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Title: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: A.D.R.I.A.N on February 05, 2017, 10:11:38 PM
The title is self-explanatory. Mine is Ghosts and Goblins, because that game can (and will) make you suffer.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: travel27 on February 05, 2017, 10:30:22 PM
Not the hardest game for most, but personally I have always had a hard time with Mega Man.  Super Mario lost worlds, when I beat it I was so happy!
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SunGodPortal on February 05, 2017, 10:44:33 PM
Quote from: A.D.R.I.A.N on February 05, 2017, 10:11:38 PMThe title is self-explanatory. Mine is Ghosts and Goblins, because that game can (and will) make you suffer.

I've never made it beyond the first level of this game and rarely made it past the first two or three screens. Fuck this game.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: magictrufflez on February 05, 2017, 10:53:16 PM
Overall, I'll 1-up OP by saying Super Ghosts and Goblins.  Same ridiculous difficulty (and ending schtick) with more levels.

As far as RPGs (which is about all I play), I'd say vanilla wise 7th Saga (US), no competition.  Every other RPG I've ever played can be made significantly more manageable by knowing the game systems.  I know how everything works in 7th Saga (US), and I still can't stand how RNG lucky you need to be to finish that game (or even make it half way).

Honorable mention to the original vanilla Persona 3---it's pretty damn difficult without the FES/portble quality of life improvements...

EDIT: I take back Persona 3-----Wizardry : Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord should take its place.  Or really, any console Wizardry that saves empty store inventories when your party dies in the dungeon.  That was the cruelest discovery as a kid when I bought it used that NOTHING reset in-game from when the first owner lost all the good shop gear deep in the dungeon....
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Kallisto on February 06, 2017, 12:13:14 AM
SMT3
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on February 06, 2017, 01:03:43 AM
I do not swear at games other than Ninja Gaiden 1, in ways that I swear at Ninja Gaiden 1. I reserve special swears for Ninja Gaiden 1. Heck, I could almost use references to Ninja Gaiden 1 (NES) to swear at people.

"Good God man, you are being such a Ninja Gaiden Stage 6-2!!!"  :laugh:

Edit (and coarse language warning): That was just the TUTORIAL LEVEL (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jluv2HxFEqs)
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SunGodPortal on February 06, 2017, 01:14:52 AM
Quote from: Spooniest on February 06, 2017, 01:03:43 AM
I do not swear at games other than Ninja Gaiden 1, in ways that I swear at Ninja Gaiden 1. I reserve special swears for Ninja Gaiden 1. Heck, I could almost use references to Ninja Gaiden 1 (NES) to swear at people.

"Good God man, you are being such a Ninja Gaiden Stage 6-2!!!"  :laugh:

I can agree with this one too (NES Ninja Gaiden in general) but mostly because I like playing games, not taking memorization tests disguised as games. At least they give you killer soundtracks to jam out to while you study. :P
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: FAST6191 on February 06, 2017, 05:12:04 AM
A university I visited once had an accurate flight simulator and were letting people that might have never so much as seen inside a cockpit a try, and while you might say that was not a game it was framed as a stop the pigeon* affair.

*save a search https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj6-LG5VpGk or "clean" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dexQhvczVeM

Sticking with academics I did also see someone make a few of those "genius tester" programs like you see on cheesy films and TV shows where they get people to solve fairly abstract 3d problems and have something visually cool on the screen at the same time. Not quite the same but if you want to head down that path then https://fold.it/portal/ .

Less academic but along the same lines I like playing on those stock market simulators.

I suppose it is at this point I try to figure out what hard is. I am not a fan of rote memorisation (some aspects of NES ninja gaiden) and the generally illogical (the rub everything with everything else approach to adventure games for instance) but I can at least accept the first in some instances. Controls divorced from reality can work but is so much easier to have not work -- if my generally lazy self can dodge charity muggers in the street rather nimbly when loaded with all my tools then tank controls adding to the tension of the former special forces characters I am playing being unable to dodge a lumbering zombie then OK, however I probably would not hold up pre Resident Evil 4 controls as something to aspire to... probably should have gone with the section in Metro 2033 where you have the child on your shoulders.

At the same time I kind of like things divorced a bit from reality. As such a I found fez's setup to be great. Speaking of fez then some of the "easter egg" stuff wandered dangerously close to the "there is a fine line between leaving secret messages in the open for those that know you to decode and being the person scrawling random gibberish" notion.

http://fundersandfounders.com/9-types-of-intelligence/ is something I am not a fan of but it is a nice framing device for a lot of gameplay styles -- ask me to keep a rhythm and I am completely hosed, never mind playing something musical back or worse still trying to improvise something that goes with an existing beat. That all starts with the basic split in games of whether something is on the spectrum between real time and not -- chess is often given as an example of decidedly not real time or reaction based and as such a completely paralysed person could school me at chess where they would have no hope at tetris, make it into timer/blitz chess and that is a different matter, unless you count them being able to be speak and someone move things accordingly as valid play.

Where do challenge runs, self made or possibly... "provided" by game devs fall into things? Computer games are rather nice in that their entire rules are codified and somewhat predictable and theoretically the same for everybody (I do know the site we are on) which can mean things for computer games that other things only wish they had.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SleepyFist on February 06, 2017, 08:57:46 AM
F-Zero X, fuck rubberbanding AI

Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: CM30 on February 06, 2017, 11:20:58 AM
A Super Mario World hack where figuring out what killed you and what didn't was literally nigh impossible/random. One block would kill you on the spot, then an identical one would be harmless. Same with everything from pipes to the ground to coins to even bits of the air.

Aka this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7cPS2cerFM
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: KillerBob on February 06, 2017, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: SunGodPortal on February 05, 2017, 10:44:33 PM
I've never made it beyond the first level of this game and rarely made it past the first two or three screens. Fuck this game.
I can't blame you, the NES port is terrible. I once beat it just so I could put the damn game behind me and it was not a joy.  :laugh: Very much the wrong kind of difficult. The arcade original is OK but its sequels on arcade and SNES are truly fantastic games. Sometimes insanely tough but not unfairly so IMO.

Gradius III (Arcade) must rank as the hardest game I have ever played. Pure evil. The game was probably designed by Satan himself.  >:D
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: A.D.R.I.A.N on February 06, 2017, 03:11:09 PM
I've played this game yesterday, and I'll easily say that this game deserves it's "Nintendo Hard" Title: Pac-Mania.
Sure, you can jump, giving some advantage against ghosts, but it doesn't matter, because you're dealing with eight ghosts instead of four. The green and the gray ghosts are the most dangerous (especially the gray one) since green ghosts jump at the same time you do, but only slightly lower than you (if your timing is right, you can jump over green ghosts), and gray ghosts can jump too, but this time, they can jump the same height as you (try jumping over grey ghosts, it's guaranteed that you'll lose a life) making them a real threat, especially when ghosts start swarming you, giving little to no time how to react properly (most notably on Jungly Steeps, the last world in the game).

The camera angle doesn't help either, since it's always fixed, you cannot tell if a ghost is approaching you (especially on the GBA version, with it's small screen) making you wish they could include a minimap or something.

If a game deserves to share the title of "Hardest game ever made" alongside Ghost and Goblins, then Pac-Mania certainly does.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: travel27 on February 06, 2017, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: CM30 on February 06, 2017, 11:20:58 AM
A Super Mario World hack where figuring out what killed you and what didn't was literally nigh impossible/random. One block would kill you on the spot, then an identical one would be harmless. Same with everything from pipes to the ground to coins to even bits of the air.

Aka this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7cPS2cerFM

That just seems pointless though.  Not to sound mean, but what is the point, actually, of making a hack like that??
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 03:22:28 AM

Quotebut personally I have always had a hard time with Mega Man
Which one ? Mega Man I is realtively easy. Mega Man IV is the hardest in my opinion, but the final boss of VII is insane, too. Mega Man & Bass is definitely the hardest of the series.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 03:27:17 AM
Quote from: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 03:22:28 AM
Which one ? Mega Man I is realtively easy.

You think the Yellow Devil in Wily Stage 1 is easy? :P Man you must be better at Nintendo than me.

Yellow Devil is that rock guy who keeps turning into rocks that fly across to the other side of the room...and when the rocks hit you they do a giant chunk of damage to you.

The Yellow Devil is almost impossible for me. You can cheat (fire the Elec Beam, press Select to pause the game over and over), but then you don't get to say afterwards that you actually, strictly speaking, beat Mega Man.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 04:29:04 AM
Quote from: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 03:27:17 AM
You think the Yellow Devil in Wily Stage 1 is easy? :P Man you must be better at Nintendo than me.

Yellow Devil is that rock guy who keeps turning into rocks that fly across to the other side of the room...and when the rocks hit you they do a giant chunk of damage to you.

The Yellow Devil is almost impossible for me. You can cheat (fire the Elec Beam, press Select to pause the game over and over), but then you don't get to say afterwards that you actually, strictly speaking, beat Mega Man.
Oh yeah I forgot about that, I agree it's impossible to beat him but with the pause trick combined with the elec beam weapon it's relatively easy.

The hardest parts of Mega Man I are Ice Man's sage and the stage just before the "Yellow Devil" (I call him the "golem" myself), because of very unpredictable movable platforms combined with instant death traps (bottomless pit in Ice Man's, spikes in Yellow Devil's). Not only that but the moveable platform can also shoot at you. Thanks god the movable platform are predictable in other Mega Man games.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 04:30:45 AM
Quote from: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 04:29:04 AM
Oh yeah I forgot about that, I agree it's impossible to beat him but with the pause trick combined with the elec beam weapon it's relatively easy.

So then, the Yellow Devil beat you. :)
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 04:32:04 AM
I guess it is possible to learn his pattern by heart, but it takes a lot of practice. Once you know that, I belive you can remember exactly how to time your jumps to avoid him entierely and he becomes easy. However if somehow your timing's off you're still dead.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 04:33:04 AM
Don't worry, I can't beat him either.

Quote from: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 04:29:04 AM
The hardest parts of Mega Man I are Ice Man's sage and the stage just before the "Yellow Devil" (I call him the "golem" myself), because of very unpredictable movable platforms combined with instant death traps (bottomless pit in Ice Man's, spikes in Yellow Devil's). Not only that but the moveable platform can also shoot at you. Thanks god the movable platform are predictable in other Mega Man games.

I hate that stage. The freaking two sections of disappearing blocks are bad enough, but then yeah, those <_< look left, >_> look right platform guys that shoot you, and you fall off them, and you die.

Magnet Beam is my friend, there. I just go to Gutsman first, he's not that hard to beat (if the platforms in HIS stage can be cleared, and that takes practice too), but then you can go to Cutman, then to Elecman, and in Elecman's Tower you can get the Magnet Beam.

Ice Man next, Magnet Beam over the Eyeball Platform Guys. Done and done. Now, the Eyeball Jumpers at the end of Guts, Cut, Elec, Ice Man, right before their doors? Ugh.

Really, it's telling that Mega Man 2 is a much more balanced game. It's not easy, but it's a walk in the park compared to the first game.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SunGodPortal on February 07, 2017, 04:42:46 AM
Yeah, screw Double Dragon III as well. I wanted to like that game so bad since I love DDII and have lots of fond memories playing it, but it left me no choice. It's like the AVGN says, that game is like what would happen in real life if you decided to take on that many guys. You'd get your ass handed to you.

Silver Surfer is just flat out unfair. As with Ninja Gaiden, killer soundtrack.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 04:47:07 AM
Quote from: SunGodPortal on February 07, 2017, 04:42:46 AM
Yeah, screw Double Dragon III as well.

Really no excuse for the total lack of any challenge balance in that, after the improvements to the engine made by II over the first one.

Double Dragon 1 was the first NES cartridge I ever owned, bought for me by my mom when I was 9 (RIP Mom). I was thrilled. Me and my kid brother had played it in arcades for years, and I booted it up...oh. It's only one player. Hm.

So I kind of got used to being beaten like a red headed stepchild, there. I'm sure any number of youtube videos will demonstrate the idea to you; Double Dragon for NES just plain doesn't want to let you win, generally speaking. It is unbelievably unfair. It's not Ghosts and Goblins hard, but damn, GnG at least allows continues.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SunGodPortal on February 07, 2017, 04:58:57 AM
Quote from: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 04:47:07 AMDouble Dragon 1 was the first NES cartridge I ever owned, bought for me by my mom when I was 9 (RIP Mom). I was thrilled. Me and my kid brother had played it in arcades for years, and I booted it up...oh. It's only one player. Hm.

I always wondered what was so "double" about a one player game. A more fitting title would have been Alternating Dragons. Or Double If You Play the VS Mode Dragon.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 05:20:59 AM
Quote from: SunGodPortal on February 07, 2017, 04:58:57 AM
I always wondered what was so "double" about a one player game. A more fitting title would have been Alternating Dragons. Or Double If You Play the VS Mode Dragon.

In hindsight, many video game titles could have worked as extremely hardcore porn movie titles.

"Double Dragon"

"Bubble Bobble"

"Codename: Viper"

"Bionic Commando"

I could keep going... heh. But then, this thread's topic is the hardest games ever played.

You know, Lennus (aka Paladin's Quest) for SNES really doesn't let you get away with nothing. You either have the goods for where you are in the game or you don't. I don't recall that game being easy, for an RPG, at all.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 07:15:26 AM
Quote from: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 04:33:04 AM
Really, it's telling that Mega Man 2 is a much more balanced game. It's not easy, but it's a walk in the park compared to the first game.
Mega Man 2 is super easy and basically beat itself for you. The jap version is a bit harder and the "hard mode" of the western version is somewhat hard, though.

QuoteI always wondered what was so "double" about a one player game. A more fitting title would have been Alternating Dragons. Or Double If You Play the VS Mode Dragon.
It would be awesome if a game was titled "alternating dragons". I am not 100% sure but I suspect they wanted to have 2 player mode but couldn't due to time restrictions for development.

The worst part about Double Dragon III is that the game itself would probably be totally awesome if only it had more lives and more continues.

QuoteIt's like the AVGN says, that game is like what would happen in real life if you decided to take on that many guys. You'd get your ass handed to you.
That's 100% true.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: A.D.R.I.A.N on February 07, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
It surprises me that nobody speaks of I Wanna Be The Guy......
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 04:07:15 PM
Quote from: A.D.R.I.A.N on February 07, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
It surprises me that nobody speaks of I Wanna Be The Guy......

That's because youtube warned us not to play it :D
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 04:35:16 PM
Quote from: A.D.R.I.A.N on February 07, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
It surprises me that nobody speaks of I Wanna Be The Guy......
I completely forgot about it, but yeah, THAT game is BRUTAL. It was mean to be as sadistic as possible.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SleepyFist on February 07, 2017, 05:41:07 PM
I was gonna, but I decided not to, really I Wanna be the Guy the Movie the game is more fair than F-Zero X at least you don't have to literally fool the AI into letting you win, I made it halfway through IWBTG which is more than I can say for F-Zero.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SunGodPortal on February 07, 2017, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: Spooniest on February 07, 2017, 05:20:59 AMIn hindsight, many video game titles could have worked as extremely hardcore porn movie titles.

The same could be said for "the hardest game you've ever played".  ::)

Quote from: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 07:15:26 AMThe worst part about Double Dragon III is that the game itself would probably be totally awesome if only it had more lives and more continues.

I thought that myself until I recently watched another playthrough of it. That's when I noticed that it was incredibly monotonous and repetitive compared to Double Dragon II. It's almost nothing but "beat up a few people, walk to the right". Double Dragon II had conveyor belts, spikes on the ceiling, that bulldozer thing you had to fight to the top of, people throwing bombs, the fight in the helicopter where you could get sucked out the door, etc, etc. Compared to that, DDIII is boring as fuck. It's like they never took the time to develop it. They just put in a minimal effort and put it on the market. The only thing that's really that good about it are the visuals but even there it lacks the atmosphere of DDII.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on February 08, 2017, 12:31:39 PM
Quote from: SunGodPortal on February 07, 2017, 06:56:24 PM
The same could be said for "the hardest game you've ever played".  ::)

Bazinga!

Let's see...you know, Donkey Kong, the Nintendo Originator, is not a very nice game either. You can be quickly screwed over without much warning at all, even on the first stage of it. I know that games of the era were more about score than completion of the stages, but dang, Donkey Kong is not exactly a happy fun time walk down the lane.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Disch on February 08, 2017, 02:45:25 PM
Speaking of memorization tests disguised as games -- how about Rolling Thunder (FC/NES version)?

Except unlike other memorization games, Rolling Thunder is actually fun.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Gi Nattak on February 08, 2017, 03:45:25 PM
Currently it's Dark Souls, I finally got around to playing it. It's difficult in a frustrating way, having to trek out very far and fight a boss with no save before it. I'm sure it doesn't help I chose a damn Cleric for my first character either. :banghead:

A classic game that was the hardest I ever played... I'll say NES Batman. And NES TMNT 1.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SunGodPortal on February 08, 2017, 07:50:04 PM
Quote from: Gi Nattak on February 08, 2017, 03:45:25 PMA classic game that was the hardest I ever played... I'll say NES Batman. And NES TMNT 1.

Yeah, TMNT for NES can be pretty brutal sometimes. Unlike some people, I had not trouble with the underwater level. I actually think it's a lot of fun. What's weird about that game is how it sometimes ramps up the difficulty seemingly out of nowhere. You'll go into one area and you could come back and it might be filled with more and stronger enemies. The respawning in this game can also be very annoying and unforgiving.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Synnae on February 08, 2017, 08:58:50 PM
The hardest one? Tough question. But I'd say The Combatribes (arcade) is among them. It's also by Technos. Yes, the same creators of Double Dragon and River City Ransom.

It's also a beat 'em up. There are 6 levels total, and you start the game with 150 hit points. Thing is, you carry on that HP through the ENTIRE game. There are no means to regenerate it, and clearing a level doesn't heal you either - you begin the next one with the same amount you had after finishing the last. Enemies are pretty aggressive and it's really hard to avoid getting countered when you're hitting them, and nearly impossible against bosses. Plus, on the last level you have to beat ALL previous bosses in a boss rush. You only have 500 seconds to do that, and they have quite a bit of HP - making it also a battle against time. Heck, the final boss at the end is brutal enough...

So yeah, It's a harsh game. Even for arcade standards. There's a video of someone beating it on YouTube, but they save-state'd their way through (the final level was cleared with only 11 seconds remaining, btw). I don't think it's humanly possible to beat this with 1 coin legit.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Azkadellia on February 08, 2017, 09:36:02 PM
Quote from: Bregalad on February 07, 2017, 07:15:26 AM
It would be awesome if a game was titled "alternating dragons". I am not 100% sure but I suspect they wanted to have 2 player mode but couldn't due to time restrictions for development.
Nah. It was hardware restrictions.

Quote from: Synnae on February 08, 2017, 08:58:50 PM
The hardest one? Tough question. But I'd say The Combatribes (arcade) is among them. It's also by Technos. Yes, the same creators of Double Dragon and River City Ransom.

It's also a beat 'em up. There are 6 levels total, and you start the game with 150 hit points. Thing is, you carry on that HP through the ENTIRE game. There are no means to regenerate it, and clearing a level doesn't heal you either - you begin the next one with the same amount you had after finishing the last. Enemies are pretty aggressive and it's really hard to avoid getting countered when you're hitting them, and nearly impossible against bosses. Plus, on the last level you have to beat ALL previous bosses in a boss rush. You only have 500 seconds to do that, and they have quite a bit of HP - making it also a battle against time. Heck, the final boss at the end is brutal enough...

So yeah, It's a harsh game. Even for arcade standards. There's a video of someone beating it on YouTube, but they save-state'd their way through (the final level was cleared with only 11 seconds remaining, btw). I don't think it's humanly possible to beat this with 1 coin legit.
It's possible. It just takes hours and hours of practice. I watch people on Twitch practice arcade games to 1CC them all the time.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Synnae on February 08, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
Quote from: Azkadellia on February 08, 2017, 09:36:02 PM
It's possible. It just takes hours and hours of practice. I watch people on Twitch practice arcade games to 1CC them all the time.

Sure thing. I can 1CC some arcade games that are on the easier side and I'm more familiar with, such as Ghouls'n Ghosts or Deathsmiles. But I'd rather invest this time into playing different things. More enjoyable than dedicating so many hours to something that was clearly made to be a coin muncher.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on February 09, 2017, 12:04:23 AM
Fire N' Ice was actually a game that got so convulutedly blastedly hard that I gave the hell up and played Ninja Gaiden again.

Edit: But you could MAKE YOUR OWN LEVEL and it was just as awesome as it sounds like it was
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: MegaManJuno on February 09, 2017, 11:49:32 AM
Quote from: SleepyFist on February 07, 2017, 05:41:07 PM
I was gonna, but I decided not to, really I Wanna be the Guy the Movie the game is more fair than F-Zero X at least you don't have to literally fool the AI into letting you win, I made it halfway through IWBTG which is more than I can say for F-Zero.

I don't recall having too many issues with X. GX though... that was a different story.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Bahamut ZERO on February 09, 2017, 01:54:18 PM
Quote from: MegaManJuno on February 09, 2017, 11:49:32 AM
I don't recall having too many issues with X. GX though... that was a different story.

Yeah, GX is seemingly unforgiving compared to X.  Plus, as an added bonus, it feels like a letdown trying to sit down and play GX right after playing X.

I mean, F-Zero X had some mindblowing moments, and the most hardcore metal soundtrack you'll ever hear out of an N64 game. GX feels more like a constant muscle reaction test, and that techno-y music makes me feel more like I'm playing some coked up Wipeout game than F-Zero.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SleepyFist on February 09, 2017, 05:58:42 PM
I see, I had always heard that GX was actually the more fair of the two, but I couldn't find a copy so I got X instead, which I know from experience has AI that can actually become so fast from rubberbanding they become near impossible for me to pass.
but yeah that soundtrack is awesome metal, was not expecting that when I started it up the first time.

I'll also add  La Mulana, and Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup in here, although DCSS is a roguelike so it's kind of justified having a morgue file a thousand entries long
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: PresidentLeever on February 11, 2017, 06:20:13 AM
Holy Diver and Undead Line are pretty damn tough, and I agree with La Mulana.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Fennec-kun on February 12, 2017, 07:14:02 PM
I'd have to say either Devil May Cry 1 or 3, maybe 3.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Kallisto on February 21, 2017, 05:50:53 PM
Heracles 1 & 2, and the gameboy game are pretty hard.

the best armor will not save you.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: lexluthermiester on February 28, 2017, 01:13:04 AM
How in hell did the NES Battletoads miss this list? That game was COMPLETE misery! Every other game mentioned in the thread can be beat if one gives enough tries, has patience and studies the game. Battletoads however? Forget it, you are not beating that game without an extreme amount of luck. Don't even bother playing two player. Spooniest mentioned swearing at people using Ninja Gaiden levels. For a while in high school calling someone "Battletoads" was a deep insult that only the gaming portion of the student body understood.

To date it is the only game I've owned and never beat without cheats. MegaMan2 on hard was easy by comparison. I literally daydreamed about finding the people who made the game to give them a swift kick in the crotch.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SleepyFist on February 28, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
Quote from: lexluthermiester on February 28, 2017, 01:13:04 AM
How in hell did the NES Battletoads miss this list? That game was COMPLETE misery! Every other game mentioned in the thread can be beat if one gives enough tries, has patience and studies the game. Battletoads however? Forget it, you are not beating that game without an extreme amount of luck. Don't even bother playing two player. Spooniest mentioned swearing at people using Ninja Gaiden levels. For a while in high school calling someone "Battletoads" was a deep insult that only the gaming portion of the student body understood.

To date it is the only game I've owned and never beat without cheats. MegaMan2 on hard was easy by comparison. I literally daydreamed about finding the people who made the game to give them a swift kick in the crotch.

Here's one from Cracked.com
QuoteYou played as Rash, Zitz, or Pimple, because we really were that dumb as kids, and their quest was to defeat the Dark Queen, because it's really easy to manipulate dumb kids. Battletoads wasn't a game, it was a secret project to electronically destroy the human soul. The game was harder than a diamond strap-on and did similar things to you when you played with it.

Either that or it was a secret project to trigger latent psychic powers, as that was the only way to get past the jet bike levels.

It was proof that kids would spend four months subjecting themselves to thumbscrews if that was what they'd spent their birthday money on. And it was jealous. It would murder your friendships to force you to spend more time with it, because friendly fire was always on. You had a better chance of staying friends with someone if you entered a Saw trap together.

Thumping each other was fun, but every Battletoad was equipped with the grappling equivalent of the double Vulcan Nerve Pinch: holding a friend or enemy above your head paralyzed them, while you could walk around the level, loudly wondering which instant death pit you'd cast them into. There was no way to break out. Wiggling your joystick might as well have been a euphemism for all the good it would do, and at least then you'd be showing them who could be the dickiest while playing together.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: lexluthermiester on February 28, 2017, 09:28:30 PM
Quote from: SleepyFist on February 28, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
Here's one from Cracked.com

LOL! That about sums it up.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Bregalad on March 01, 2017, 02:02:04 AM
Quote from: lexluthermiester on February 28, 2017, 01:13:04 AM
How in hell did the NES Battletoads miss this list? [...] Every other game mentioned in the thread can be beat if one gives enough tries, has patience and studies the game. Battletoads however? Forget it, you are not beating that game without an extreme amount of luck.
I didn't mention the game on purpose. Sure it is very hard but my opinion is that its difficulty is grossly exaggerated (by you and other people). I didn't beat BT myself but I reached level 10 (Rat Race) legimately, which is some 75% of the game (ok maybe not 75% of difficulties). There's so many games I cannot even beat level 1, so it'd be ridiculous for me to say Battletoads is harder than them.

Also the part about luck is completely wrong. Most of the game is very predictable and you just have to remember the exact movement you have to do and time it perfectly. A single mistake and you're dead. However it remains simple memorization. There is rarely more than 1 or 2 dangers simulteneously in BT, while some games throws dozens of bullets at you (i.e. Silver Surfer or King's Knight).
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Bahamut ZERO on March 02, 2017, 06:15:36 PM
For me, it was The Lion King on Sega Genesis when I was little. It was miracle for me to get Simba to adulthood.

Fuck that stampede level.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: lexluthermiester on March 05, 2017, 03:11:00 AM
Quote from: Bregalad on March 01, 2017, 02:02:04 AM
I didn't mention the game on purpose. Sure it is very hard but my opinion is that its difficulty is grossly exaggerated (by you and other people). I didn't beat BT myself but I reached level 10 (Rat Race) legimately, which is some 75% of the game (ok maybe not 75% of difficulties). There's so many games I cannot even beat level 1, so it'd be ridiculous for me to say Battletoads is harder than them.

Also the part about luck is completely wrong. Most of the game is very predictable and you just have to remember the exact movement you have to do and time it perfectly. A single mistake and you're dead. However it remains simple memorization. There is rarely more than 1 or 2 dangers simultaneously in BT, while some games throws dozens of bullets at you (i.e. Silver Surfer or King's Knight).

Ah damn, I'd forgotten about the nightmare of King's Knight!  :banghead: <shuddlers> Never played Silver Surfer, I'll take your word for it. Of course, then there's the garbage that was Hydlide. I HATED those effing wasps!!  >:(
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Disch on March 08, 2017, 11:38:41 AM
Quote from: lexluthermiester on February 28, 2017, 01:13:04 AM
Forget it, you are not beating [Battletoads] without an extreme amount of luck.

Battletoads requires exactly zero luck.  I can beat that game regularly with no game overs, warps or cheats.  It just takes practice.

QuoteDon't even bother playing two player.

2P is fun until Clinger Winger, which is actually broken and technically impossible.  But yeah 2P is hard.

QuoteMegaMan2 on hard was easy by comparison.

Megaman2 doesn't have a hard mode.  It has a "laughably easy" mode and a "still extremely easy" mode.  The weapons in MM2 are ridiculously overpowered.  Everyone knows about spamming Metal blade and how most bosses are weak to it, but there's also AirMan's gun which fills 70% of the screen and one-hit KOs most baddies (including the jumping mech suits), even on "difficult".  And even the oft-overlooked Woodman weapon which negates all difficulty in the areas where you have to ride that track thing (just throw in the shield and wait it out).  Plus woodman's shield completely destroys the metal drill things.  In fact, pretty much every enemy in that game is defeated in 1 hit if you use the right weapon.  And despite using all the different weapons constantly -- you never seem to run out of ammo because refills are overly abundant.

MM2 is not only the easiest MM game by far, but it's also one of the easiest NES platformers period.  Even on "difficult".  I can plow through that game without using E-tanks... and usually without even dying once.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Bregalad on March 08, 2017, 01:08:23 PM
QuoteBattletoads requires exactly zero luck.
Except for the fireball and missiles at Volkmire Inferno's race, which actually are random. As well as possibily some bosses with partially random behaviour.

QuoteThe weapons in MM2 are ridiculously overpowered.  Everyone knows about spamming Metal blade and how most bosses are weak to it
It's pretty simple to refrain using weapons, though - I do that most of the time - I only use them when compulsory. Only Wood Man is actually very hard to beat without a weapon (and Crash Man is hard until you know how to exploit it's AI).

QuoteMM2 is not only the easiest MM game by far, but it's also one of the easiest NES platformers period.
When I was starting to get interested in retro/NES games, it was the only game I could beat... so that means a lot of thigns :)
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: lexluthermiester on March 11, 2017, 09:06:45 PM
Quote from: Disch on March 08, 2017, 11:38:41 AM...nonsense you uttered...

So, talking out your bum again? LOL!
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Sabin Stargem on March 19, 2017, 12:23:23 AM
La-Mulana.  Hell.  Temple.  My eyes.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SunGodPortal on March 19, 2017, 03:42:49 AM
Recently started playing Prince of Persia on the SNES. Death after death after death... I think I played it for about an hour and probably died about 40 times if not more. So far I've made it through about 10 screens. Now that I've got the hang of it I probably won't die as much but this is still very much a "you better know what to do or be able to think and react quick or it's back to the beginning" kinda game. Takes no prisoners, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Me_Dave on March 19, 2017, 06:53:53 AM
The Legend of Double Moon, it takes about a week of level grinding before you can even get anywhere, IMOP it is the toughest RPG ever made, when you first start you can get killed in ever battle you encounter so you have to pray you survive just to earn experience, and though it seems like a dragon warrior clone on the surface it is no such thing, I don't even think it's related at all, and it should not be called such.
 
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: A.D.R.I.A.N on March 19, 2017, 01:53:18 PM
Final Fantasy for the NES (especially when taking the solo thief run).
Also, SMB: The Lost Levels and Kaizo Mario are the bane of my existence (Too many invisible blocks.....).
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: geishaboy on March 19, 2017, 11:46:20 PM
My Hero for the Sega Master System.

Sweet tap-dancing Christ on a crumpet that game kicks my ass every time. Though it's one of those games that I personally find to be difficult, yet some of my friends didn't seem to have much trouble getting much further in the game than I ever could.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on March 20, 2017, 12:20:50 AM
...That game where someone asks you if you want a hurtz donut is largely not one of my favorites
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: LPFREEZOL008 on March 21, 2017, 07:26:33 AM
Megaman X4,X5 and X6, I hard time to defeat Sigma (2nd Form) and also even I set to Extreme Mode it still difficult and annoyed to beat him  >:( still this is a challenge and the best megaman series game ever.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Queen Zeal on May 28, 2017, 04:38:35 PM
Holy Diver- I can't get very far in it.
Mr.Gimmick-ugh
Battletoads- holy crap
Battle Kid:Mountain of Torment(accurate title)
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: pianohombre on June 02, 2017, 04:43:03 PM
Pretty much stuff you guys already mentioned. I can re-iterate that ice man stage & yellow devil are difficult in mm1. kaizo smw, deus ex human revolution (first boss was a challenge), sega genesis battle toads, ghosts and goblins. A lot of games that were created on a low-budget after a successful movie, or tv show were just difficult because the company sucked at making videogames, or couldn't get the controls to work properly. I could list a million examples, but just 2 examples are SNES Home Alone 2 and Sega Genesis Beavis and Butthead.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: KingMike on June 02, 2017, 07:20:43 PM
Home Alone 2 was by Imagineering, who made a lot of licensed garbage for THQ and Acclaim, but from memory HA2 might have been one of their (relatively!) better games (I mean, it's crap but I at least played to the third level with savestates). Swamp Thing for the NES, now there's an example of one that is a struggle to finish even the first stage.

I finished SNES Rocky & Bullwinkle (with savestates, adult me was glad 10-year-old me gave up on the second level) and that is definitely some kaizo-level bullshit. And yet the NES version seems to have even worse problems that kaizo difficulty.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SleepyFist on June 02, 2017, 08:09:35 PM
I know it's a given when user made levels come into the mix
but I used to make the best N+ DS levels, my favorite was one with a central room that branched into aprox 6 separate locked chambers filled with a gauntlet of meticulously placed hazards, turrets, and bots, that had to be run quickly, in numbered order, and with pixel perfect accuracy, while flipping switches more often than not obscured by gold or enemies.

I managed to complete them all separately so I know it was possible, but never as a linked whole, throw lag into the mix and it was damn near impossible to play.

My friends never really played my levels, they discovered the ninja suicide button and that was all she wrote.

there's also Syoban Action, aka Cat Mario, don't know if it's been mentioned yet,
and Eternal Champions a game I dearly love, but has an AI so overwhelmingly beastly I can barely get three levels in at best.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: gamingcat02261991 on May 19, 2021, 04:09:16 AM
Unless you're willing to input a button combination during the game's opening screens to access a cheat menu, Rocky Rodent on SNES (one of the many Sonic clones of the 90's) will give you a very hard time, especially when trying to go for a perfect score.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Samples on May 20, 2021, 03:33:42 PM
Silver Surfer was a tough one for me.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: MysticLord on May 20, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: gamingcat02261991 on May 19, 2021, 04:09:16 AM
Unless you're willing to input a button combination during the game's opening screens to access a cheat menu, Rocky Rodent on SNES (one of the many Sonic clones of the 90's) will give you a very hard time, especially when trying to go for a perfect score.
Are you by any chance VeghEsther, formerly of GameFAQs?
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: pianohombre on May 22, 2021, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: Gi Nattak on February 08, 2017, 03:45:25 PM
Currently it's Dark Souls

I have Dark Souls 2. That game is nuts but at least you can save at bonfires
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on May 23, 2021, 02:21:25 AM
Ok so this thread is back, you know what? I'm down to clown.

I had said Ninja Gaiden 1 was the hardest game I'd ever played, but for the sake of continuing the discussion I'll name another. A friend of mine and I recently Netplayed Donkey Kong Country 2.

Fuck you, Rare. Sure, just dump me into a level with a new game mechanic where I have to make a Spring-Loaded Snake I've never met and don't care about, jump really high, and don't fucking bother to tell me how unless I look it up online or read the manual, then start filling the level with toxic waste.

No, fuck you and your collect-a-thon garbage to hell. Get that shit outta here.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Mafoo343 on May 23, 2021, 03:21:42 AM
For me, the hardest game I've ever beaten, hands down, would have to be Mega Man 2.

Honorable mentions go to Gitaroo Man, Heart of Darkness and Halo 2 on Legendary, though admittedly those are still nowhere near as hard as Mega Man 2.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: PresidentLeever on May 23, 2021, 07:31:02 AM
Dragon's Lair for NES is pretty tuff. And Triad Stone for LA.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Supergamerguy on May 23, 2021, 07:32:43 AM
Quote from: Spooniest on May 23, 2021, 02:21:25 AM
Ok so this thread is back, you know what? I'm down to clown.

I had said Ninja Gaiden 1 was the hardest game I'd ever played, but for the sake of continuing the discussion I'll name another. A friend of mine and I recently Netplayed Donkey Kong Country 2.

Fuck you, Rare. Sure, just dump me into a level with a new game mechanic where I have to make a Spring-Loaded Snake I've never met and don't care about, jump really high, and don't fucking bother to tell me how unless I look it up online or read the manual, then start filling the level with toxic waste.

No, fuck you and your collect-a-thon garbage to hell. Get that shit outta here.

I agree with you on both accounts. Ninja Gaiden is really hard, especially with the respawn mechanics. And though I liked DKC2 a lot when I played it, I couldnt make it past that toxic sludge level with the Snake and haven't picked the game up since.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: KobaBeach on May 25, 2021, 08:58:23 PM
No ActRaiser 2. Shameful.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Sliver X on May 26, 2021, 10:46:45 AM
Ancient Domains of Mystery (PC): I've been playing it on and off since 1997 and still have never even come close to beating it.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Aceearly1993 on June 02, 2021, 05:18:04 AM
I would make a rather long list but untimately decided to not count self-impaled extra modes. Cyber Shadow, Rockman and Forte, Action Mogura.
Also Hollow Knight at the 4th and the final Pantheons. Those two Pantheons were utterly problematic design-wise.
if count extra modes, Blaster Master Zero (1) destroyer mode would also come into the Insane Difficulty shrine. Stuck at Venom Master for three to four hours before realizing it was impossible for my skill spec and commited rage quit. The thing: I know what its weakness is and how to deal damage to it, but due to problems with the game's perspective at top view and how the minons summoned by the boss attacks I simply can't keep the weakness weapon active, thus lead to thousands of deaths.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: cccmar on June 02, 2021, 06:13:54 AM
Pretty much any game that involves a lot of memorization and/or lots of luck - so, a good chunk of the 8-bit catalogue, especially NES games (is it just me, or are Master System games from that period generally easier? Well, My Hero wasn't.). Some examples from my POV (many of them were mentioned): Battletoads, The Immortal, Holy Diver, Amagon, Zelda II, The Simpsons games, Swamp Thing etc. On the other hand, I do not consider most JRPGs hard, because you can "usually" grind, unless the game limits that in some way - those are really tough, more often than not, and the balance is wacky (limited encounters/frequent instant death spells, for instance). There are exceptions though, like Phantasy Star 2; that game is tough no matter what.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Jorpho on June 03, 2021, 08:28:37 PM
I eventually got perfect scores on every stage in Rhythm Heaven Megamix; that's got to be the most difficult thing I've experienced in recent memory. But then, it was really the Final Remix that gave me the most trouble; it's just so long. I accept that the Challenge Train stages are beyond me.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: kuja killer on June 03, 2021, 08:38:38 PM
i'll reply to this. :) I dont really know off top of head about hardest game but...

i'm reminded of first time i played SNES final fantasy 5 for first time when i was 14 years old or something. well the "playstation 1 FF anthology" one since it wasnt officially in the US for SNES anyways...

i NEVER could freaking beat the final battle - "neo X-Death" no matter how many times i ever tried. i always thought that was the hardest final boss in any final fantasy i ever played in my life. i did not know about the real cheap "gil toss" trick to just kill anything with zero skill/effort.

I always tried to just play normally ya know ?? Never was able to beat him until like my 50th attempt or something. i didnt try to really focus on attacking all targets at once, cause that thing happens where if you kill 3 of the 4 targets, the last one will automatically switch to meteor and ultima (i think) permenately reguardless how much HP it has even if it's at the full 55,000 currently.

And thats why it was the hardest ever to me, and cause i was like 13 or 14 years old. :)
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: PolishedTurd on June 05, 2021, 11:49:08 AM
NES: Ghosts & Goblins, especially with that morale-crushing false ending and no saves. Battletoads, for brutal difficulty and limited continues. Contra without the 30 lives code. Ninja Gaiden 3, because of countless, cheap one-hit deaths from an airborne enemy into a pit. Mike Tyson's Punch Out, where you must develop lightning reflexes to defeat the namesake boss. Castlevania, requiring the mastery of clunky controls.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Eldrethor on June 06, 2021, 02:22:13 AM
Megaman & Bass (or Rockman & Forte). Of all the Megaman games I've played, I felt that this one was unreasonably hard. I eventually managed to beat it, but I was so put off by the ridiculous difficulty that I didn't even bother getting all of the collectable discs.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Supergamerguy on June 06, 2021, 07:42:36 AM
Quote from: Eldrethor on June 06, 2021, 02:22:13 AM
Megaman & Bass (or Rockman & Forte). Of all the Megaman games I've played, I felt that this one was unreasonably hard. I eventually managed to beat it, but I was so put off by the ridiculous difficulty that I didn't even bother getting all of the collectable discs.

I was in that same boat sometime last year. I enjoyed playing it, but I had to play as Bass and use save states to make any progress, not to mention how difficult the King and Wily Stages were. There was no way I was going to replay the game to get some disc info at that point. :P
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Zero Meaning on June 06, 2021, 12:00:47 PM
Quote from: Spooniest on May 23, 2021, 02:21:25 AM
Fuck you, Rare. Sure, just dump me into a level with a new game mechanic where I have to make a Spring-Loaded Snake I've never met and don't care about, jump really high, and don't fucking bother to tell me how unless I look it up online or read the manual, then start filling the level with toxic waste.
This isn't quite true. You're introduced to Rattly in the first world, and even if you never read the manual, the button to make him jump high is written out in bananas. There are several other points in the game where Rattly appears, and there's even a level where you're forced to play as him (Rattle Battle). The rising water mechanic is also used in a previous level (Slime Climb).

With any older game, the manual contains most of the story, the controls, and various other important pieces of information. Nowadays, we're spoiled by games with baked-in tutorials. Back then, reading a manual was the norm. Now that the internet is widespread, it's not too hard to skim through a pdf online.

I will 100% agree with you that the level you had problems with is difficult. It was a wall for me too back in the '90s. The later race level (Screech's Sprint) is also tough as nails, iirc.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Jorpho on June 06, 2021, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Zero Meaning on June 06, 2021, 12:00:47 PMWith any older game, the manual contains most of the story, the controls, and various other important pieces of information.
Eh, maybe not any older game. There are absolutely some poorly-written and incomplete manuals out there.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: cccmar on June 06, 2021, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: Zero Meaning on June 06, 2021, 12:00:47 PM
With any older game, the manual contains most of the story, the controls, and various other important pieces of information. Nowadays, we're spoiled by games with baked-in tutorials. Back then, reading a manual was the norm. Now that the internet is widespread, it's not too hard to skim through a pdf online.

Had the same problems when it comes to stages, mainly because Battletoads is mostly about memorization. I didn't find it insanely difficult once you remember things, but yeah, that's another thing.

And yeah, we tend to forget about it nowadays, but back then you'd use the manuals much more often (and guides, especially in Japan; they had them for every single game in existence, it would seem). Nowadays you just check things online and you'll find tons of info on most games, unless they're some "very" obscure regional exclusives.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Zero Meaning on June 06, 2021, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: cccmar on June 06, 2021, 01:01:29 PM
back then you'd use the manuals much more often (and guides, especially in Japan; they had them for every single game in existence, it would seem).

Yes, and helplines, too. Part of the reason why many games back then were so tough must have been to make money from people calling in or getting a Nintendo Power subscription.

Back on topic, the hardest game I've played has to be Ghosts 'n Goblins. I can barely get past the first guy, not to speak of the rest of it. While I never owned that, I did have Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts, which was also pretty difficult (I never beat it until later with save states). The fact that you're forced to play through the games in that franchise twice to get the true ending is absolutely sadistic.

Has anyone mentioned the Disney games? Some of those were utterly ruthless. I'm thinking of The Lion King, Aladdin, etc. In that whole era, companies were trying to crack down on customers abusing rentals, so they made the games so hard that it was more worth it to simply buy the games rather than renting multiple times. That was really the only way to dedicate enough time to be able to beat them.

Let's also not forget the Super Star Wars trilogy. Holy crap, were those games bullshit. Especially Empire. Just ridiculous.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Noside on June 06, 2021, 03:28:08 PM
Wanna go insane? play Legacy of the Wizard for the NES witout a guide, that frustrated me and it's impossible.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Spooniest on June 07, 2021, 06:19:52 AM
Quote from: Zero Meaning on June 06, 2021, 12:00:47 PM
This isn't quite true.

Help, I've been "well ackshually"-d! :D Hehehe

There was a lot about that game that frustrated the hell out of me, which reading the manual or knowing the mechanics would not have helped with, though. I was trying to keep it concise for the sake of brevity.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Zero Meaning on June 07, 2021, 07:20:04 AM
Quote from: Spooniest on June 07, 2021, 06:19:52 AM
Help, I've been "well ackshually"-d! :D Hehehe

There was a lot about that game that frustrated the hell out of me, which reading the manual or knowing the mechanics would not have helped with, though. I was trying to keep it concise for the sake of brevity.

Yeah, sorry about that!

I grew up with DKC1 and 2, so spent many hours getting 'good' at them (I still suck). Many consider DKC2 to be the hardest of the original trilogy, which could very well be true; several of the late levels are bonkers. Just now went through a few levels and forgot how awful Animal Antics is.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Jorpho on June 07, 2021, 10:28:57 AM
Seems to me that trying to get 101% completion in DKC1 without a guide is a rather mind-melting endeavor. But I must confess I have yet to play DKC2.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Eldrethor on June 08, 2021, 01:56:14 AM
Quote from: Zero Meaning on June 07, 2021, 07:20:04 AM
Yeah, sorry about that!

I grew up with DKC1 and 2, so spent many hours getting 'good' at them (I still suck). Many consider DKC2 to be the hardest of the original trilogy, which could very well be true; several of the late levels are bonkers. Just now went through a few levels and forgot how awful Animal Antics is.

Oh god, Squawks' section in Animal Antics is the reason why I get shudders from hearing Stickerbush Symphony. The beehive levels were also miserable though, with the worst of them being Parrot Chute Panic with purple Squawks.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: gamingcat02261991 on May 17, 2022, 05:03:00 AM
Quote from: MysticLord on May 20, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Are you by any chance VeghEsther, formerly of GameFAQs?
Heck no.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: pianohombre on May 19, 2022, 09:39:01 PM
This game is pretty cake most of the way through, which kind of throws you off for the final boss (Jecht/"sin"/Brasska's final aeon in Final Fantasy X). I recently read a strategy to get 2 Wings of Discovery to unlock Trio of 9999 with Rikku, but he has a cheap sword-blow that knocks out most of your party unless you cast protect, and if he uses Jecht Beam on your party member and you don't use soft to unpetrify him you have to fight him with only 2 characters now. This move blasts through Stone Ward if you add that to armor and Petrify Grenade is a rare item if you try to get stone proof. There's a lot of different strategies online, but I'll probably beat it within the next couple days. I know some monsters in the Monster Arena are tougher than Jecht, but most FF games are pretty cake usually you don't need a strategy guide.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: DragonSpikeXIII on May 22, 2022, 03:21:40 PM
Space Megaforce. I could finish S.T.G. just fine, but not Space. I could always go back though, we'll see.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: ultimaweapon on June 10, 2022, 01:13:17 PM
"Cobra Triangle" and "The Adventures Of Captain Comic" on the NES were extremely hard games for me. I haven't beaten either game. I've at least beaten Ghost N Goblins!  :laugh:

Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: tc on June 10, 2022, 05:13:39 PM
The bonkers CPU opponents of Hyper Street Fighter II.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: hypnosisplz on August 20, 2022, 01:52:03 PM
Dark Souls
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SmasherK on August 22, 2022, 11:20:47 PM
I've completed games in the Mega Man, Monster Hunter, and Dark Souls series. Even though I like to think of myself as no stranger to difficulties, I've never been able to go past Ghosts 'N Goblins' very first level. That game simply combines difficulty and unfairness into an evil concoction that shouldn't exist. I also play GTA with mods at this site (https://cheatmaster.cc) and found some missions very difficult but also enjoy them as much.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: pianohombre on September 08, 2022, 11:42:22 PM
I've gotten past snes ghosts and goblins (whatever they call it) stage 1 and used a save state for stage 2. I find Dark Souls to be challenging but not as much fun. Recently learned Bloodborne is the toughest of the souls' series. Cuphead is also difficult.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Recca on September 09, 2022, 04:35:55 PM
Off the top of my head, I would say Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts, Contra III: The Alien Wars, ActRaiser 2 and The 7th Saga in that order. Some of the Ys games can also be pretty challenging on Nightmare mode, which is as it sounds, the hardest difficulty setting. There's no doubt some other titles too that I can't remember at the moment as well. Especially some of those older cheap arcade games which were purposely made just to eat away at your quarters.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Bonesy on September 09, 2022, 10:46:41 PM
IDK about hardest ever but recently I tried playing Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 PS1 for a fairly easy competition thing where I had to get gold on the first competition stage.

I did not grow up with tony hawk. I had a month to do it and I just couldn't do it. A friend dedicated part of his twitch stream to trying to teach me, even!
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: pianohombre on September 10, 2022, 02:10:02 AM
I played THPS 1-3 in HS loved them, but maybe skating wasn't the best hobby to be successful in life (unless you're Tony Hawk). I got the remake on ps4 and love it!
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: ultimaweapon on September 14, 2022, 09:33:04 PM
I have to add Strider for the NES because I could never pull off the wall jump. I still can't do the solo wall jump in Super Metroid, but at least it isn't needed to beat the game.

Karate Champ was also extremely difficult to beat in the arcade.

And I still don't know anyone who has beaten Chakan: The Forever Man on the Genesis
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: capncrunch992 on September 27, 2022, 11:39:06 PM
The original Gradius III arcade ROM, not the revised version. I'm still not convinced the game is legitimately winnable until I see someone beat it under some kind of tournament standard. You can't credit feed your way through since there's no continue option.

I believe the developers did confirm each stage could be completed individually, but none of them actually did a complete playthrough of the entire game before it got shipped out.

Players were so pissed off by the absurd difficulty that Konami ended up recalling the cabinets. Were it not for the more simplified SFC home port, this game probably would have been kicked to the curb and never spoken of again.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: SpookyElectric on October 07, 2022, 08:24:44 AM
Quote from: capncrunch992 on September 27, 2022, 11:39:06 PMThe original Gradius III arcade ROM, not the revised version. I'm still not convinced the game is legitimately winnable until I see someone beat it under some kind of tournament standard.

What if I told you there's people who've made it to loop 15 on one credit?


Quote from: capncrunch992 on September 27, 2022, 11:39:06 PMI believe the developers did confirm each stage could be completed individually, but none of them actually did a complete playthrough of the entire game before it got shipped out.

Players were so pissed off by the absurd difficulty that Konami ended up recalling the cabinets.

On a side note, curious to see a source on these claims. I know Truxton 2's developers admitted they couldn't clear their own game, but this is the first I'm hearing about Gradius 3 having that issue.

Never saw anything about a recall mentioned, either. If Konami didn't pull Detana Twinbee or Parodius Da from arcades (which somehow were even more punishing), I doubt they'd do it for this.
Title: Re: The hardest game you ever played.
Post by: Aceearly1993 on October 08, 2022, 02:41:22 AM
D1896 and Dark Dreams by Arkhouse Telegraph (https://arkhousetelegraph.blogspot.com/). Most likely the worst 2D action mechanic ever since commercial games left 16-bit era and moved further. I still don't know how exact goddamn reason why D1896 won't let you save mid-stage progress; as a result I really didn't have the physical powers to get through it in one sit.

REALLY worrying about the mental conditions of the main lead...