes to play Bejeweled on Facebook. I've seen her play other, unrecognizable puzzle-looking games. And well... Farmville. I guess, what I mean is, it seems like puzzle games are a genre that resembles old board games the best, making them more accessible to non-gamers. *shrug* I don't even know what this has to do with anything, just a thought that popped into my head.
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DankPanties

I was trying to think of other PSP puzzle games that are more abstract then the ones I mentioned before.  All I came up with:

http://www.kurulinfusion.com/

http://www.gamefaqs.com/psp/936465-cube/images

http://www.pspminis.com/7365/kaleidoscope-interactive-synaesthesia-project-review-psychedelic/

That's it then, I'm pretty much tapped out for this thread.  Puzzle games are definitely not my thing.


MisterJones

SpaceChem is bsically the Holy Grail of hardcore puzzle games. It is a game that will make you feel dumb as a brick and a freaking Einstein at the same time. You could compare it to Dark Souls in its difficulty and unforgiveness. Past the first demo levels, there is no set solution for any of the challenges, you need to build your own on each, which means no two persons will solve the same puzzle alike. It is available for Windows, Mac, Linux, Android and iOS. Try the demo.


In case you haven't already, there is the Portal series. They are basically First Person Spatial Puzzles filled with dark humor and tight mechanics. Oh, and murderous AIs providing more of the plot progression and character development. First game is quite short, but it works rather well. Second game is a more ochrestral piece of work, but if you didn't like the first one, chances are you wont enjoy the second, as in terms of gameplay is the same but with more stuff.


There is an odd little game called Push-Over, about having dominoes fall to beat levels. I played the SNES version and it was quite fun. Tthere is an opensource port you migth want to try (havent tried it myself).
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Garoth Moulinoski

Oh. How about Portal and Portal 2? They contain the right level of story and puzzle to feel like you're advancing towards a goal. That FPS look is merely a side-effect of having to use an item called a "portal gun" but it's most definitely not an FPS.

And I just thought of another, although this is stretching it as far as "puzzle genre" goes: Donkey Kong for GB and Donkey Kong vs. Mario. I know that they're very platform heavy and action oriented, but they also contain many puzzle elements; it sometimes feels like a fast paced puzzle game. I guess it's stretching a bit far, but I still felt the need to point it out.

Maybe I'm confusing strictly puzzle games versus other-genre games which contain puzzles... X_x

Edit: Ninja'd by MisterJones. Darn youuuuuu!
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DankPanties

I'm not sure Portal fits the same kind of puzzle mold that the OP was going for, but they are interesting games.

KaioShin

My problem with certain puzzle games like SpaceChem or Splice is that the concept is too complicated. So for many missions I'm fighting more with the interface or the concept than with the actual solutions. And there is a 99% chance I've lost interest before I'm comfortable enough with the concept to focus all my attention on the actual puzzles.

How about Puzzle Quest? It's a RPG in which the battle system is implemented as a symbol matching puzzle. I can play something like that at least :D
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DankPanties

I already recommended Puzzle Quest earlier in this thread.   :-[

Square711

To me, puzzle games are sorta like cocaine: I can do just fine without them most of the time, but I always come back to them - usually, when my brain is overloaded with stuff and needs to just go numb for a while.

My favorite is the first Lumines (the sequel is a better game overall, but god I HATE the licensed songs in the soundtrack... playing a puzzle game with a Black Eyed Peas video in the background is TORTURE), with Echocrome and World of Goo a close second and third. There's also Crush, which is pretty creative and fun (not to mention it's probably the closest thing to Echochrome you'll ever find).

Sinthet

Wow guys... So many suggestions, I'll probably be set for a lifetime!

I remember hearing about Spacechem and thinking "ooooh neat". I love the concept of incorporating chemical bonding into games, very original. I've played Portal very briefly, and wasn't too impressed. But then again, I was playing at a friends' house, late at night, and was pretty tired. I've been meaning to give it another go, though it really doesn't fit into the same type of games as I was originally looking for.


Bonesy

Meteos is pretty great, it was like the first DS game i got besides a free copy of super mario 64 ds. A lot of fun although after a few years I lost interest in trying to unlock everything so I traded it in.

Jorpho

It seems to me there are just too many puzzle games out there these days, and it's hard to tell which ones are really all that good, rewarding creativity and such, and which ones are just cleverly-disguised slogs through trial and error.

I did like Puzzle Quest; in fact, I think it's absolutely superb in its design.  I understand common criticism is that the enemy AI will of course instantly recognize the best possible moves and when it comes to things like the final boss, a single lapse in judgement can be fatal.  (Someone even made a little utility for the PC version to pop up indicators of 5-in-a-row matches and suchlike.)
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DankPanties

In case anyone doesn't know about them, there are actually more entries into the Puzzle Quest franchise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle_Quest_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle_Quest:_Galactrix

Somewhat related:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle_Kingdoms

KingMike

Quote from: Jorpho on January 04, 2013, 12:43:33 AM
I did like Puzzle Quest; in fact, I think it's absolutely superb in its design.  I understand common criticism is that the enemy AI will of course instantly recognize the best possible moves and when it comes to things like the final boss, a single lapse in judgement can be fatal.  (Someone even made a little utility for the PC version to pop up indicators of 5-in-a-row matches and suchlike.)

Good game, but Puyo Puyo 2 is another game that has got to programmed to find the most crippling spots to drop garbage pieces on you. >:D
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FallenAngel2387

I'm going to suggest the Lost Vikings duology for the SNES. You have 3 character you swap between, whose abilities differ from each other, and you have to collect specific items as you get to the end of each stage. The 2nd game "randomly" chooses the characters you use in each stage from 5, instead of just the 3 vikings form the first game. The first one is also on the Genesis, Amiga, and DOS era PC's. 2nd one is also on the Saturn, PS1, and Window's('95 I'm guessing) PC's, entitled "Norse By Norsewest: Return of the Lost Vikings"