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Title: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: deadlyblossom on July 13, 2021, 02:14:57 pm
Yo Guys I'm ask what you think in Final Fantasy 1-10 that who do you think is the strongest main protagonist meaning lead male.

Well who do you think is stronger than who?
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Recca on July 13, 2021, 02:55:38 pm
I would say Cecil Harvey from Final Fantasy IV (II in the US version). He endured a lot of hardships and was able to atone for his mistakes in the past. As a paladin, Cecil is a well-rounded character with high stats and is one, if not the best fighter in the game. He can also use healing magic as well, but that's obviously not his strong point. Even so, it's still nice that he can do so in emergencies.

A close second would probably be Cloud because of his Buster Sword. This is yet another strong fighter with good all-around stats. His story is not quite as deep as that of Cecil's I feel, but nevertheless, he's still a pretty strong character who has also been through quite a lot. I'm not sure how I would rank the other characters as it's been quite a long while since I last played any of the other games in the series.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 13, 2021, 03:18:42 pm
Wait, where is Vaan from 12?
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: PowerPanda on July 13, 2021, 03:26:06 pm
Tidus started out as a professional athlete at the peak of his physical performance, AND THEN GREW FROM THERE. It's possible Cecil, as a Knight, could rival him, but none of the rest of the protagonists come close.

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Wait, where is Vaan from 12?

Ah yes, Vaan, orphan and slayer of sewer rats. :laugh: He could totally take the Onion Knights in a fight!
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 13, 2021, 03:37:14 pm
Since Vaan isn't in that poll I'll vote for Tidus then
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: deadlyblossom on July 13, 2021, 03:48:57 pm
I voted Cloud because of his move called Cherry Blossom witch earns him the title Blossom Knight.

Hello if a male or female warrior wields a large sword he or she could be a Blossom Knight too.

Oh and I mean lead males as always so I have Locke on option 6, he could rival Zidane.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 13, 2021, 05:19:15 pm
I guess so. But you can't forget that FF5 has it's job system, meaning Bartz could be on par with any FF character from any game.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: deadlyblossom on July 13, 2021, 06:16:07 pm
What about Squall. He too looks good in black and summon Ifrit to set someone on fire.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 13, 2021, 06:20:11 pm
 :D Not unless the FF1 fighter equips some elemental-resistant equipment, like Ribbon.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Polinym on July 13, 2021, 06:40:48 pm
This is a very interesting question. Anything after IX doesn't exist to me, so thinking about this... given how FF battle systems are all roughly the same, they would all be about equal at Level 99 with access to any equipment in their game. Ultimately, I feel it would come down to being able to "game the system" with bugs, which leaves me with Butz and Locke. Locke's Vanish+Doom is effective against most things, but it takes two turns to use. Butz, on the other hand, could optimize his evasion and defense, then use Mix with Kiss of Blessing to nerf anything. With Guard and Counter as his other abilities, I think he could then be invincible against anyone as long as that works as I remember it and he can survive the first turn.

Of course, Zidane has Solution 9 and could one-shot any of the playable characters so long as he starts with a Limit Break.

Much to my dismay, Cecil would be at the bottom of the list. Tragically, anyone who isn't Kain, Rosa, or FuSoYa sucks at fighting in FF4. : (
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: deadlyblossom on July 13, 2021, 06:43:16 pm
Right I remember that Dragon Mail is best for the upgraded into Knight and beware of Excalibur but would that evenly matched with Squall's Lion heart? Sorry I never got far in 8 but got some nice tips.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 13, 2021, 07:41:40 pm
Much to my dismay, Cecil would be at the bottom of the list. Tragically, anyone who isn't Kain, Rosa, or FuSoYa sucks at fighting in FF4. : (
What about Edge? Edge is awesome
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: KdstsMgsts on July 13, 2021, 09:19:53 pm
If you mean physically strong, then I'd have to go with Cloud. A world's strongest man competitor (Robert Oburst) could barely lift a replica of the Buster Sword. Cloud holds it out in front of him and swings it around over his head (anyone who's ever lifted weights know that holding something in front of you is far harder than simply lifting it). A lot of people make "replica" Buster Swords that are extremely thin, but the one Oburst tried to lift was much more accurate and weighed almost 60kg (in theory, that's nothing to a professional strongman, but the shape makes it incredibly awkward).

Cloud would also have to be a lot heavier than he looks, because the laws of physics mean that a normal-sized man wouldn't be able to swing it around regardless of strength because it would move it centre of gravity too much.

If you mean mentally, then I'd say FF1's lead characters are the most unflappable.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 13, 2021, 09:31:01 pm
The FF1's characters all fill into the "silent generic protagonist" trope. Chrono Trigger also has a silent character without personality. But hey, the poll is about FF, not Chrono Trigger.

Right I remember that Dragon Mail is best for the upgraded into Knight and beware of Excalibur but would that evenly matched with Squall's Lion heart? Sorry I never got far in 8 but got some nice tips.

Squall has Junctions but Cloud has Materia, so I guess they're both around the same level.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Polinym on July 13, 2021, 09:52:47 pm
I just remembered that X-Magic exists! I change my answer, Locke's the strongest/most powerful. He can instakill anything he can Vanish in a single turn.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 13, 2021, 10:06:47 pm
Can't Repel/Reflect block everything, including Vanish and Doom? So any character can simply cas these two spells on himself and be safe from Locke. That is, if he gets his turn first before Locke does.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Polinym on July 13, 2021, 10:37:49 pm
Can't Repel/Reflect block everything, including Vanish and Doom? So any character can simply cas these two spells on himself and be safe from Locke. That is, if he gets his turn first before Locke does.
X-Magic and Reflect Ring. If need be, Locke Vanishes himself which Rflects onto the enemy and allows him to Doom them. Of course, if the enemy doesn't come from his game, do they have to follow the rules of his game? Hmmm...
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 13, 2021, 10:47:27 pm
Well, even if Locke can't use the Vanish+Doom he still has Steal, which (at least in FF Tactics) allows the user to steal the enemy's equipment. So he can beat the enemy by leaving him unarmed.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Jorpho on July 13, 2021, 11:05:10 pm
A lot of people make "replica" Buster Swords that are extremely thin, but the one Oburst tried to lift was much more accurate and weighed almost 60kg (in theory, that's nothing to a professional strongman, but the shape makes it incredibly awkward).
Surely it made of mithril or adamantium or some such?

What I think of is the final movie where he does that one-armed pull-up while holding Tifa, which seems very improbable with those stick-arms – but eh, he's Mako-enhanced and whatnot, and he's probably working in a zone where gravity is funny, or something.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: EvilJagaGenius on July 13, 2021, 11:20:42 pm
I know little about Final Fantasy, but I feel like the best test of strength would be to see which of these characters can suplex a train.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 13, 2021, 11:25:58 pm
I know little about Final Fantasy, but I feel like the best test of strength would be to see which of these characters can suplex a train.

What I think of is the final movie where he does that one-armed pull-up while holding Tifa, which seems very improbable with those stick-arms – but eh, he's Mako-enhanced and whatnot, and he's probably working in a zone where gravity is funny, or something.

Judging by context, I think Cloud too can suplex a train if he wanted to, he just needs the right Materia for that.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: KdstsMgsts on July 14, 2021, 12:07:29 am
Surely it made of mithril or adamantium or some such?

What I think of is the final movie where he does that one-armed pull-up while holding Tifa, which seems very improbable with those stick-arms – but eh, he's Mako-enhanced and whatnot, and he's probably working in a zone where gravity is funny, or something.

There's a mythril sword in FF7 as well, so presumably the Buster Sword isn't made out of the same material. Adamant seems to be gold-coloured in FF7 (and most other FF games).

I'm not sure whether you'd count it as canon, but the FF7: Last Order anime suggests that two normal people can't lift the Buster Sword at all; it's only SOLDIER members who can do it.

When I first saw it, the scene where he does a one-armed pull up with Tifa surprised me too! Although it makes sense if he can spin the Buster Sword around. By that point, Cloud's strength stat is pretty high too. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: 8.bit.fan on July 14, 2021, 04:07:20 am
Where's Galuf?
That man went out like a champ by taking a beating and then broke out of a forcefield to save his granddaughter in the most epic fashion!

I guess I'll vote Butz ;)
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: JKPhage on July 14, 2021, 07:52:54 am
I generally think these kind of polls are silly nonsense, because specific game mechanics and each game's unique setting make a 1:1 comparison nearly impossible. Hell, someone here already mentioned Sabin suplexing a train because the game mechanics let him suplex stuff and you fight a train, while in reality he may not be anywhere near that actual level of strength. Similarly, Bartz being able to change classes being used as an argument because he has the ability to do literally everything in terms of magic, healing, support and attack types, and even Cecil being a knight in a high fantasy setting that's somewhat realistic being compared to Tidus as a peak athlete that got even stronger in a setting that is somewhat beyond strict realism. Hell, even trying to compare magic ability when Cloud has access to materia that let's him use as much magic as he has MP for, where Squall has to draw magic and can literally run out with no way to replenish mid-battle makes using these kind of mechanics kind of disingenuous.

Mechanics aside, I'd say the best way to determine who would be "strongest" of the bunch is by looking at story-based, out of battle feats. Things like Squall and company being able to take down a being who absorbed all of time and space, or Cloud literally slicing an entire skyscraper in half come to mind. With all that considered, I waffled between Cloud and Squall, but had to come down on the side of Cloud, because of the aforementioned ability to slice literal buildings in half. If you're gonna argue your case using in-battle mechanics then it's a never-ending and unwinnable fight, because all of them can summon some manner of planet-obliterating orbital laser dragon in some manner or other in the later entries, and I'd wager that some of the earlier ones intended various dragon summons to be of similar power and scale. If we have to base it off of canonical feats of strength, I've yet to see anyone aside from Cloud pull something that ridiculous off. And I'm not even the slavering Cloud fanboy that a lot of FF7 fans are.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: deadlyblossom on July 14, 2021, 08:56:33 am
Oh C'mon you find Sabin Suplexing a train your great moment?
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: bukopandan on July 14, 2021, 09:09:34 am
Squall Leonhart, with his limit break blasting zone, he could split an entire planet by half if he wants to, ;D
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: foiopaulo on July 14, 2021, 09:23:10 am
I miss Vaan, but I'm aware that nobody would vote for him (not even himself).
Basch, on the other hand...
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Spooniest on July 14, 2021, 10:10:13 am
Define "Strong."

It seems everyone has taken it to literally mean "physical strength," but my first thought (being a writer) was to presume "strongly written." That would be a tough call, as none of the FF stories are all that well-written in my opinion. I used to think so when I was only comparing them to Super Mario Brothers, Legend of Zelda, or He-Man and The Masters of the Universe. But time has made a fool of me, as it tends to do to people.*

As far as "physical strength," none of the other characters have been genetically modified to be insanely strong before the story starts; Cloud takes the cake.

*However, if you do wanna throw Final Fantasy Tactics in the mix, Ramza is the best-written Final Fantasy protagonist, bar none. That story's a real page-turner honestly.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: jimstrom on July 14, 2021, 11:18:50 am
Voted Cecil.

He buried his past, redempted himself, became a paladin, defeated Zeromus, is a husband, a father, a king and a loyal friend.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Bregalad on July 14, 2021, 11:56:09 am
Assuming this refers to the events in the storyline (rather than performance in Battle - where it's impossible to compare among different games) - I'd go for Cecil, because of the switch from Dark Knight to Paladin.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 14, 2021, 12:31:41 pm
Assuming this refers to the events in the storyline (rather than performance in Battle - where it's impossible to compare among different games) - I'd go for Cecil, because of the switch from Dark Knight to Paladin.
I miss Vaan, but I'm aware that nobody would vote for him (not even himself).
Basch, on the other hand...
I'd have voted for Vaan (if he was in the poll), but honestly I don't like FF12's story that much. I mean, there are some moments in the game that you have the feeling that were written by a different person other than the writer for the rest of the game, it's so weird. Also, Vaan and Penelo don't make the plot go much forward but they are there nevertheless, just being dragged on, and on and on. Anyone else had this feeling with it? That game is not necessarily bad, just flawed. FF4 is one of the FFs with the best plots in my opinion, just like FF6.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: JKPhage on July 14, 2021, 01:21:34 pm
Also, Vaan and Penelo don't make the plot go much forward but they are there nevertheless, just being dragged on, and on and on.

Remember when Balthier showed up and when asked who he was he replied "I'm the leading man."? He was right. Vaan ceased to be important in any way after that moment.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: J^P on July 14, 2021, 01:57:22 pm
Jack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--bky_xjlLM)
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 14, 2021, 02:12:27 pm
Remember when Balthier showed up and when asked who he was he replied "I'm the leading man."? He was right. Vaan ceased to be important in any way after that moment.

Ah, yeah, that scene. But more shallower than FFXII's Vaan is FFII's Firion. Seriously, we don't know anything about him in-game, most of the stuff we know about his personality came from supplementary materials like guides, books and etc. I mean, he's an orphan, but apparently he's cool with having lost his parents. Maria? She's... a girl. And that's it. Other than its shallow storyline, I also dislike II for the broken battle system. Attacking yourself over and over doesn't count as real grinding.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: PresidentLeever on July 14, 2021, 03:54:56 pm
Physically or mentally/emotionally?
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 14, 2021, 07:47:39 pm
Physically or mentally/emotionally?

The poll doesn't make that clear, so go with whichever one you want
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Special on July 14, 2021, 09:30:59 pm
I demand Gilgamesh be added as lead for FF12, then demand a recount! This guy was robbed.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: deadlyblossom on July 15, 2021, 09:05:22 am
Ah, yeah, that scene. But more shallower than FFXII's Vaan is FFII's Firion. Seriously, we don't know anything about him in-game, most of the stuff we know about his personality came from supplementary materials like guides, books and etc. I mean, he's an orphan, but apparently he's cool with having lost his parents. Maria? She's... a girl. And that's it. Other than its shallow storyline, I also dislike II for the broken battle system. Attacking yourself over and over doesn't count as real grinding.

Oh please Maria was a hottie with beautiful long purple hair. Oh and about Cloud. He can only slice a motorcycle in half. And I ship him with Tifa due to their childhood friendship and that shipping is too popular. If only she admit her feeling to him saying that she loves thing would be different right. I mean Cloud's a knight and Tifa is a monk so you know the monk is second to the knight and we knew that right.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 15, 2021, 10:00:21 am
Oh please Maria was a hottie with beautiful long purple hair.
Red, if you use her NES sprite.

What about 3? No one has commented on it yet. One thing I felt it was that even with the DS remake the 4 characters were still too hollow. Maybe I'm the only one who has this feeling. III also felt a bit grindy, but not as grindy as other JRPGs from its time.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Spooniest on July 16, 2021, 02:12:45 am
(...)even with the DS remake the 4 characters were still too hollow. Maybe I'm the only one who has this feeling.

You are not. Luneth, Arc, Refia and Ingus are window dressing on an otherwise bland story having the vaguest of suggestions of the story of the Valar from the Silmarillion. (Xande, Dorga and Unne standing in for Melkor, Manwe and Varda, as near as I can figure out). However, none of that comes out in the narrative itself, which I'm still trying to suss out the theme of to this day. "Darkness and Light need to stay in balance?" Yeah duh, otherwise how can I see the TV to play Nintendo? It's dumb, and while it may seem slight, it's kind of the worst review I can give to a story. It fails to make me care about it.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Chronosplit on July 17, 2021, 08:16:33 am
Bartz, even if he's not the most inteligent, is basically any character with cheat mode on.  He can do literally anything, in the later games he can even do Necromancy and Prophecy.  Mix can even make him a dragon.

Faris would still kick his butt though.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 17, 2021, 02:06:30 pm
Bartz, even if he's not the most inteligent, is basically any character with cheat mode on.  He can do literally anything, in the later games he can even do Necromancy and Prophecy.  Mix can even make him a dragon.

V and Tactics have the best job systems in my opinion. Ramza has already been mentioned previously, but what about Marche from Tactics Advance? He can be really strong or really weak depending on how you grind him. He seems to be better suited for physical classes, not magical classes. That, or I just ain't good at that game >:(
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: deadlyblossom on July 17, 2021, 03:07:13 pm
Bartz, even if he's not the most inteligent, is basically any character with cheat mode on.  He can do literally anything, in the later games he can even do Necromancy and Prophecy.  Mix can even make him a dragon.

Faris would still kick his butt though.

No way. Faris is not gonna kick anyone's butt but monster's butt not Bartz but X-Death's butt.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Spooniest on July 17, 2021, 04:29:12 pm
No way. Faris is not gonna kick anyone's butt but monster's butt not Bartz but X-Death's butt.

I have been drunk on the regs since joining this site, and even I know how to parse English Grammar better than this. Come on. I have no idea what you just said.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 17, 2021, 04:55:18 pm
I have been drunk on the regs since joining this site, and even I know how to parse English Grammar better than this. Come on. I have no idea what you just said.
There is a possibility that he could not be a native english speaker, so don't blame him.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Spooniest on July 17, 2021, 05:10:47 pm
(Sigh)

Well, criticism makes you stronger
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 17, 2021, 08:10:19 pm
(Sigh)

Well, criticism makes you stronger

It surely does.

Back on topic, did anyone mention Benjamin from Mystic Quest yet? I didn't like that one much because it didn't feel very "Final Fantasy", it felt like a different game. Like, a game pretending to be Final Fantasy without being it.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Spooniest on July 17, 2021, 08:42:53 pm
Idk why it is, but Mystic Quest always seemed like it started life as a Saga Game. Either that, or the team that made it went on to make the Gameboy Saga Games (Aka "Final Fantasy Legend.")

It was one of the first jobs Ted Woolsey had after he was brought on board as a translator at Squaresoft, but... I mean there's a saying that if it ain't on the page, it ain't on the stage, and there definitely just wasn't much on the page, here. Mystic Quest's story is the hottest garbage.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: deadlyblossom on July 17, 2021, 09:05:28 pm
Sooniest I am a native English speaker and I don't think you're drunk.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 18, 2021, 02:29:07 am
Idk why it is, but Mystic Quest always seemed like it started life as a Saga Game. Either that, or the team that made it went on to make the Gameboy Saga Games (Aka "Final Fantasy Legend.")

It was one of the first jobs Ted Woolsey had after he was brought on board as a translator at Squaresoft, but... I mean there's a saying that if it ain't on the page, it ain't on the stage, and there definitely just wasn't much on the page, here. Mystic Quest's story is the hottest garbage.

Yeah, Benjamin felt for the most part of the game like a generic shounen hero. He doesn't have any character development whatsoever. Now that you mention the SaGa games, how about the FF Legend trilogy on Game Boy? I and II probably don't count since they had parties comprised of generic classes, but at least III had proper characters. I think SaGa 1 was even remade for the Wonderswan.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Spooniest on July 18, 2021, 02:38:36 am
He doesn't have any character development whatsoever.

I love how the game starts with him saying to the Old Man "Where's my village?" and this is NEVER brought up again, right through the closing credits sequence.

Sooniest I am a native English speaker and I don't think you're drunk.

You don't know me very well do you!? Lol

If I'm not at work or going to work, I usually am getting tipsy. I used to be FAR more obnoxious than I even am, now. Heh.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 18, 2021, 02:54:40 am
I love how the game starts with him saying to the Old Man "Where's my village?" and this is NEVER brought up again, right through the closing credits sequence.

Maybe he shrugged to that, like he does throughout the whole game. Mystic Quest was aimed at newbies to JRPGs; that wasn't an excuse for Square making a mediocre game. I'm thinking Square did that on purpose, since they were the ones behind FF6 and Chrono Trigger. I'd like to mention CT here too, but since this thread is about Final Fantasy let's keep everything on-topic, shall we?
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: deadlyblossom on July 18, 2021, 10:12:52 am
Yeah let's. So one question. You think Tidus is gonna teach 9 other lead males to play blitzball?

You know see if one of is stronger playing it.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 18, 2021, 01:13:15 pm
Yeah let's. So one question. You think Tidus is gonna teach 9 other lead males to play blitzball?
You know see if one of is stronger playing it.
If the others want to, maybe.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Bregalad on July 19, 2021, 06:25:47 am
Idk why it is, but Mystic Quest always seemed like it started life as a Saga Game. Either that, or the team that made it went on to make the Gameboy Saga Games (Aka "Final Fantasy Legend.")
I was going to say the same, most probably this is because the front-view battles, and also the development team being the same as FFL3/SaGa3, with the same "jump" functionality and other details making those 2 games alike. Heck, SaGa3 is more similar to FFMQ than it is from SaGa 1 and 2. The enemy encounter style in FFMQ is more reminicient of Romancing SaGa games than the random battles of both FF and the original SaGa trilogy.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Uberdubie on July 19, 2021, 07:42:48 am
Voted Cecil.

He buried his past, redempted himself, became a paladin, defeated Zeromus, is a husband, a father, a king and a loyal friend.

^ This.

While all the options are heroes, it makes the most sense to me defining "strength" here as the content of one's character, and their evolution via story arc start to finish.

Out of the choices given, Cecil takes it by a mile.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Spooniest on July 20, 2021, 02:44:10 am
"Redempted"

Good God. It's "redeemed," I'm sorry but it drives me insane, ok

This thread by the way merely said "Strongest Male Lead" and it didn't specify whether there could be more than one in a game; Final Fantasy VI in fact is a game specifically designed to where any of the 14 main characters could have been the lead of their own game, and this has been covered in countless interviews and retrospectives by this point.

So why is Locke the only one on the poll? Also, would you like to see a list of my other 1,342,248,910 complaints lol

"Strongly written" Cecil and Ramza.

"Brute strength" That's gonna be Cloud.

"Strong smelling" is gonna be Umaro or Gau, I bet
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: deadlyblossom on July 20, 2021, 08:06:11 am
Okay if you say so then I'll let Strago in the fun because he's the Blue Mage of 6 and if you don't have him in the party against foes who uses the lore technique you will find yourself regretting it later.

Happy now?
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: foiopaulo on July 20, 2021, 12:57:09 pm
I'd have voted for Vaan (if he was in the poll), but honestly I don't like FF12's story that much. I mean, there are some moments in the game that you have the feeling that were written by a different person other than the writer for the rest of the game, it's so weird. Also, Vaan and Penelo don't make the plot go much forward but they are there nevertheless, just being dragged on, and on and on. Anyone else had this feeling with it? That game is not necessarily bad, just flawed. FF4 is one of the FFs with the best plots in my opinion, just like FF6.

Yeah, I do feel the same. They are just riding along. And I like pretty much every character more than both of them. Especially Basch.
Penelo is my least favorite char in the game, tbh.
FF12 isn't bad, but isn't great either... But I do like it more than FF13.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 20, 2021, 04:28:57 pm
Okay if you say so then I'll let Strago in the fun because he's the Blue Mage of 6 and if you don't have him in the party against foes who uses the lore technique you will find yourself regretting it later.
What about Cyan? Cyan is awesome, his only drawback is that he must keep charging his SwdTech attacks (meaning he can take hits while in charge), but other than that he's very strong.

Yeah, I do feel the same. They are just riding along. And I like pretty much every character more than both of them. Especially Basch.
Penelo is my least favorite char in the game, tbh.
FF12 isn't bad, but isn't great either... But I do like it more than FF13.
But Lightning from FF13 is a woman, she couldn't be in the poll. Or are you referring to Snow Villiers?
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Uberdubie on July 20, 2021, 05:54:26 pm
What about Cyan? Cyan is awesome, his only drawback is that he must keep charging his SwdTech attacks (meaning he can take hits while in charge), but other than that he's very strong.

Great point.

I'd personally pick Cyan over Sabin.  Suplexing a train is a pretty damn 'strong' thing to do (he'd DEFINITELY win if we were voting for most 'cool points' lol), but Cyan's story in conjunction with your points -- losing everything he had around him and still finding the resolve to keep going with the memory of his loved ones always with him -- makes him the stronger pick imo.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Spooniest on July 21, 2021, 03:46:27 am
What about Cyan? Cyan is awesome, his only drawback is that he must keep charging his SwdTech attacks (meaning he can take hits while in charge), but other than that he's very strong.

What I've never understood is why nobody else but me gets that you're supposed to input the other 3 characters' commands first, and while they're all doing their things, that's your window to charge Cyan's Attack, if you wanna?

Also, Fang (Aka "Dispatch") is his Level 1 SwdTech and you can just fire that one right off without even thinking about it. It's unblockable, pierces all defense and looks cool as hell. He's a fuckin tank. Not to mention, having close-to-Sabin levels of HP at that early stage of the game means a lot of HP.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 21, 2021, 05:06:22 am
What I've never understood is why nobody else but me gets that you're supposed to input the other 3 characters' commands first, and while they're all doing their things, that's your window to charge Cyan's Attack, if you wanna?

You must've left your comfort zone and thinked outside the box, something not everyone can or wants to do.

Also, Fang (Aka "Dispatch") is his Level 1 SwdTech and you can just fire that one right off without even thinking about it. It's unblockable, pierces all defense and looks cool as hell. He's a fuckin tank. Not to mention, having close-to-Sabin levels of HP at that early stage of the game means a lot of HP.

Nah, my favourite skills are Quadra Slam and Quadra Slice. They look cool and deal a nice amount of damage.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Spooniest on July 21, 2021, 08:52:00 am
Since magic can be a liability in the Coliseum and there is an NPC on the Northeast side of Vector who clues you in that General Leo specifically refused to undergo Magitek Infusion, I always keep Cyan Magic-Free until I get Odin (cuz he's got a low Speed Stat and Odin boosts Speed).

So, Cyan is basically just cheap damage for me. Love the guy ^_^
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 21, 2021, 11:25:23 am
Technically you can beat the game without giving anyone Espers and only the magic that already came with the characters, such as Celes and Terra. Doesn't mean it's going to be easier that way, however.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: foiopaulo on July 21, 2021, 01:05:37 pm
But Lightning from FF13 is a woman, she couldn't be in the poll. Or are you referring to Snow Villiers?

No, just saying my general opinion about the games... hehehe   ;D
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 21, 2021, 01:09:20 pm
No, just saying my general opinion about the games... hehehe   ;D
It's ok :)
One question... does Final Fantasy Adventure/Seiken Densetsu count as a FF game to deserve it's mention in the thread? I think it, alongside the SaGa games that were talked about previously in the thread were both made into FF games just to get some cash from the IP.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Spooniest on July 21, 2021, 05:14:24 pm
It's ok :)
One question... does Final Fantasy Adventure/Seiken Densetsu count as a FF game to deserve it's mention in the thread? I think it, alongside the SaGa games that were talked about previously in the thread were both made into FF games just to get some cash from the IP.

A fair question. There are Moogles in it, after all.
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 21, 2021, 05:38:19 pm
A fair question. There are Moogles in it, after all.

What about the cyborg chocobo that was "repaired" by Dr.Bowow?
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Spooniest on July 22, 2021, 01:31:28 am
What about the cyborg chocobo that was "repaired" by Dr.Bowow?

Also, a Red Mage helper friend and a Dark Knight, rather uninventively titled "DarkLord."
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Jorpho on July 22, 2021, 01:36:46 am
I'm very surprised that chocobot hasn't turned up in more media. (No, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBXIoo3BEso does not count.)
Title: Re: The Strongest Lead Male in Final Fantasy.
Post by: Lusofonia on July 22, 2021, 05:57:50 pm
Also, a Red Mage helper friend and a Dark Knight, rather uninventively titled "DarkLord."
According to Legends of Localization, he was meant to be named Darknight all along.
I'm very surprised that chocobot hasn't turned up in more media.
I know right, I also wish Square did something with a PSX game called "Einhander". It's a shoot'em up with good graphics, nice soundtrack and an interesting story. Also, the bosses there all say stuff in the badass German language, that game is SO awesome. But Square hasn't done anything with the franchise yet, to the point there's not a sequel. And by a sequel I'm not referring to their usual strategy of making a new game with similar gameplay and reusing story assets (like in FF), I'm meaning a true continuation of the plot.