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Title: ROM Hacks: Atari Pitfall! for SNES
Post by: RHDNBot on January 03, 2022, 10:38:38 AM
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Update By: Nokia3310

Did you know that a port of the original Pitfall! for the Atari 2600 was included as a hidden game in Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure? Do you want to play that hidden port as a standalone Super Nintendo game that works on real hardware or an emulator? If the answer to that last question is 'yes!' then you are in luck. This patch does just that.

The hidden game was previously only accessible using a cheat code or finding a secret portal in the game to play it. This patch removes the 16 bit sequel entirely from the game experience and is the product of a non-programmer spending weeks poking around in a hex-editor. The end result is achieved by changing only two bites of the original code.

Pitfall! was undoubtedly one of the biggest landmarks on the Atari 2600. Programmed by David Crane 40 years ago, it spent 64 weeks at number 1 on the best seller list, sold 4 million copies and is notable for its influence on home console platform games that came after.

Until recently, this hidden version of Pitfall! was the only way of playing a Super Nintendo version of an Atari 2600 game. There are now other ways of playing Atari games on a SNES. Miniature Golf for 2600 has received a homebrew port. Also, ports that appeared on the original Atari Flashback console are now playable on a Super Nintendo.

For Super Nintendo fans with any attachment to the Atari era, these are all great things to have in your collection and Atari Pitfall! is a must-have.

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Title: Re: ROM Hacks: Atari Pitfall! for SNES
Post by: SuperThunderBlade on January 03, 2022, 05:55:05 PM
Good work, something are never getting old  :thumbsup:

January 04, 2022, 02:20:44 AM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)

I meant: Some Things" hahah anyway good job  :beer:
Title: Re: ROM Hacks: Atari Pitfall! for SNES
Post by: Nokia3310 on January 04, 2022, 03:33:04 PM
Quote from: SuperThunderBlade on January 03, 2022, 05:55:05 PM
Good work, something are never getting old  :thumbsup:

January 04, 2022, 02:20:44 AM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)

I meant: Some Things" hahah anyway good job  :beer:

You're right :) I was surprised to find that this has become an overnight internet sensation in Brazil on YouTube (https://youtu.be/2IzIA5TFTsA/) :o Maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration but I didn't expect my first hack to appear on a popular retro game channel in less than a day. I guess this hack is just the right amount of familiarity, nostalgia and obscurity to make a video with broad appeal.
Title: Re: ROM Hacks: Atari Pitfall! for SNES
Post by: marioxb on January 04, 2022, 10:32:24 PM
I'd like to hear more about the Atari Flashback ports to SNES. Where can I read more about those?
Title: Re: ROM Hacks: Atari Pitfall! for SNES
Post by: Samus12345 on January 05, 2022, 01:07:25 AM
The Atari Flashback console is a NES-on-a-chip that has 17 2600/7800 games on it - when dumped, they're actually NES roms that will run in an emulator. Using Project NESted, they can be converted to SNES roms.
Title: Re: ROM Hacks: Atari Pitfall! for SNES
Post by: Nokia3310 on January 05, 2022, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: marioxb on January 04, 2022, 10:32:24 PM
I'd like to hear more about the Atari Flashback ports to SNES. Where can I read more about those?

I put a video on YouTube (https://youtu.be/1sC0phsIqug/) about that. It explains everything and has links in the description that you need to do this. This is around the time I fell down the rabbit hole with the whole Atari on SNES idea. I was thinking 'SNES can't play Atari games but I bet there are some ports out there somewhere or maybe NES ports that will work with Project Nested'. Sure enough, everything is on the internet if you look hard enough for it haha

As for the homebrew SNES version of 2600 Miniature Golf, you can download that here (https://forums.nesdev.org/viewtopic.php?p=275659#p275659/).

Edit:
Quote from: Samus12345 on January 05, 2022, 01:07:25 AM
The Atari Flashback console is a NES-on-a-chip that has 17 2600/7800 games on it - when dumped, they're actually NES roms that will run in an emulator. Using Project NESted, they can be converted to SNES roms.
Good summary  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ROM Hacks: Atari Pitfall! for SNES
Post by: marioxb on January 07, 2022, 05:01:56 PM
Quote from: Nokia3310 on January 05, 2022, 01:04:46 PM
I put a video on YouTube (https://youtu.be/1sC0phsIqug/) about that. It explains everything and has links in the description that you need to do this. This is around the time I fell down the rabbit hole with the whole Atari on SNES idea. I was thinking 'SNES can't play Atari games but I bet there are some ports out there somewhere or maybe NES ports that will work with Project Nested'. Sure enough, everything is on the internet if you look hard enough for it haha

As for the homebrew SNES version of 2600 Miniature Golf, you can download that here (https://forums.nesdev.org/viewtopic.php?p=275659#p275659/).

Edit:Good summary  :thumbsup:

Oh ok. I was more thinking the special versions of Frogger and Space Invaders that were on later Flashback versions, starting with Flashback 6. Wasn't sure if they were possibly modified SNES roms. http://www.ataricompendium.com/archives/reviews/flashbacks/flashbacks.html
Title: Re: ROM Hacks: Atari Pitfall! for SNES
Post by: Atariboy on January 08, 2022, 07:12:22 AM
Those two arcade ports aren't running via emulation. They're running natively on the Flashback hardware.
Title: Re: ROM Hacks: Atari Pitfall! for SNES
Post by: Nokia3310 on January 08, 2022, 10:37:13 AM
Quote from: marioxb on January 07, 2022, 05:01:56 PM
I was more thinking the special versions of Frogger and Space Invaders that were on later Flashback versions, starting with Flashback 6. Wasn't sure if they were possibly modified SNES roms. http://www.ataricompendium.com/archives/reviews/flashbacks/flashbacks.html

All the Flashback consoles from the Atari Flashback 2 have included real Atari roms. The original version with the NES ports was a bit of a weird animal since it wasn't emulating 2600 or 7800 games... but that now allows us to make even weirder animals, converting them to work on SNES with Protect Nested  :)

As far as I'm aware, there are no Atari 2600 ports of Frogger and Space Invaders for SNES. These were both officially released for SNES though (not as 2600 ports) and Space Invaders is a pretty accurate arcade version. Taito had already released a Game Boy version of Space Invaders before this and it also had a SNES version on it (it works using the Super Game Boy). I've considered making that a standalone SNES rom but there's not a lot of difference between that and the other standalone version that they released on a SNES cartridge. Seems like a lot of trouble where nobody really gains much.

As for Frogger, there's also a 1996 homebrew port for SNES called Frog Nes.

If you want to play other arcade versions of Atari games on SNES, Arcade's Greatest Hits: The Atari Collection was an official SNES cartridge with six games on it (Asteroids, Centipede, Battlezone, Tempest, Missile Command and Super Breakout).
Title: Re: ROM Hacks: Atari Pitfall! for SNES
Post by: Atariboy on January 10, 2022, 11:36:58 PM
Frogger and Space Invaders on the AtGames plug and plays aren't 2600 roms. They're modern day arcade ports commissioned by AtGames that run natively on their hardware.

(https://i.ibb.co/3W726bV/Frogger.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/N6bQLXY/Space-Invaders.jpg)

The Atari 2600 games look like these.

Frogger (Parker Brothers)
https://atariage.com/2600/screenshots/s_Frogger_2.png

The Official Frogger (Starpath)
https://atariage.com/2600/screenshots/s_FroggerTheOfficial_2.png

Space Invaders (Atari)
https://atariage.com/2600/screenshots/s_SpaceInvaders_3.png

This was done because Taito was willing to play ball, but didn't want Space Invaders represented by the 2600 game due to the game's iconic status. And while AtGames apparently secured the rights to the Parker Brothers port of Frogger that most anyone that ever played a 2600 is familiar with (Since they use the box art on their systems), they weren't willing to hire a homebrew programmer to eliminate the licensed musical jingles from the game or pay to clear it.

Instead they created a fresh arcade port from scratch that was sadly sans all music (Not even utilizing the substitute public domain tunes that are used these days when the arcade game is emulated and rereleased). And like Space Invaders, it runs natively on the AtGames hardware.
Title: Re: ROM Hacks: Atari Pitfall! for SNES
Post by: Nokia3310 on January 22, 2022, 09:23:20 AM
Quote from: Atariboy on January 10, 2022, 11:36:58 PM
Frogger and Space Invaders on the AtGames plug and plays aren't 2600 roms. They're modern day arcade ports commissioned by AtGames that run natively on their hardware.

I didn't know about all that. I guess it's not surprising that AtGames made an Atari product but commissioning ports is different to their usual thing of presenting stuff that already exists (licensing or buying existing games).

I don't know what platform AtGames used to base these ports on but Space Invaders isn't necessary since SNES had a very good arcade port already. Frogger is a little different. I don't expect anyone will make a faithful arcade port for that on SNES but stranger things have happened.