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Title: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on July 13, 2020, 06:21:19 am
I want to brush up on my knowledge of the late 80s-early 90s games in these genres. Will be playing some of these after I finish Within a Deep Forest and that Toejam & Earl remake probably.

Which do you like best and which seem like the more important/relevant ones to play today?

D/Generation (AMI/PC, 1991)
Esper Dream (FDS, 1987)(fan translated)
Starflight (PC (1986/MD, 1991 (Remake)) - MD
Paradroid 90 (AMI, 1990/AST)(Remake)
Xak: The Art of Visual Stage (PC-88/PC-98/MSX, 1989/PCE CD, 1992)(fan translated on MSX) - SNES?
Radia Senki: Reimeihen (NES, 1991)
Dungeon Explorer II (PCE CD, 1993)
Little Big Adventure/Relentless: Twinsen's Adventure (PC, 1994/PS1, 1997/iOS, 2014) - steam remaster?
Mystic Towers (PC, 1994)
Dungeon Explorer (MCD ver., 1994)

Moonstone (AMI/PC, 1991)?
Esper Dream 2 (NES, 1992)
Star Control II: The Ur-Quan Masters (PC, 1992/3DO, 1994)
Eggerland Mystery 2 (MSX, 1986)
Cowboy Kid (NES, 1991)
The Lone Ranger (NES, 1991)
Willow (NES, 1989)? - Started playing but got bored last time
Shiryou Sensen: War of the Dead Part 2 (MSX, 1988/PC-88, 1989)?
Xak II: Rising of the Redmoon (MSX, 1990/PCE CD, 1992)
Little Ninja Brothers (NES, 1989)?

The Twisted Tales of Spike McFang (SNES)
Al-Qadim/Al Qadim: The Genie's Curse (PC, 1994)
Xak III: The Eternal Recurrence (PC-98/FMT, 1993/PCE CD, 1994)
StarTropics (NES, 1990)? - w/ hack? Made it about halfway before
Jajamaru Gekimaden: Maboroshi no Kinmajou (NES, 1990)(fan translated)
Ninja Taro/Sengoku Ninja-Kun (GB, 1991)?
Xak: The Tower of Gazzel/"Xak 2.5" (MSX/PC-88/PC-98, 1991)
Super Ninja Boy/Super Chinese World (SNES, 1991)?
Super Chinese World 2: Uchuu Ichibuto Daikai (SNES, 1993)
Heimdall 2 (PCs, 1994)?

There's some more but that seemed like a good place to cut off.

Oh and if you want to link to your review of a game go ahead.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: Badseed on July 13, 2020, 11:34:22 am
If I had to pick one from your list, it would definitely be Willow for the NES. Not the but best RPG by far but there is a big nostalgia factor there for me. I've always loved rgps and I loved the movie so the game seemed like a great fit. Like I said earlier not the best but I remember putting many hours into it to finally finish it when I was a little kid.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: thr on July 13, 2020, 01:36:00 pm
LBA and Al-Quadim are pretty good. D/Generation is interesting too.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on July 13, 2020, 01:37:00 pm
Yeah I did like how Willow looked and sounded, and I guess it controlled fine but got bored with the simple dungeons and dead space. Didn't know it had a use-based leveling system for weapons though. Well I'll try all of them eventually.

thr, have you played the new release of LBA on Steam? I had some issues with the controls in the original version.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: thr on July 13, 2020, 03:11:17 pm
the 'enhanced edition' of LBA 1 comes with controller support and a less awkward control scheme, so i guess you should be good here.
but LBA 2 doesn't have an enhanced edition, so it's keyboard-only and comes with the original controls. joytokey should help with controller support. the control scheme takes a bit to get used to, but i think it's slightly improved from the original LBA 1. the second part is the better one, so i'd recommend you go for it anyway, if you like the first one.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: Jorpho on July 13, 2020, 03:49:09 pm
My pick would be The Ur-Quan Masters.  You'll probably want to try to track down the freeware HD version, or at least one of its open-source predecessors, rather than going for the original PC version.

I've been intrigued by D/Generation for a long time.  There's an HD version on Steam these days, but it seems a lot of people think it lacks the charm of the original.

Paradroid sounds really neat as well, though it's hard to select from all the different remakes and derivatives.

Mystic Towers looks like an exercise in pain and frustration.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on July 13, 2020, 05:10:47 pm
I'll probably try Star Control 2 first, it was recommended elsewhere too and I like that style of ship combat as well as interactive dialogue so it seems like a good fit. Or Xak 1, since it's like Ys and I like the music.

Thanks for the replies so far!
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: thr on July 13, 2020, 06:23:23 pm
if you guys are into SC, definitely look at Space Rangers too. the original is from 2002, so doesn't exactly fit into the '90s category, but close enough. and it's just so good that i simply had to chime in to mention it as well. there's a HD remake available, so it's probably the version to aim for.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on July 13, 2020, 07:11:16 pm
Apparently I own that one on GOG already. Noice.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: aqualung on July 13, 2020, 07:33:26 pm
I don't see in the list but, have you played "Another Treasure Island" yet? It's a snes adventure game which is really good. It was translated to English.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on July 13, 2020, 07:36:14 pm
Marvelous right? It's definitely on my TP list for later, it looks really cool. Just focusing on the late 80s-early 90s period for now.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: SleepyFist on July 19, 2020, 06:59:45 pm
It's nothing special but I'd recommend Rolans Curse 2, it's a neat little ARPG for the gameboy, the actual rpg elements are lite and the game is fairly linear but it's a fun time, it was made by Sammy who were more known for shmups iirc, but it seems like they took a weird little detour where they put out a few of these before before going back to business as usual.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on July 19, 2020, 07:21:16 pm
That's one I've played but yeah, solid game for the GB with nice sprites and some nice music as well.

I'm currently going through Xak 1 on SNES, will probably finish it tomorrow. It's not a bad update to the MSX game, but they could've done a bit more to update it for the 16-bit gen. PCE CD version also seems good, but you don't wanna play this untranslated due to important dialogue choices where you can die or prematurely end the game if you say the wrong thing and repeated fetch quests.

Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on August 07, 2020, 04:50:47 am
My pick would be The Ur-Quan Masters.  You'll probably want to try to track down the freeware HD version, or at least one of its open-source predecessors, rather than going for the original PC version.

I've been intrigued by D/Generation for a long time.  There's an HD version on Steam these days, but it seems a lot of people think it lacks the charm of the original.

Paradroid sounds really neat as well, though it's hard to select from all the different remakes and derivatives.

Mystic Towers looks like an exercise in pain and frustration.

In UQM, is there a way to toggle higher game speed or fast-forward during auto-pilot travel between systems?
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: Jorpho on August 07, 2020, 01:20:35 pm
In UQM, is there a way to toggle higher game speed or fast-forward during auto-pilot travel between systems?
I haven't a clue. I never got around to playing it myself.

Considering it is open source, popular, and fairly old, I would expect someone would have resolved to fix that problem somewhere along the way.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on August 07, 2020, 02:55:52 pm
Oh ok haha. I'm playing it now, was struggling for a while as it's a lot to take in and is kind of hostile to the player similar to how Fallout 1-2 were. But I'm doing better now.

Yeah I'll ask around and see. A quest log would also be really helpful in this game.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: RickkyJaden on August 09, 2020, 04:40:33 am
what about ultima? did you try it?
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on August 10, 2020, 10:50:26 am
^Which one?
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: cccmar on August 10, 2020, 01:55:15 pm
Esper Dream 2 with a translation is quite good. It's not a long game, it's also definitely better than the first one on the FDS. I don't think you have to play the first one to get what's going on.

Have you tried Getsu Fuuma Den? It's also pretty good, maybe except for the mazes, but I really enjoyed my playthrough way back when.

Lone Ranger and Cowboy Kid are also quite interesting, if short. Cowboy Kid is essentially like Goemon 2 (you could try that one as well with a translation - it's probably the same/very similar engine). Lone Ranger reminds me of Getsu Fuuma Den a lot, just in the Wild West. Good stuff. :)
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: RickkyJaden on August 10, 2020, 02:49:06 pm
^Which one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_Online exactly this  :huh:
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on August 11, 2020, 06:59:39 am
It's not from the late 80s-early 90s period and it's not an ARPG? :huh:

@cccmar:
Cool, I'll try the first but yeah ED2 does look way better.

I have tried Getsu but didn't enjoy it that much and got lost at some point. Might try it again sometime though.

Thanks!
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: thr on August 11, 2020, 01:38:08 pm
i think the only Ultimas that could qualify as ARPGs would be the Underworld sub-series. i also recall Ultima 8 was criticized for being too action-oriented when it came out, so perhaps it could be considered here as well.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: Jorpho on August 11, 2020, 01:41:03 pm
There's also Ultima: Runes of Virtue 1 & 2. They were originally for the Game Boy, but the second one is on the SNES as well.  The first one got a lengthy writeup in the Nintendo Power Game Boy Player's Guide back in the day; it often intrigued me.

I hear the SNES version of U7 is also very different from the computer versions and is much more action-oriented. Likewise the SNES version of Savage Empire, but that's Japan-only.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: KoopaTroopa76 on August 13, 2020, 04:48:19 am
I haven't played any of those games yet. I guess I have some work to do...
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on August 13, 2020, 08:26:20 am
I haven't played any of those games yet. I guess I have some work to do...

Not all of them are gems but I'd recommend D/Generation (on Amiga) and Star Control 2 so far. You can get the port of the 3DO version of SC2 back to PC, Ur-Quan Masters, for free and it's mostly superior to the PC one.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: Jorpho on August 13, 2020, 10:58:23 am
I'd recommend D/Generation (on Amiga)
Is the Amiga version the superior choice?
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: thr on August 13, 2020, 11:23:52 am
when this first came out, Amiga had the best hardware in comparison to other platforms then (Atari and DOS). there are actually three versions of this game for Amiga computers. AGA (Amiga 4000 and newer) and Amiga CD32 versions feature 256 colours and better sound compared to the first 32-colour Amiga version of D/Generation. so i guess Amiga CD32 variant would be the best choice here.

the newly released HD version is criticized for its lack of polish, bugs, lack of charm and style, and some superfluous changes from the original.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: Jorpho on August 13, 2020, 12:28:26 pm
when this first came out, Amiga had the best hardware in comparison to other platforms then (Atari and DOS).
While that was certainly true at some points in the past, wasn't DOS mostly caught up by then?
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: thr on August 13, 2020, 01:50:02 pm
While that was certainly true at some points in the past, wasn't DOS mostly caught up by then?
it's hard to follow the exact advances in hardware during these early years, the PC platform moved fast to outdistance the earlier microcomputer model. but i'd say in 1991 DOS-based PCs and late Amiga computers had roughly on par graphics. what Amiga really shined in was its high quality audio capabilities. the first Sound Blaster that could play CD-quality audio came out in late 1991. by then, Amiga could do better than that for years, thanks to its numerous audio expansions.
you can hear that by quickly comparing youtube playthroughs of both versions. there's high-quality Amiga audio compared with buzzer-like DOS sounds.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on August 13, 2020, 03:55:41 pm
thr is right about this game at least; I'd say PC surpassed Amiga from 1993 onwards (with Doom's release basically). Some adventure games like King's Quest 5 and Beneath a Steel Sky also looked better on PC.

But my reason for recommending that version was simply the arrow key controls which let you press two directions at once for easy diagonal movement - It's either not there on DOS or it's hard to activate, meaning you have to use 7, 9, 1, 3 on the numpad for diagonal movement and that kinda sucks.

It plays faster on DOS than in the original AMI version but this also makes some parts with tight timing harder, and the game is pretty hard already.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: thr on August 13, 2020, 04:15:39 pm
It plays faster on DOS than in the original AMI version but this also makes some parts with tight timing harder, and the game is pretty hard already.
if you're using dosbox, your default timings may be set too high. they can be adjusted with CTRL+F11 (slower) and CTRL+F12 (faster).
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on August 13, 2020, 05:50:54 pm
Yeah maybe you're right, I just compared it to some YT footage which could be too fast as well.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on December 08, 2020, 01:38:42 pm
Thoughts on these?:
Efera & Jiliora Emblem From Darkness
Karakuri Kengoden Musashi Lord Karakuri Jin Hashiru
Ultima: Runes of Virtue 1-2
Famicom Jump II Saikyou no 7 Nin
Ninja Boy 2
The Summoning
Darkmere
Veil of Darkness
Magicoal
Ruin: Kami no Isan

Brandish 2 PC-98
Equinox
Etoile Princesse
Ecstatica
StarTropics 2
King's Field 1-3
Brandish 3
Monster Max
Brain Lord
Basted

Götzendiener
Dragonstone
Blood Gear
Cybermage: Darklight Awakening
Shining Wisdom
Big Sky Trooper
Addams Family Values
Rejoice: Aretha Oukoku no Kanata
Ladystalker
Crystal Beans from Dungeon Explorer

Super Chinese World 3
Legend of Oasis
Linkle Liver Story
Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain
Brandish VT
Speris Legacy
Indiana Jones Desktop Adventure and Yoda Stories
The Faery Tale Adventure 2
Mageslayer
Community Pom

Granstream Saga
Lands of Lore 2
ES: Battlespire
Sub Culture
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: Jorpho on December 08, 2020, 02:47:36 pm
Lots of good choices there.

Avoid the GBC port of Yoda Stories; by all accounts it is greatly inferior to the Windows version, which really wasn't to everyone's taste to begin with.  But I kind of liked it.
Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: Sliver X on December 08, 2020, 05:49:49 pm
I enjoyed Radia Senki enough to have played through it twice in my life (First in the late 90s when the translation was released and again about three years ago).

Title: Re: What to play next? (retro AA & ARPG edition)
Post by: PresidentLeever on December 09, 2020, 05:04:27 am
Nice, I started playing it a couple of weeks ago and it seems quite good so will try to finish it before moving on.