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Title: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on January 25, 2022, 01:29:05 PM
Magno did an excellent hack of Star Ocean (https://www.romhacking.net/translations/3736/) for his spanish translation.  He fixed several engine bugs that are still present in DeJaps version.

I was wondering if it'd be possible to rip the script from DeJaps translation and apply it to Magno's hack.

I'd also like to replace couple of things that DeJap left unfinished.  Namely, the Yes/No icons and the subtitles in the intro.

I've never done anything like this, and honestly don't even know where to start.

Thanks!
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: Jorpho on January 25, 2022, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: the_grobe on January 25, 2022, 01:29:05 PMI've never done anything like this, and honestly don't even know where to start.
This would be a poor place to start, as Star Ocean is technically one of the most complex games ever released for the SNES.

Have you checked to see if any of the official tools have been made available?
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on January 25, 2022, 03:35:40 PM
Quote from: Jorpho on January 25, 2022, 03:19:53 PM
Have you checked to see if any of the official tools have been made available?

I sent Magno a PM and an email a month or two ago, but haven't gotten any response.  I know he mentioned his toolkit, but I haven't been able to get my hands on it.
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: Jorpho on January 25, 2022, 04:53:40 PM
And have you checked to see if any of DeJap's tools were released? That would be a fine place to start.
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: Felipefpl on January 25, 2022, 05:07:18 PM
QuoteI've never done anything like this, and honestly don't even know where to start.

Kongratz for wanting to take such a difficult job. Honestly, if you made a simple hack replacing the ugly font used in the game i'd be happy.  :thumbsup:

I'd even donate $$$ to you if i wasnt such a poor guy as you can see from my GREAT pc in my signature.
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: FAST6191 on January 25, 2022, 05:30:12 PM
Pending more game specific advice I would almost prefer to go the other way and backport any extra fixes from the Spanish one if it is all based on the same affair. Far less likely to run into any tweaks done to handle the Spanish text engine, and where they are you can then lose them more easily than adapting for Spanish text engine.
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on January 25, 2022, 06:23:21 PM
Quote from: FAST6191 on January 25, 2022, 05:30:12 PM
Pending more game specific advice I would almost prefer to go the other way and backport any extra fixes from the Spanish one if it is all based on the same affair. Far less likely to run into any tweaks done to handle the Spanish text engine, and where they are you can then lose them more easily than adapting for Spanish text engine.

Based on his relatively sparse documentation, it seems like he did ALOT behind the scenes.  (https://magno.romhackhispano.org/)

His spanish translation was used as the base for the german translation;  it seems like hacking in the english translation would be easier.  But really, I don't know.
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: RedScorpion on January 26, 2022, 01:16:39 AM
Hi,
I know magno is actually out of the scene and these has personal reasons.
Actually i already covert the english script to the toolset.

Will send you some files to Check and change.

Thanks
Red
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on January 26, 2022, 02:17:18 PM
Quote from: RedScorpion on January 26, 2022, 01:16:39 AM
Hi,
I know magno is actually out of the scene and these has personal reasons.
Actually i already covert the english script to the toolset.

Will send you some files to Check and change.

Thanks
Red

Perfect!  That's amazing.  Thank you.
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: Special on January 27, 2022, 06:20:30 AM
What exactly are you "updating"? Currious, What do you think needs "re-translation" of DeJap's one. What are your goals?
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on January 27, 2022, 01:15:42 PM
Quote from: the_grobe on January 25, 2022, 01:29:05 PM
Magno did an excellent hack of Star Ocean (https://www.romhacking.net/translations/3736/) for his spanish translation.  He fixed several engine bugs that are still present in DeJaps version.

I was wondering if it'd be possible to rip the script from DeJaps translation and apply it to Magno's hack.

I'd also like to replace couple of things that DeJap left unfinished.  Namely, the Yes/No icons and the subtitles in the intro.

Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: Special on January 27, 2022, 07:34:33 PM
Yeah, but what specifically will this achieve for people like who me cannot read good... :/

[spoiler]4AM posting, maaaaybe I should cut that back to 3AM.  :P

Anyway, good luck![/spoiler]
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on January 27, 2022, 07:38:41 PM
Quote from: Special on January 27, 2022, 07:34:33 PM
Yeah, but what specifically will this achieve for people like who me cannot read good... :/

[spoiler]4AM posting, maaaaybe I should cut that back to 3AM.  :P

Anyway, good luck![/spoiler]

Lol, no worries.

There's some more specific documentation here, but it's in spanish, and kinda spread out (https://magno.romhackhispano.org/).  Google translate does a good job.
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: RedScorpion on January 29, 2022, 12:45:52 PM
hi,

rdy to go! Who want change to intro graphics to english?

Thanks

red
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on January 29, 2022, 07:00:13 PM
I'll do it.  ;)
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: RedScorpion on January 29, 2022, 07:39:26 PM
Check your PMs.

red
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on January 29, 2022, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: RedScorpion on January 29, 2022, 07:39:26 PM
Check your PMs.

red

Awesome.  Downloaded.  I've never used tilemolester before, so I'll have to spend some time working that out.

edit: @RedScorpion do you happen to know what font is being used here?  if not, I'll just choose something that looks nice.

edit 2: Here are the german bits and their english counterparts.  I translated them all in google translate before i remembered that these bits are actually (poorly) voiced in english.  updated the translations to match the dubs.  these images were all pulled from the .bin files RedScorpion sent me.  It seems I'm still missing a few.

(https://i.postimg.cc/DzjZF0Bq/01.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/2jZZ0hxp/01e.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/HLsxfX4Y/02.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/65xGgqH8/02e.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fRvy2Bdq/03.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/B6J6SPK6/03e.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vZyDtp46/04.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/NMMfWqXC/04e.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Nfm5Tgjc/05.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/3N0rxXng/05e.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/h4HXfJgs/06.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/w3Kqy1Gn/06e.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3ryy8jMW/07.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/Pf0Yz2sn/07e.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4nkRskDv/08.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/kgnts5sW/08e.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Hn71qshs/09.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/zXWWdK8b/09e.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GtYhkQrQ/0A.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/x1vCmPY5/0Ae.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/j5BSw9V2/0B.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/TPQ37YKW/0Be.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/wv1BBzGn/0C.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/JhRh5BzL/0Ce.png)



edit 3: Here are the pieces I don't have .bin files for.

(https://i.postimg.cc/25M1h3hC/1.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yxXxMP5N/2.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3rgk08RH/3.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tJH7vfBf/4.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZRNCcZxp/5.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gkmnvCXL/6.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/t4mJG7rF/7.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bwvr51Rz/8.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/NfDLbdmJ/9.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/g0XJzd5Q/10.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/6QkQTgx3/11.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/V6XktgzF/12.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/br8N9nJf/13.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Y032nSGG/14.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RCQ0VgsS/15.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zXzGLT6n/16.png)
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: RedScorpion on January 30, 2022, 04:27:02 AM
Looks good so far. I will send you the other files later.

Thanks
Red
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on January 30, 2022, 04:39:14 AM
Excellent.  Thanks a ton for all your help!  I couldn't do this without you.

After the intro subs have been translated, I think the next thing is the yes/no graphic:

(https://www.romhacking.net/translations/snes/images/452screenshot4.png)

Also, did you translate this "PLOF" graphic for the german translation? (image from spanish translation)

(https://magno.romhackhispano.org/Capturas/SO/SO_esp_Iria_Plof.gif)
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: RedScorpion on February 03, 2022, 07:19:05 PM
hi guys,

i could insert the complete script of Dejaps translation in a new revision. I used the toolset from magno which was also used for the german and spanish translation.

If anyone want test the new rom, send me a PM.

thanks
chris
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on February 04, 2022, 10:25:04 AM
Just a quick update:

We've got the subtitles and script replaced, though there's still a bit of cleaning up to do on both fronts.

(https://i.postimg.cc/j5KwZ0Lx/snes9x-x64-A0g6lxv-Zc-I.png)

The dialogue between the captain and first mate is color coded (i don't believe these bits were subtitled at all in the japanese release):

(https://i.postimg.cc/26sz2nH4/snes9x-x64-EZv7-TJg5-DE.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/prKP7y73/snes9x-x64-xz-MAD1-M6-MS.png)
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: KingMike on February 05, 2022, 01:51:02 AM
Nope, DeJap didn't subtitle them, I recall the readme was just like "go look up a FAQ if you can't hear what they're saying". :P
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on February 05, 2022, 02:28:12 AM
Quote from: KingMike on February 05, 2022, 01:51:02 AM
Nope, DeJap didn't subtitle them, I recall the readme was just like "go look up a FAQ if you can't hear what they're saying". :P

lol.  and it's IMPOSSIBLE to hear what they're saying.  especially the "captain."  I had to listen to the intro 100 times to write out the subs.
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: the_grobe on February 14, 2022, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Felipefpl on January 25, 2022, 05:07:18 PM
Honestly, if you made a simple hack replacing the ugly font used in the game i'd be happy.  :thumbsup:

We will be providing an optional patch to change the ugly 8x8 font into something more readable.

(https://i.postimg.cc/bdXH6LwG/snes9x-x64-j-Tg-DVj-H9-An.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/tJWtcT4R/snes9x-x64-o-Mh-QSDn-VIW.png)

Original by DeJap:

(https://i.postimg.cc/zvPX5PgB/snes9x-x64-Hi-Sam-Y1-HVK.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/nz6GT7Zw/snes9x-x64-g-TRh-YGci-CF.png)
Title: Re: I'd like to update DeJap's Star Ocean Translation
Post by: Felipefpl on February 16, 2022, 11:28:17 AM
QuoteWe will be providing an optional patch to change the ugly 8x8 font into something more readable.

(https://i.postimg.cc/bdXH6LwG/snes9x-x64-j-Tg-DVj-H9-An.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/tJWtcT4R/snes9x-x64-o-Mh-QSDn-VIW.png)

Original by DeJap:

(https://i.postimg.cc/zvPX5PgB/snes9x-x64-Hi-Sam-Y1-HVK.png) (https://i.postimg.cc/nz6GT7Zw/snes9x-x64-g-TRh-YGci-CF.png)

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH for this, it's much better to look at Star Ocean now, this font's patch should be embedded in your update of dejap's translation. This is also shown in the abilities' window am i correct?