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Title: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: RHDNBot on January 02, 2019, 10:09:16 pm
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Update By: Pennywise

Today aishsha, paul_met and Pennywise present a completed Sega Saturn translation for Linkle Liver Story.

The translation began last year and has now finally seen a release with hacking by paul_met, translation by aishsha and the script editing by Pennywise. It is complete and should be issue free.

At its heart the game is just a simple Action RPG and features nice 2D graphics, a cute and charming story that is now fully translated, a rarity for the Sega Saturn.

The team would like to note that they never figured out the meaning of the title Linkle Liver. The best guess was that it was just some cute marketing ploy, but the game makes no mention of such text in the game or in the manual, which they have graciously translated as well. Maybe one day...

Special thanks to FlashPV and Lestat for the new title logo and Xanathis and cccmar for testing.

Expect more good things to come.

Relevant Link (http://aishsha.blogspot.com/2019/01/linkle-liver-story-released.html)
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: xnamkcor on January 02, 2019, 10:37:18 pm
Is it Laiber or Libber?

I for one wouldn't mind trying some Liver Links.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: mikeprado30 on January 02, 2019, 10:49:41 pm
I love so much games with those looks  :happy: Hope to check it this weekend.

Thanks guys for this effort.  Nice way to begin this year :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Tom on January 02, 2019, 11:37:55 pm
Why is the patch not available through romhacking.net?
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Pennywise on January 02, 2019, 11:49:49 pm
I believe the patch is larger than 30MB which is due in part to the intro video being reencoded.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Tom on January 03, 2019, 12:43:11 am
I believe the patch is larger than 30MB which is due in part to the intro video being reencoded.

Ah, yes. The Promise of Haruhi Suzumiya for the PSP had the same problem.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: filler on January 03, 2019, 01:42:11 am
I believe the patch is larger than 30MB which is due in part to the intro video being reencoded.
Ah, yes. The Promise of Haruhi Suzumiya for the PSP had the same problem.

You know, we are paying for this site now. Perhaps that money could go toward hosting larger patches for disc based systems like these.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: paul_met on January 03, 2019, 02:19:30 am
Ah, yes. The Promise of Haruhi Suzumiya for the PSP had the same problem.
Is that a problem?
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: aishsha on January 03, 2019, 02:47:41 am
Why is the patch not available through romhacking.net?
The game page is actually still queue for submission to RHDN lol :) But yeah, external links will be there since the intro had to be redone.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Tom on January 03, 2019, 03:12:44 am
Is that a problem?

Actually, the size wasn't the only problem. Haruhi's patch contained subtitled versions of the movies. As far as I know, patches aren't allowed to contain any copyrighted content, but the patch contained the actual animated scenes, and thus it couldn't be provided through this site. The movies' inclusion made the patch large, but the copyrighted content was really what made it a no-show for this site.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: paul_met on January 03, 2019, 05:21:57 am
Actually, the size wasn't the only problem. Haruhi's patch contained subtitled versions of the movies. As far as I know, patches aren't allowed to contain any copyrighted content, but the patch contained the actual animated scenes, and thus it couldn't be provided through this site. The movies' inclusion made the patch large, but the copyrighted content was really what made it a no-show for this site.
Oh man, I wish I had your troubles. :happy:
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: noneother on January 03, 2019, 05:48:57 am
Just gonna add that it was made in part by the same folks as Crusader of Centy / Soleil on Genesis, which is why it was on my radar. Really didn't expect that translation to just pop out one day, that's really cool.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Special T on January 03, 2019, 07:44:21 am
Thank you to everyone involved. I love the Saturn it's my favorite system so I really enjoy discovering new games that I haven't played in English.

Also, thank you for translating the manual as well. That was really nice of you. I really like it when groups include translations of the manuals because it makes me feel like the game was actually officially translated.

You all did a great job! Thank you!:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Pennywise on January 03, 2019, 09:26:36 am
Actually, the size wasn't the only problem. Haruhi's patch contained subtitled versions of the movies. As far as I know, patches aren't allowed to contain any copyrighted content, but the patch contained the actual animated scenes, and thus it couldn't be provided through this site. The movies' inclusion made the patch large, but the copyrighted content was really what made it a no-show for this site.

Like I don't know if it's possible to do softsubs on the Saturn, but with the PS1, PS2, PSP etc., softsubs aren't terribly difficult to pull off from what I understand. Esperknight was just lazy in your case.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Starscream on January 03, 2019, 09:36:47 am
What a way to start the new year.  My thanks to everyone involved.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: NoahSteam on January 03, 2019, 10:51:47 am
Wow great job to all three of you!!  I can’t wait to check it out.  The Saturn has a lot of gems waiting to be translated.

Paul_met, did you have to modify the code to support variable width font or was the code already set up to support it in the original game?

Also, what tool did you guys use to generate the font?

Looks great.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: butane bob on January 03, 2019, 10:53:10 am
I literally just ordered an RGB cable and a transcoder for my Saturn and now i see this. Holy shit :) I love Nextech's games so this should be heaps of fun. Thank you.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: paul_met on January 03, 2019, 11:33:05 am
Paul_met, did you have to modify the code to support variable width font or was the code already set up to support it in the original game?
The game initially did not provide for anything that is usually done in localizations. I had to do everything myself.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Grillkick on January 03, 2019, 01:38:40 pm
Could Liver really be "river"? It may very well be "Wrinkle River Story". Dead serious.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Rolly on January 03, 2019, 02:04:44 pm
Awesome job!
Game looks sweet! Hope we see a  more SEGA Saturn translation in future :D
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Pennywise on January 03, 2019, 03:30:37 pm
Could Liver really be "river"? It may very well be "Wrinkle River Story". Dead serious.

That makes about as much sense as Linkle Liver in the game. Meaning no sense at all.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Psyklax on January 03, 2019, 05:32:13 pm
Just a note for anyone else who found the patching a tad confusing: the Redump version has multiple .bin files, and this patch should be applied to the first one with the tool mentioned in the readme. I'm sure I won't be the last one to be confused by this, so I though I might mention it (I can imagine patching CD-based games will be a bit of a pain, though I've not done it much myself).

Great job, by the way! I like what you did with the intro video. I'm having a play of it now, and you might get to see a review of it on my YouTube channel at some point, maybe. :)
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Lentfilms on January 03, 2019, 07:00:13 pm
Awesome work guys, it is always cool to see more translations for the Saturn and this is a title I've heard good things about.

As for the game's name, Google also translates it as "Wrinkle River Story" but again it doesn't make a lot of sense...
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Tom on January 03, 2019, 10:03:22 pm
Wrinkle River kinda makes sense to me.

It makes me think of a winding river, with a lot of twists and turns, which seem sort of like a "wrinkle" in the river's path.

That said, I think the title is best left as-is.

By the way, the decision to do hard subs for Haruhi was not done out of laziness, but rather to make them look better. Cargodin did a great job with this.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: aishsha on January 03, 2019, 11:49:28 pm
Could Liver really be "river"? It may very well be "Wrinkle River Story". Dead serious.
The title is totally legit - we scouted the whole web in and through for that, and apparently the creators themselves confirmed the title as is, but they didn't care to explain it.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: xZabuzax on January 04, 2019, 08:22:26 am
Amazing work you guys, I definitely want to play this gem on an emulator because my console died years ago, I patched it successfully but I'm encountering issues, I will explain:

The image that my friend made for me (from my original Japanese disk) is in Clone CD format, the folder has 3 files in it which is in these extensions: .ccd, .img and .sub, these files which was ripped from my original disk works on 2 emulators that I tried which is SSF and Yaba Sanshiro, both emus play the music from the intro animation just fine but when I push a button to skip that intro and go to the intro screen the music doesn't play in SSF, however, it does play in Yaba Sanshiro but since the game is in Japanese I won't play it again in those emulators. It seems that SSF is having issues(?) with the music in the intro screen but no biggie, I can still play this in Yaba Sanshiro.

However... after patching the .img file with the english translation with PPF-O-MATIC v3.0 the game works, it's in english now however... the game is having the same issue with the intro screen music, it doesn't play in both emulators now which is odd, It still has the SFX effects and you can still listen to music in the option screen but the normal intro screen doesn't have the music anymore. I don't want to start a new game knowing that the music might not play later on because of the issue I described.

The summary for that wall of text is this:

My Japanese rip that my friend made from my original disk has the intro screen music in Yaba Sanshiro but not in SSF, after patching the game with the english translation the intro screen music doesn't work in Yaba Sanshiro no more so both emulator is having issues in the intro screen now. Can someone point me to the right direction to make the intro screen music working in Yaba Sanshiro with the english patch? if you can help me getting that issue to work in SSF as well then that would be better, I rather play this in SSF.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: aishsha on January 04, 2019, 08:41:34 am
I've just tried repatching the game for SSF Beta R3/R4 and it plays just fine. Meguessing - it's the image stuff. I've also left an extended response to you at the other place you posted this. Maybe paul_met will shed some light on this as well.

That and the ending music is the issues for both original and translation for almost every Saturn emulator existing now. For example, mednafen simply crashes when trying to exit to the world map.

PS: I'm also interested if anyone tried this on the console yet as I heard of some issues but it plays just great on my card-reading saturn usual grey version.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: xZabuzax on January 04, 2019, 10:13:15 am
I've just tried repatching the game for SSF Beta R3/R4 and it plays just fine. Meguessing - it's the image stuff. I've also left an extended response to you at the other place you posted this. Maybe paul_met will shed some light on this as well.

That and the ending music is the issues for both original and translation for almost every Saturn emulator existing now. For example, mednafen simply crashes when trying to exit to the world map.

PS: I'm also interested if anyone tried this on the console yet as I heard of some issues but it plays just great on my card-reading saturn usual grey version.

Thanks for your reply, I have gotten the intro music to finally play in SSF with my Japanese ripped copy, to fix that issue I had to delete "LINKLE LIVER STORY.bin" inside the folder "CDIndex", however, the same thing happens once I try patching the game with the english translation, once it's patched then the music won't play anymore. I believe the issue are errors from my part because if you got it working then there's something that I'm obviously doing wrong. I will explain my patching process, hopefully you can help me from there:

My unpatched folder has 3 files in it with these extensions: .ccd, .img and .sub, now I open PPF-O-MATIC v3.0 and select the file .img and the .ppf file and patch the .img file. What comes next is what I'm probably doing wrong, you see, the .img file is in english now, however, the other 2 files ".ccd" and ".sub" is not compatible with the new patched ".img" file anymore, and hence, opening the .ccd file from Daemon Tools is not working anymore, opening that .ccd in Yaba Sanshiro is not working anymore either so I have to select the .img file directly in both Daemon Tools or Yaba Sanshiro, once I do this the game works but the music won't play in the intro screen anymore. I believe I need to open the .ccd file somehow and edit it with the new information of the patched .img file to get it to work.

Hopefully you have a better idea of what I'm doing wrong and guide me from there. Thanks.

Note: I already posted this in the translation website but other peoples might have the same issue I'm having so I'm posting this here as well.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: paul_met on January 04, 2019, 10:17:49 am
Hopefully you have a better idea of what I'm doing wrong and guide me from there. Thanks.
The game uses CDDA tracks. It seems that they were damaged after the IMG file was patched (or the image contained errors initially). I recommend following the instructions in the readme file and using only the BIN/CUE image format. So, either you convert your image into the BIN/CUE (for example, using the CDmage utility from this site), or let your friend dump the original disk into the BIN/CUE format.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: xZabuzax on January 04, 2019, 10:29:41 am
The game uses CDDA tracks. It seems that they were damaged after the IMG file was patched (or the image contained errors initially). I recommend following the instructions in the readme file and using only the BIN/CUE image format. So, either you convert your image into the BIN/CUE (for example, using the CDmage utility from this site), or let your friend dump the original disk into the BIN/CUE format.

After I posted that I fixed the issue, it was actually a mistake from my part. I renamed the .img file "before" patching it, that caused the error I was having, I needed to leave that .img intact because apparently it contains important information that the other 2 files recognizes, if the .img is renamed and patched then those important information changes and it won't work anymore. Because of this renaming the "patched" .img back to the name it had before won't work anymore with the other 2 files, apparently those CDDA tracks are pretty sensitive to changes if you rename the .img file before patching.

It was a dumb mistake from my part but hopefully others people having my issue can fix it now. Thanks.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: aishsha on January 04, 2019, 10:34:31 am
Glad it worked for you in the end.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: NoahSteam on January 04, 2019, 12:44:25 pm
How did you guys generate the font sheet for this?  Did you use an existing tool, create by hand in gimp/photoshop/etc., or did you write your own tool?   
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: aishsha on January 04, 2019, 12:45:57 pm
That's a slightly modified existing font.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: NoahSteam on January 04, 2019, 01:23:03 pm
As in the font that was already in the game?
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: aishsha on January 04, 2019, 01:44:15 pm
No, it was inserted.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Endymian on January 04, 2019, 04:30:48 pm
Could Liver really be "river"? It may very well be "Wrinkle River Story". Dead serious.

Logged in for the first time in months to suggest exactly the same thing.

"L"s and "R"s can get weird when translating Japanese.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: azidahaka on January 04, 2019, 05:07:06 pm
Maybe Livers is bad case of japanglish and they meant livers as in those that live in a place?

Is there a country or city called Linkle in the game?
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: saito on January 04, 2019, 05:15:22 pm
Good job on this one. Hope to see working on more translations folks.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: kikujade on January 05, 2019, 02:35:09 am
This is HUGE!!!

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

I will play this on real hardware when I get the saturn satiator.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: paul_met on January 05, 2019, 02:42:14 am
Is there a country or city called Linkle in the game?
As stated previously - "Linkle Liver" does not appear anywhere (neither in the game itself, nor in the manual). It's something like "The story of Thor" - does not mean anything.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Psyklax on January 05, 2019, 03:15:12 am
Why is Bohemian Rhapsody called Bohemian Rhapsody?

Because it is. ;)
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: # on January 05, 2019, 08:26:29 am
Why is Bohemian Rhapsody called Bohemian Rhapsody?

Because it is. ;)
Because it is a Bohemian Rhapsody.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this title was supposed to mean Linked Lives Story. Japanese make the weirdest mistakes when they write in English, so it could have meant something we would never be able to figure out unless we had a conversation with the person(s) who came up with it. It might even be a misheard phrase from a song or movie.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Stifu on January 05, 2019, 10:07:21 am
As stated previously - "Linkle Liver" does not appear anywhere (neither in the game itself, nor in the manual). It's something like "The story of Thor" - does not mean anything.
I'm not sure if the Beyond Oasis retranslation is anything to go by, but in the intro, it says: "Long ago, there was a war on an alien world called Thor" (vs "Kingdom of Oasis" in the official translation).
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Pennywise on January 05, 2019, 10:56:13 am
Because it is a Bohemian Rhapsody.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this title was supposed to mean Linked Lives Story. Japanese make the weirdest mistakes when they write in English, so it could have meant something we would never be able to figure out unless we had a conversation with the person(s) who came up with it. It might even be a misheard phrase from a song or movie.

I could maybe see that, but the title is written in English and Japanese.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: # on January 05, 2019, 11:05:39 am
I could maybe see that, but the title is written in English and Japanese.
But the Japanese writing is just the English title written in Katakana characters for easier pronunciation by Japanese gamers.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: paul_met on January 05, 2019, 02:24:26 pm
I'm not sure if the Beyond Oasis retranslation is anything to go by, but in the intro, it says: "Long ago, there was a war on an alien world called Thor" (vs "Kingdom of Oasis" in the official translation).
It was about the official version of the game in the European region, the title of which featured the word "Thor", but the game itself did not say anything about it.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: GhaleonUnlimited on January 05, 2019, 02:58:29 pm
Wow this is awesome. Thanks team! I hope more Saturn projects will follow in the next few years (Lunar Magic School, etc).

I think GameFan called it Wrinkle River Story - pretty crazy that it's actually Linkle Liver.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: gadesx on January 05, 2019, 03:17:59 pm
Japanese Sega saturn and Playstation games translated 1000% > than new games for me  :beer:
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: FlashPV on January 06, 2019, 03:03:30 am
Since the title screen design gave us hard time I hope we'll don't have to change it.
Otherwise here's a real question:
Why Dead Dance is called Tuff'Nuff in the US?  ;D
 
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: aishsha on January 06, 2019, 04:54:06 am
Don't worry, Flash, WE WONT :)
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: KingMike on January 06, 2019, 01:16:35 pm
Why Dead Dance is called Tuff'Nuff in the US?  ;D
Well, NoA didn't allow "dead" things on its consoles.
Where they pulled "Tuff E Nuff" from, I don't know. But it was the '90s and everyone was too X-TREME to spell things correctly. :P
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: arromdee on January 07, 2019, 04:05:31 am
Translations are a derivative work and making them is the exclusive right of the copyright owner. (https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.pdf)  If we can accept translated text, even though that violates copyright, we should be able to accept translated videos too.

(And if you're thinking "the images in the video are the same as the ones in the original, but the text is not", that makes no difference as to whether the translated text is a copyright violation.)
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Sanedan56 on January 07, 2019, 04:12:19 pm
Because it is a Bohemian Rhapsody.

Indeed.

But I do think that it is a spelling mistake and "Liver" is supposed to be river.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: mikepjr80 on January 07, 2019, 09:20:11 pm
Does anyone know if this game will play on a US SEGA Saturn?
I have a modded US SEGA Saturn, and I was considering burning it to a disc and playing it on actual hardware, but will I maybe need a saturn that plays JP CDs?
I have seen translations before not run on US SEGA Saturn hardware is why I ask.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: aishsha on January 08, 2019, 12:18:53 pm
Quote
Does anyone know if this game will play on a US SEGA Saturn?
I have a modded US SEGA Saturn, and I was considering burning it to a disc and playing it on actual hardware, but will I maybe need a saturn that plays JP CDs?
I have seen translations before not run on US SEGA Saturn hardware is why I ask.
We haven't applied any regional changes, so yes, it's the same Japanese-locked game. Grab an Action Replay cart for that.


January 08, 2019, 12:24:19 pm - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Indeed.

But I do think that it is a spelling mistake and "Liver" is supposed to be river.
http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Linkle-Liver-Story
That being said, the title stays as is. And yes we thought a lot about it.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: treos on January 09, 2019, 01:13:42 pm
Maybe Livers is bad case of japanglish and they meant livers as in those that live in a place?

Is there a country or city called Linkle in the game?

o_O "japanglish"? i think you mean "Engrish".
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: Pennywise on January 10, 2019, 04:29:35 pm
Hot damn, I was just looking through posts on Twitter about our translation and came across a pic with a typo in it. So I think it's safe to assume there will be another release. I'll probably take the opportunity to playthrough the translation again and make some further refinements to the script. Nothing major of course, but the quest for perfection never stops even if the first release was pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Translations: Linkle Liver Story Sega Saturn Translation Released
Post by: RaidouJFlo on January 16, 2019, 11:38:42 pm
BASED