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Script Help and Language Discussion / Re: Hiragana letters
« on: February 29, 2012, 02:45:02 pm »
Unless I'm greatly mistaken, that's the hiragana ね.

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Thanks for the replies. =)

I think I'll take both of your advice, keeping the slightly 'off' pronunciations for most names so that it gels a little better with the official English stuff.
As for that pesky 萬詳史明, how I'll deal with it will probably depend on whether the game's story is closer to that of the anime or the original manga. There's some pretty huge differences between them, especially considering his origins and eventual fate.

Spoiler:
In both versions, Shimei's revealed to be a sentient sword. In the anime, the main antagonist has known all along, and says something along the lines of (heavily paraphrased):
"That body's just a corpse, animated by the spirit of the sword 萬詳史明."
He ends up wielding Shimei, along with another magic sword, 賢嘉爛舞/けんからんぷ。Since that sword was given a descriptive name (The Sword of Rule), I'll likely given Shimei's true form a similar name, something like 'All-Seeing Sword', 'Thousand Eyes Sword', etc.
In the manga, Shimei himself reveals his full name, but it's more in the way that a person would:
"I'm the thing you called Shimei, 萬詳史明."
If it plays out more like that, I'll likely keep the 'Shimei' part, and make the rest some kind of title.

Of course, the game might decide to play thing's completely differently, in which case I'll just have to see what feels most appropriate.  ;D

Edited to Add: This question's a tad off-topic, but at what stage does Translation Checking usually come in? I'm asking because with my other project, I've got two separate files: one for the direct translation of what's being said, and one for the 'smoothed out' version (what I'd like to be the text in the patch). Would it be better to show my potential TLC the direct version before I modify it, just the modified version, or both?

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Script Help and Language Discussion / Written in Japanese, Set in China?
« on: January 25, 2012, 09:42:29 pm »
Juushin Enbu/Hero Tales is set in a fantasy expy of China, and because of that, I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure out WTF to do about people's names.

By sound alone, the character names seem Japanese (しょうかく、けいろ、りんめい、こよう, etc), so I'd just assumed they were. When I delved a little deeper, I realized that the majority of them are either:

Corrupted Chinese
For example, there's an antagonist who goes by 史明. The furigana is しめい, a Japanese name. It's eventually revealed that his real/full name is 萬詳史明, pronounced ばんしょうしめい; since ばんしょう is apparently never written like that in Japanese, I decided to toss it into a Chinese translator. The result was 'Wan Xian Shi Ming', which is also what the English version translates it as. So if しめい is a corruption, then why don't I just translate it as such?
I was hoping to be consistent with the dub, and the dub itself is inconsistent. While it does call 萬詳史明 'Wan Xian Shi Ming', it also translates 史明 as 'Shimei', and maintains the corrupted spelling/pronunciation of pretty much every other character name. (麟盟詔韓/Lín méng zhào hán is still Rinmei Shoukan, 岱燈獅麗/Dài dēng shī lì is Taitou Shirei, etc.)
So, it seems like I either have the option of writing these names the 'canon' way and changing  萬詳史明 to Bansho Shimei for consistency, or changing the majority of the names to reflect the setting.


[/rant]

Basically, any type of help I could get with either of thse issues would be really appreciated.  :banghead:

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Script Help and Language Discussion / Re: Takeshi's Challenge
« on: December 05, 2011, 07:20:03 pm »
A few of these I wasn't sure about, some I had to look up to double-check, but these are the ones I think I know:

Wondering about the location names.

しゃちょうしつ=The President's Office

えいか″ょうふ″=I'm not sure, but えいぎょうぶ would be the sales department of a company.

かるちゃー
    せんたー=Culture Centre

えいか″かん=Movie Theatre/Cinema

き″んこう=Bank

あかちょうさん=Usually refers to a really cheap restaurant, somewhere you can get a quick meal/drink. "Dive", maybe?

くらふ″
 あけみ=Club Akemi (a nightclub?)

すなっく
 あせ″みち=Snack Azemichi (I'm not sure what 'Azemichi' means, tbh)

は″ー
こ″ーると″ =Gold Bar (As in, a drinking bar)

は″は″ー
 こもり=Old Lady Komori/Grandma Komori

は゜ちんこや=A Pachinko Arcade

とらべる
たまがわ=Tamagawa Travel (Tamagawa is a river)

し″たく=Your Home

ひこうし″ょう=Airport

は″んく=Bank

みやけ″や=Souvenir Shop

そうびや=Equipment Store

りそ″ーと
  せんたー=Resort Centre

ほこら=Shrine

と″し″んのいえ=Doujin House

ほてる=Hotel

かし″の=Casino


As for the graphics, it'd be a nice touch, but if it's going to be a huge pain, it's probably not vital.

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Script Help and Language Discussion / Re: Small Localization Help?
« on: December 03, 2011, 02:47:48 pm »
I know absolutely jack about sentai lore, so both of these are probably horrible, but they might serve as a starting point.

"Divine Chimera" might work, just 'cos it's the combined mech, or "Grand Behemoth" for the whole 'divine animal' thing.

Of course, both of these are Final Fantasy levels of mythology mangling, but maybe something along those lines (but more Japanese) could work?

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ROM Hacking Discussion / Re: Changing interests in Rom hacking
« on: December 02, 2011, 10:24:19 pm »
A Mario-themed hack sounds pretty damned interesting; would it be based around the world of the original SMB games, Mario RPG, Paper Mario, the &Luigi series, or just a combination of whichever Mario stuff interests you?

Motivation-wise, working for your own purposes is probably the best way to go. While it's nice to have other people enjoy what you do, relying on their appreciation is can be pretty disheartening for a lot of reasons. (I was actually musing on this a few days ago, due to my fairly unpopular views on translation.)

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ROM Hacking Discussion / Re: Screenshots
« on: December 02, 2011, 10:12:18 pm »


All I can say is yes, please. I'm not sure what the differences are between the PC and the SNES versions (I know the PSX one had some extra scenes), but all the same, I'll definitely be looking into this whenever it's finished.

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Newcomer's Board / Re: Visual Novel Scenario Encyption?
« on: December 02, 2011, 10:06:54 pm »
Fantastic. Now I just need to brush up on my code enough to figure out just what went wrong, and then I'll be golden.  Hopefully, I'll be able to get things sufficiently tweaked within a week or two, but we'll see.

Another silly question, though: When I'm fiddling around with the dialogue, how much of a mind should I keep towards length? I know that making the new dialogue too lengthy will mess up how it looks in the dialogue box, but are there any good rules of thumb to keep in mind?

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Newcomer's Board / Re: Visual Novel Scenario Encyption?
« on: December 02, 2011, 02:51:53 am »
I'm actually not sure what program you are referring to. Kanon had 1 gan file but no programs for them from what I remember. GAN files are just animation instructions. You can convert the GAN files to xml with rlxml included with rldev if you want to look at them.

No wonder I was confused. I'd never heard of a file ending in .gan before, and when I looked it up, most of the links I found pointed me towards something called GanttProject, so I'd assumed that they were some sort of collaboration tool for the original programmers, like a schedule of who codes what. ::)

Alright, now I've managed to de-compress Seen into its various parts, and I just have two final questions before I scoot off and get back to translating.

Firstly, when I disassembled the code (no special options selected, just "-d seen.txt") kprl gave a fairly large number of warnings about the code. There were about fifty to a hundred mentions of "Out of parameters before strcmp call" near various lines, one unimplemented select function, and an "expected '{', found 0x0a in read_select".  Are these actual errors in the original game code, or something I messed up during the disassembly?

Secondly, can I edit the dialogue as it appears in the Seen files, or do I still need to mess around with hex editing and tables?

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Newcomer's Board / Re: Visual Novel Scenario Encyption?
« on: December 02, 2011, 01:45:19 am »
Holy crap, thank you guys so much for offering your advice on this, and replying so quickly.

Quote from: Ryusui
Open the file in a program like WindHex and use one of our tables to test the encoding. Go to Documents on the left and search for "Table" - you'll find 'em all there.

You'll probably have to use Cartographer and Atlus to dump and reinsert the script. Worst-case, if the scenario data really is encrypted or compressed, you'll need to code your own tools.

I tried every table on RHDN, and while some (namely, the Shift-JIS table) provide less messed-up results, it still looks to be encrypted. I'm trying out RLDev right now, but if that doesn't work, then this is certainly going to be an interesting project for me. (Especially since I haven't touched a drop of code in two years.) Still, if it turns out that there aren't any utilities that'll work with this particular file, then re-learning to code will at least be a fun learning experience.  :)

Quote from: Nagato
Haeleth released his rldev toolset for the Reallive engine a few years back but he has since left the community so it's pretty outdated. Here's an updated fork in case Haeleth's version doesn't work. If *that* one still doesn't work you can try tracking down Richard_23 and ask him for rldev 1.51. I'm not sure if he's released it publicly but I know he made his own fork for the Little Busters! project which has additional encryption that Haeleth's version doesn't support.

As for the .cgm and .tcc files, I don't recall us ever having to edit those for the Kanon project so you probably don't need to touch them unless you have a specific reason for wanting to modify them. If you're looking for the images then they are usually in the G00 folder. rldev supports conversion to and from the g00 format so you're covered there, too.

I'm trying out the fork as we speak, and hopefully I'll be able to report back on that on the morning. Currently I'm feeling like a bit of an idiot for tying to look up what on Earth this error message is telling me to do.

Spoiler:
Error:Error:unable to locate reallive.kfn. Try setting $RLDEV to your RLDev installation directory.

Actually, I was just curious as to what the heck those files were. I'd managed to figure out what most of the different file folders were for, but I didn't know if those two were something I'd need to worry about, so thanks for clearing that up. Also, seeing as you worked on Kanon, d'you mind if I ask whether that game had .gan files on the disc? I know they're some sort of scheduling/management program (which  reads them as corrupt), but do VN companies usually leave them in there? The game I'm working on has a whole folder of 'em, and it seems a little odd to me, but then again, I don't know a lot about how companies do their work.

Is it possibly the one with the main character wearing eyeglasses?

If so, the text at the beginning of the game is in Seen0101.txt. Find any program that can display Shift-JIS encoding and you should see the text. Even internet browser like Firefox can display it if you have Shift-JIS supported. There are codes mixed in with text, so you will have to either find a program or write a custom program if you want to extract/insert text. (The dialog text isn't at the beginning of the file. You'll have to move down to see it.)

Yeah, I'm playing around with Kichiku Megane right now. At the moment, all the Seen parts are compressed into a single file, though. After a little more research, I came across this thread, which talks about the same problem with other RealLive games. Reading that thread definitely made me think, but I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.
 
Spoiler:
"...The same goes for the SEEN.TXT file you're trying to get to unzip and decode -- and it's been encoded at least twice and LZ77 compressed once. Unless all that is reversed without a single mistake it's going to look like pencil shavings to a human as well as to kprl, the decompiler."
Spoiler:
"1. The encryption of reallive games is done in two parts, masking some bytes the scenarios, and embed the key in the reallive executable and applying an out-of-box protection layer. So you can't find the key in the SEEN.TXT, and good luck trying to debug the copyright protected exe. :P
2. The key length is the same for all these games. Of course each game use a different key.
3. The main weakness of the protection scheme is that the encryption is too simple. As you may already know from the rldev source, it is just XOR.
Given another fact that reallive is a widely used engine by all companies (or workshops) under VisualArts, and not all released games are encrypted -- so the key is actually very easily recoverable by doing the following:
a. Get another unprotected game released around the same period
b. Extract a unencrypted utility scenario (these scenarios provides standard in-game services, and are game independent, and likely to be reused across multiple games)
c. Extract the encrypted utility scenario (usually having the same name/index) from your game
d. XOR them, now you get the key."

From what I can gather, both from those posts, and the fact that you've managed to view some of the individual, non-compressed Seen files, getting this to work is definitely doable. I just don't know how long it's going to take me to learn the skills to actually do it. Would you mind telling me how you accessed those indiviual files?

Anyway, sorry for the wall of text, everyone. I'm going to try some more things, fiddle around a little more, and see what happens. Right now, it's late, and I have a feeling I'm going to need to learn a lot to tackle this project.

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Newcomer's Board / Visual Novel Scenario Encyption?
« on: December 01, 2011, 02:35:49 pm »
My current project is a 2007 visual novel made by Spray using the RealLive engine. I've managed to identify most of the data on the disc (music, art, etc), but there are a few parts that I can't seem to access. If anyone could provide any kind of pointers or help, it'd be much appreciated.

-Most importantly is a 6MB .txt file called 'Seen'. From what I've read about other RealLive games, this is the scenario file, and should contain all of the in-game dialogue and narration. It crashes Notepad due to size, so I've been trying to open it in Word, but none of the available encodes make the contents look anything like actual code. I tried opening the file in EncodingReconvertion tool, which identifies the original encoding as 'Shift JIS', but when I try to reconvert it to ASCII, EUC, JIS, NECJIS, Unicode, Reversed Unicode or UTF-8, it still looks like a mishmash.
I should probably note that Word is the program I've mainly been using to try and view the code, since I'm used to screwing with config files in notepad. Also, there are some encodes which make the file look a little closer to what it might actually say. For example, when I try and open it in Word, and let it know it's Shift-JIS encoded, the information is laid out more logically, and there are no random wingdings, but it's still obviously not code.

-There's also a folder labelled 'dat', which contains a 5kb .cgm file (apparently an image library?) and a 10kb .tcc file, which I think is some other part of the code written in C++, but I have no idea how to decompile it.

I'd really appreciate it if someone could help me figure out how to access the data in these files. If I've missed something obvious, feel free to yell at me.  :-[

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Newcomer's Board / Re: Introduction Topic
« on: December 01, 2011, 02:06:39 pm »
I'm Pencil, and I'm here because I want to make good fiction available to everyone, no matter what language they speak. My skills in Japanese, coding, and even understanding how games work are rudimentary, to say the least,  but I'm here to change that. Chances are that I'll be causing a few facepalms, but I'll do my best to learn as much as I can without bothering you guys at every turn.

My main interests tend to flux by the month based on whatever cool tidbits have managed to catch my eye, and I'm currently trying to figure out just what my real passion is. I look forward to learning from you all.

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