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Title: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: Googie on July 12, 2021, 01:24:03 pm
I never owned a Commodore 64, and my friend on FB mentioned to me and it was the first system he owned before the NES. So I did a search and found this emulator (http://www.ccs64.com/) for C64, I saw pictures of it and it looks pretty cool. So I wanna ask you fellas something...

What games do you recommend that are good for the C64? The only game I know about is that SMB knockoff something sisters. Thanks for the tips, fellas.  :D :cookie: :crazy:   
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: Jorpho on July 12, 2021, 03:45:07 pm
The C64 was the first system I emulated, 'round about 25 years ago. It was fascinating.

These days, though, games you could play on a C64 emulator might be better played in other ways – Paradroid, Drol, Impossible Mission, Boulder Dash, Space Taxi, Jumpman, and The Last Ninja all have superior ports and/or remakes. Even Bruce Lee (https://bruce-lee-ii.en.uptodown.com/windows) and The Great Giana Sisters, which you mention – though frankly I think it is vastly overrated. 

So Project Firestart is the first thing that comes to mind. Lot of fans of that one.
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: Starscream on July 13, 2021, 10:55:29 am
CCS64 is afaik the ZSNES of C64 emulators, it might be kinda outdated. Vice used to be the SNES9x equivalent, but I think it might have gotten more accurate since a rewrite, and the supposed accurate choices like Hoxs64 or Micro64 were focused on PAL.

Anyway, some of the games I liked:

Black Hawk
Bulldog
Sentinel (by Synapse, not to be confused with THE Sentinel by Firebird which you'd rather play on a 16bit platform)
Lazy Jones
Castles of Dr. Creep
Mafia
Rad Warrior / Sacred Armour of Antiriad
Seven Cities of Gold & Heart of Africa
Lords of Chaos
Saboteur 1+2

Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: Jorpho on July 13, 2021, 11:15:25 am
I was just thinking I forgot Castles of Dr. Creep. By no means revolutionary, but it has a certain charm.

Wizard/Ultimate Wizard also comes to mind, but I could never really get into it, possibly because I played too much Jumpman.

Home of the Underdogs suggests Sword of Fargoal,  Alternate Reality: The City , The Legend of Blacksilver, and Crush, Crumble & Chomp!. (Much of the Epyx catalog is probably worth consideration, really.)
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: DragonAtma on July 13, 2021, 12:14:05 pm
Lords of Conquest
Seven Cities of Gold
Jumpman
Racing Destruction Set

There are other games, of course (many games were ported to the C64 in those days, such as Bubble Bobble and Ultima: Quest of the Avatar), but those games stick out in my mind.
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: FAST6191 on July 13, 2021, 03:27:38 pm
Still have my C64.

Games wise.
Street Surfer. Of all the "race to the horizon" games this is probably one of my favourites of any system.
The version of Toobin it got was by no means the best but it is the one I think about when someone says it.

Others have said some good stuff but those are the ones I would look at if I am to hook mine back up or sort out an emulator.
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: thr on July 14, 2021, 05:47:22 am
not many strict exclusives on the c64, but c64 ports were often better than what you had on other computers from the time, including PC DOS conversions. the loading times were a pain, but it's a non-issue nowadays, with fast-loaders, fast-forwards, snapshots and all that.
c64 boasts a huge collection of games, with several thousand commercially released titles, plus just as many homebrew games that were released since then and are still being made to this day. (http://www.indieretronews.com/search/label/C64)
anyway, here's a rough, short list of some games i'd think are still good to play, or at least to appreciate for a while. some of these came out on C128 too, or better yet, on Amiga, so it's usually best to play the versions for these more powerful computers instead. not always tho. and there's lots of overlap between genres, but whatever, here goes:

arcade/platformer/metroidvania:
Rick Dangerous 1&2
Turrican
Cybernoid 1&2
Draconus
Uridium
Exolon
Myth
Montezuma's Revenge
Creatures 1&2
Exile
Monty Mole, Monty on the Run, Auf Wiedersehen Monty
Stormlord
Zamzara
Shogun

adventure/mixed genre/whatever:
Pirates!
Defender of the Crown
Batman: The Caped Crusader
Fairlight
Alice in Wonderland
, Below the Root
Iron Lord
The Great Escape
Head Over Heels
Mercenary
1&2
Captain Blood
Neuromancer
Shard of Inovar
, Kobayashi Naru, Venom, Majik
Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders
Castle Master & Total Eclipse
Magic Knight games: Finders Keepers, Spellbound, Knight Tyme and Stormbringer
"Wally" series: Everyone's a Wally, Pyjamarama, Herbert's Dummy Run, Three Weeks in Paradise.
all Dizzy games
Jack the Nipper
Sim City

Spy vs Spy trilogy – good for 2-player splitscreen

mystery/detective:
Crime Time
Killed Until Dead
The Fourth Protocol
The Detective
Murder on the Mississippi
Elvira
1&2

VNs/text adventures:
The Growing Pains of Adrian Mole
The Three Musketeers
The Pawn
, Guild of Thieves, Fish!, Corruption
Nine Princes in Amber
Mindfighter
Borrowed Time
Fahrenheit 451
Kayleth
Valkyrie 17
Bugsy


RPGs:
Phantasie trilogy
Mars Saga
Battletech
Space Rogue
Keys to Maramon
Centauri Alliance
Times of Lore
Windwalker
King's Bounty


still missed a ton, but hey, can't go on forever.
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: MontyMole on July 15, 2021, 10:56:31 am
Still have my C64 and a bunch of tapes too, mostly Commodore Format cover tapes.

Off the top of my head these are what I played the most back then.

Shooters.

Armalyte
Denarius
Gaplus

Platformers
 
Monty Mole / Monty on the Run. (of course)
Bubble Bobble / New Zealand Story Rainbow Islands
Jack The Nipper II in Coconut Capers
Wonderboy
Top Duck. A MR. Do!s Castle clone.
Terry's big adventure
Bounty Bob Strikes back

Racing

Buggy boy

Breakout clones

Arkanoid
Pulsoid

Everything else

Ancipital, Sheep in Space, light synthesizer. In fact most stuff Jeff Minter put out is worth it.
Pacmania
Boulderdash

Also thanks to homebrew developers and a good 30+ years of knowing the system inside out there are ports of Super Mario Bros and
Eye Of the Beholder http://www.indieretronews.com/2021/03/eye-of-beholder-c64-early-beta-footage.html (http://www.indieretronews.com/2021/03/eye-of-beholder-c64-early-beta-footage.html)
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: Jorpho on July 15, 2021, 03:23:38 pm
Oh, I forgot about Krakout – one of the better Breakout clones, but still ultimately just a Breakout clone.

Monty on the Run indubitably had some excellent music, but I don't see how anyone could stand those awful old British platformers anymore when there are much better ways to spend one's time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEE8203hmBQ
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: Asaki on July 29, 2021, 04:36:07 am
These days, though, games you could play on a C64 emulator might be better played in other ways...

Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. I didn't get much into C64 as a kid (a friend had one, but could never get half of the disks to work), but nowadays, it seems like a whole lot of the "must play" games for the platform are just ports of ZX Spectrum games, or arcade ports, or Apple II ports, etc. etc.

SID chip seems to be a huge incentive for a lot of people, though.

Home of the Underdogs suggests Sword of Fargoal...

Yes, Sword of Fargoal is a great game, especially if you're into Roguelikes (which SoF predates).
...though I kind of like the Vic-20 version better, because the mazes are smaller and easier =)
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: aqualung on July 29, 2021, 08:51:40 pm
I remember having a blast with Usagi Yojimbo on my older brother's C64 back in the day. I loved that, apart from the usual arcade action, you could interact with some characters, speak to them, give them money, enter buildings...

I also looked forward to any coin-op arcade conversions I could find: Wonder Boy, Commando, Combat School, Psycho Soldier, Bionic Commando... And well-known across Commodore machines such as Turrican, etc.
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: Jorpho on July 30, 2021, 01:37:48 am
Heh. Remember how the C64 got one of the only two conversions of The Simpsons arcade game? (But why one Earth would you play it that way when you can use MAME nowadays?)

For some reason I am now suddenly reminded of Forbidden Forest, which still has lots of fans – though I couldn't make heads or tails of it the first time I saw it. Looks much more appealing in a Youtube video, I think.

And that makes me think of The Rats, which is apparently well-regarded in terms of early survival horror.

Also I never mentioned Frantic Freddie, though that's really probably only appealing due to my own nostalgia.
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: tc on July 30, 2021, 02:55:11 am
I vaguely remember Bubble Bobble. The board game Risk is colorful. Boulderdash was pretty good, yeah.

Don't think I played the crude looking C64 version of Simcity...

Price differences created an odd status quo. Many European C64 games are on tape, whereas America usually used floppies.
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: PresidentLeever on July 31, 2021, 09:46:45 am
IK+
Mayhem in Monster Land
Turrican 1-2
Pirates!
Archon
Exile
Bruce Lee
Paradroid
Bubble Bobble
Airborne Ranger
Impossible Mission
Project Firestart
Boulder Dash
Katakis
Samurai Warrior
Space Taxi
Arnie
Creatures 2
Below the Root
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: Asaki on August 01, 2021, 12:29:49 am
Don't think I played the crude looking C64 version of Simcity...
Yeah, it is a bit crude...I don't remember if it actually is just a prototype that got published or not, but it definitely feels like it is.
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: PolishedTurd on August 01, 2021, 04:14:39 pm
I didn't know anyone who had a C64, but I had gotten the misleading impression that the NES/SNES mini consoles could run an emulator for it. I made a list of the games I wanted to try, but unfortunately, I have misplaced my notes.

So here's what I did: I found a video where someone plays every game for the console for about 10 seconds each. Run that video at 2x speed so it doesn't take all day, hit the right arrow key to fast-forward the duds, and note the games that look fun to play. Sorry I can't be more help than that.

The system has a great sound chip, too. It sounds fantastic.
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: Googie on August 23, 2021, 02:18:39 pm
Thanks for the feedback everybody, I really appreciate the help! :D

I'm gonna get those games starting tonight, and during the week when I'm not working. :beer:
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: minucce on August 29, 2021, 09:56:41 pm
Homebrew scene is active and alive
http://www.indieretronews.com/search/label/C64


(...)
- Newcomer
- Hibernated
- Sam's Journey
- Knight 'n Grail
- Soulless
- Gates of the Ancient
- L'Abbaye des Morts
- 8bit Slicks
- Pains 'n Aches
- Vegetables Deluxe
- Get 'em DX
- Quod Init Exit
- Bruce Lee: Return of Fury
- Commando Arcade SE


(---)
- Autoduel
- Beach Head
- Ghetto Blaster
- Grog's Revenge
- Knight Games
- Law of the West
- Little Computer People
- Orion
- Parallax
- Raid Over Moscow
- Serpent's Star
- Summer Games
- Who Dares Wins 2
- Winter Games
- Wizball


C64 has lasting appeal to me for its creativity. Sound chip was a bonus.
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: Tarosuke on August 31, 2021, 04:05:34 pm
Lazy Jones
Ghostbusters
Raid Over Moscow
The Way of the Exploding Fist
Monty on the Run
Thing on a Spring
Uridium
Hunchback
The Human Race
Commando
Impossible Mission
Kung Fu Master
Bombjack
Revenge of the Mutant Camels
Pitfall
Batman: The Movie
Gauntlet
Track and Field
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: PresidentLeever on August 31, 2021, 04:48:16 pm
Knight 'n Grail (2009 homebrew) and its sequel
Title: Re: So I'm Giving C64 Emulaton a Try
Post by: The Beaky Buccaneer on September 02, 2021, 05:50:01 pm
3D Pinball: Pinball Power (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HnCFFhoCUA) - A simple but fun video pinball game with some early 3D-looking trickery, including the ability to adjust the camera-angle to your tastes. It used the two "C=" keys, situated on either end of the keyboard, to control the flippers in a way that felt similar to a real pinball machine, which was an immersive little idea at the time.

Bubble Dizzy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxFYJuCCgQw) - An arcade-style game in the Dizzy franchise, where you have to climb up from the ocean floor using bubbles of different speeds and sizes before your oxygen runs out. This was available on several systems and was a mini-game in The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy for the NES, but I've always been fond of this particular version and its bubbly/fizzy-sounding music.

The Caverns of Eriban (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVHDZTy1GPo) - Interesting side-viewed space-flight game where you have to pick up and deliver supplies within a large maze-like cavern, whilst trying not to crash. Features a distinctive chiptune version of Mercury, the Winged Messenger from Holst's The Planets suite as its theme.

Guns 'n' Ghosts (http://binaryzone.org/retrostore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_5&products_id=264) - A Halloweenish modern homebrew title in the vein of single-screen arcade-games such as Bubble Bobble. Has two characters with different abilities (one who uses guns, one who uses psychic zaps), plus a simultaneous two-player mode.

Nebulus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9YFuNeKtY) - A platformer whose stages are rotating towers that must be climbed. Also ported to other systems under the names Castelian, Kyorochan Land (it was reskinned into a candy-licensed game for the Japanese release), and Tower Toppler.

Park Patrol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBpwfoDA-cs) - An unusual game about a park ranger keeping the park clean and its guests safe. It has ridiculously catchy music. Props to you if you can master the log-rolling mechanic - it's quite tricky!

Platman Worlds (http://binaryzone.org/retrostore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_5&products_id=319) - A modern homebrew platformer featuring a Pac-Man-lookalike character in a side-viewed flick-screen world. Tougher than it looks!

Santa's Xmas Caper (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9StiHqYpPS0) - Not the greatest shooter ever, but a festive novelty, since you don't see too many Christmas-themed "cute 'em ups" out there. Not to be confused with the versions for other computers - they're all different games that were released with the same title and box-art.

Scooby-Doo & Scrappy-Doo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbHuD4p2PQw) - A short-but-sweet four-level NES-style platformer (something that was becoming in-demand at the time as the cartridge-based consoles and their platforming mascots began to take root in the UK) starring Scrappy-Doo, which can get quite tough towards the end. Not to be confused with the earlier Scooby-Doo game, which is awful. Also not to be confused with the Atari ST/Amiga version of Scooby-Doo & Scrappy-Doo, which is a completely different game.

Yogi's Great Escape (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg4MTR8qMkQ) - Another one of those sort-of-NES-like platform games, this time using the Yogi Bear license. Not to be confused with the numerous other Yogi Bear games on the system.

I also second the suggestions for Creatures, Impossible Mission, Jack the Nipper II: Coconut Capers, Little Computer People (make sure that you use the disk version and not the tape version, though - the tape version is missing a number of features and only offers a plain nameless Little Computer Person for you to interact with, whereas the disk version came in many variants with different names and looks for the person), Mayhem in Monsterland, Samurai Warrior: The Battles of Usagi Yojimbo (which is even better if you're already familiar with Miyamoto Usagi from his own comics or his cameo appearances in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise), and Zamzara (and its phenomenal music!).