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Title: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Chronosplit on July 23, 2016, 11:39:43 am
It appears to be using Taxman's engine for the whole thing.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxmtYdEWVzo

I remain cautiously optimistic, it's a pretty neat idea for an anniversary either way.  I admit that it's going to take a lot to pull me from Sonic 3 Complete though.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: SCD on July 23, 2016, 12:18:46 pm
When I saw the trailer last night during their stream, I got super excited because this is the Sonic 4 I've been waiting for 22 years to be made.

Sega finally got it right this time around and they also finally listened to us as well.

It's definitely in good hands because Taxman knows what he's doing and he also knows what the fans want as well.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Bahamut ZERO on July 23, 2016, 12:34:16 pm
Hell yeah! I hope there's no goofy gimmicks like a few of the last decent Sonics I've played on GBA and DS.

In any case, it's about damn time a seemingly good Sonic game's in the works.  :D
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Jorpho on July 23, 2016, 01:22:22 pm
Isn't it great when someone releases a trailer that spends 50% of its time talking up older games?

Anyway, does this mean Sonic XG is dead?  Last time I checked (just about a year ago), its GoFundMe was at https://www.gofundme.com/oyprqo , but curiously it makes no mention of Sonic XG anymore.  That was the fangame that Taxman was kind-sorta-formerly involved in, you may recall.
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_XG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkF2VDXC9Gs
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: SCD on July 23, 2016, 01:36:51 pm
I think he may have canceled Sonic XG and transferred some of his ideas that he made for that game to Sonic Mania.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Chronosplit on July 23, 2016, 01:45:24 pm
Isn't it great when someone releases a trailer that spends 50% of its time talking up older games?
That's part of why I'm cautious, Sega's been hitting the "nostalgia button" pretty hard for a while now.  Though I guess since this is an anniversary thing it makes sense this time around.  For example their other new project is mostly a retread of Generations' idea, though they claim it isn't revisiting history for the third or fourth time (I guess one could say with Sega's current financial situation they just decided to recycle as many resources as possible?)

Unsure about the fangame.  Maybe he'll mention it in an interview or something.

It's definitely in good hands because Taxman knows what he's doing and he also knows what the fans want as well.
I agree, Taxman's about the only person connected with such anymore that still knows what made Sonic tick.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: SleepyFist on July 23, 2016, 02:02:51 pm
I saw SomecallmeJohnny talking about it first thing in the morning, I am actually HYPED for this, which is something I don't usually do.
I'm just glad they're stepping back to the last point where the series really worked, maybe if this is a success they can start taking it forward again from here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Qd4hzt1sQ
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Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: MathUser2929 on July 23, 2016, 04:08:25 pm
They kinda are stepping back. They also announced a 3d title by Sonic Team that has regular Sonic and classic Sonic in it. No gameplay shown of it but I am guessing it will play like Sonic Generations.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Spooniest on July 23, 2016, 05:33:05 pm
Looks sweet. Lots of additional animations that I've never seen before, such as when Sonic goes through a loop, you see the sprite scale around, rather than cycling through a few sprites.

Semi-transparent shadow trails of Sonic running real fast and the mobius strip foot animation are also welcome. One is a new thing, the other is a thing I've always liked.

They're not cramming bajillions of characters in. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, done. Maybe there are secret characters if you collect 100 widgets or something. But keeping the character roster down to minimum and (presumably) keeping the story out of the way of going fast and smashing badniks are plusses in my book. I mean, they didn't say boo about any story this game may or may not have. To me, that's heartening, too. I didn't enjoy it when the story started to dominate Sonic games.

...Seems neat. I likey.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Bahamut ZERO on July 23, 2016, 06:53:41 pm
I never really cared for stories in Sonic games, I just want to kill robots, grab rings, and run like a cheetah on cocaine.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Chronosplit on July 23, 2016, 08:31:42 pm
I never really cared for stories in Sonic games, I just want to kill robots, grab rings, and run like a cheetah on cocaine.  :thumbsup:
The only thing plotwise that I got attached to about Sonic games was in 3&K when they did the cutscenes.  It was handled perfectly, and even a little scene showing how they got to the next zone was just enough to feel like it was one big journey instead of just going zone-to-zone.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: justin3009 on July 23, 2016, 08:50:07 pm
That title screen animation with Sonic legit made me almost tear up.  I was a huge Sonic fan way, way back in the day and the numerous games over the years have gone down sharply in quality.  Even if this one is just a possible nostalgia train, I'm hyped for it.  It looks pretty damn gorgeous thus far.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: KaioShin on July 24, 2016, 03:42:33 am
Remember that scene from Simpsons where Homer touches the hot stove repeatedly because he doesn't learn from getting burned? That's people still caring about Sonic.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: tc on July 24, 2016, 05:32:53 am
I don't get all the nostalgia talk. To me it looks more like Sonic CD.
Guess I should be glad I don't hang around Sonic fans enough to get roped into the debate over that. :crazy:
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: PresidentLeever on July 24, 2016, 06:40:43 am
It's great that they're using widescreen, and the new tileset looks good. Music seems good, though I prefer 1-2 style over CD or Sonic 3. Hard to say anything more than that right now.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Chronosplit on July 24, 2016, 09:12:46 am
Remember that scene from Simpsons where Homer touches the hot stove repeatedly because he doesn't learn from getting burned? That's people still caring about Sonic.
This is true for the most part, but Mania actually has something going for it.

I haven't given a toss about anything Sonic for a good few years until this popped up.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Spooniest on July 24, 2016, 09:41:48 am
Remember that scene from Simpsons where Homer touches the hot stove repeatedly because he doesn't learn from getting burned? That's people still caring about Sonic.

(http://i.imgur.com/PY8zQDi.jpg)

Just because it's not brown and full of blood and mud doesn't mean it's not a good game Kaio. I respect that you are not a Sonic fan, but people other than you have opinions...man.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: KaioShin on July 24, 2016, 09:46:27 am
Just because it's not brown and full of blood and mud doesn't mean it's not a good game Kaio.

Wow, and this has what to do with what I wrote?

That like 18 of the last 20 Sonic games were complete garbage has nothing to do with their genre or their color palette. This is desperation right there.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: MathUser2929 on July 24, 2016, 09:59:37 am
I thought KaioShin was staff but I see he's a hero member. I was gonna say staff should allow people to have opinions like liking the Sonic series but nevermind.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Spooniest on July 24, 2016, 10:02:14 am
Wow, and this has what to do with what I wrote? Can you read? Should I have posted a gif instead of describing the scene?

That like 18 of the last 20 Sonic games were complete garbage has nothing to do with their genre or their color palette. This is desperation right there.

Details aside, my primary issue is that you have absolutely 0 tolerance for others' opinions. You have behaved this way the entire time I have known your posting habits on this forum.

You realize other people have opinions right? I mean, you don't literally consider yourself God of the Universe?
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: KaioShin on July 24, 2016, 10:11:18 am
"Tolerance" lmao.

You can have any opinion you want. I don't really care if you find watching paint dry to be the most amazing thing on the planet. But this is a discussion board. If you post an opinion, expect people to comment on it. If that causes you social anxiety, I'd suggest keeping your opinions to yourself. If I write that game xyz is bad for some reason that is my opinion about the game. If you consider that a personal attack, that is your problem. It's sad that people get so invested in franchises and mascots that they take it personal how much other people approve of them.

Or is the old hat that people can't understand that anything posted on a board is a personal opinion and not a statement of absolute truth, even if not every single statement is followed by "in my opinion"?
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Spooniest on July 24, 2016, 10:14:07 am
Comparing Sonic Fans to Homer Simpson is insulting in the extreme. Stop trying to wriggle out of it with fancy talk.

Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: KaioShin on July 24, 2016, 10:20:35 am
What would you compare people who get hyped again over a franchise that failed to meet expectations over and over to? Stephen Hawkins? Homer Simpson is not a real person. He is a cartoon character. That scene is hyperbolic commentary on repeating human behaviour. I'm sorry you don't appreciate the Simpsons.

If I HAD posted a gif instead of writing it out people would have understood it as a joke. I actually searched for a pic of the scene, couldn't find one.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Spooniest on July 24, 2016, 10:54:44 am
You must be referring to Dr. Stephen Hawking.

Stop using words that hurt, Kaio. You're hurting people's inside feelings.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Bahamut ZERO on July 24, 2016, 12:35:14 pm
The only thing plotwise that I got attached to about Sonic games was in 3&K when they did the cutscenes.  It was handled perfectly, and even a little scene showing how they got to the next zone was just enough to feel like it was one big journey instead of just going zone-to-zone.

Exactly! That's all the plot one needs to see in a Sonic the Hedgehog game.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: SunGodPortal on July 24, 2016, 03:07:55 pm
I thought KaioShin was staff but I see he's a hero member. I was gonna say staff should allow people to have opinions like liking the Sonic series but nevermind.

Hey. Staff are people too, man.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Spooniest on July 24, 2016, 03:48:39 pm
I just wanna be totally clear and copacetic in that I did not intend to upset anyone with my comments. Sorry if I was a bit harsh, Kaio.

Insert image of XKCD comic about someone being wrong on the internet
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Lilinda on July 24, 2016, 05:47:13 pm
I thought KaioShin was staff but I see he's a hero member. I was gonna say staff should allow people to have opinions like liking the Sonic series but nevermind.

He retired a while back from all positions except for IRC, much like myself.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Idkbutlike2 on July 24, 2016, 07:05:18 pm
Comparing Sonic Fans to Homer Simpson is insulting in the extreme. Stop trying to wriggle out of it with fancy talk.
lol have you seen the Sonic fanbase? Frankly, I'd be more sorry for Homer getting himself compared to them than vice versa. :crazy:
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Spooniest on July 24, 2016, 07:38:49 pm
Perhaps it is lost on you that I am a Sonic Fan. No, I don't keep up with most fandoms these days.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: jink640 on July 24, 2016, 08:01:51 pm
Perhaps it is lost on you that I am a Sonic Fan. No, I don't keep up with most fandoms these days.
Are you a fan of the newer 3d games? It sounds like it, but they are just not good. I can assume that you like the 2d ones, just like everyone else, but I agree with Kaio in that Sega has really dropped the ball with the franchise. What are your thoughts on it?
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Jorpho on July 24, 2016, 08:25:48 pm
They're not cramming bajillions of characters in. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, done. Maybe there are secret characters if you collect 100 widgets or something. But keeping the character roster down to minimum and (presumably) keeping the story out of the way of going fast and smashing badniks are plusses in my book.
They already tried that in Sonic Colors and Sonic Lost World, didn't they?
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: tvtoon on July 24, 2016, 08:28:06 pm
You all hurt my feelings, I like both Simpsons and Sonic, this is the best game ever done by a running man, my opinion rules, yours sucks!

Not only that, just by watching the trailer, there will be mud and blood this time... FURRY BLOOD! :D
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Spooniest on July 24, 2016, 10:10:12 pm
Are you a fan of the newer 3d games? It sounds like it, but they are just not good. I can assume that you like the 2d ones, just like everyone else, but I agree with Kaio in that Sega has really dropped the ball with the franchise. What are your thoughts on it?

I got Sonic Adventure and thought it was ok. Didn't care for the story bits.

I kind of got into rock music at that point and lost track of gaming...but uh, from everything I've heard, yeah, the franchise has been run (:D) into the ground.

But the thing in this trailer looks actually good for a change, I dunno why people gotta be unpleasant.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: MathUser2929 on July 25, 2016, 12:10:33 am
The Romhacking group that thinks it's too cool for Sonic fans.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: SunGodPortal on July 25, 2016, 12:29:51 am
The Romhacking group that thinks it's too cool for Sonic fans.

I don't blame them for hanging on. Some times it pays off. For example, I thought the first Aura Noir album was awesome but every time they released something after that I was always disappointed and almost gave up on them. Then, a few years ago they released "Out to Die" and suddenly they were firing on all cylinders again. Had I given up on them completely, I would have missed out on what may very well be my favorite album from 2012.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: MathUser2929 on July 25, 2016, 01:19:29 am
If they gave up too early they would have missed out on Sonic Generations. And now a Genesis Sonic officially sanctioned and sold homebrew/hack. Not to mention the supposed Sonic Generations sequel.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Psychlonic on July 25, 2016, 02:28:26 am
All Sega has to do here is leave the team alone to make this game and make it correctly. It looks like a good game precisely because of who's developing it, but Sega still has the potential to pull a stupid and ruin it by forcing its release early, intervention, etc. Never underestimate Sega's ability to ruin anything. Their management lately is like the opposite of the hand of Midas.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: SleepyFist on July 25, 2016, 10:40:52 am
If they gave up too early they would have missed out on Sonic Generations. And now a Genesis Sonic officially sanctioned and sold homebrew/hack. Not to mention the supposed Sonic Generations sequel.
Definitely homebrew, its been programmed in headcannon engine probably (http://www.headcannon.com/HCGE/)
as for the remixed Green Hill I'm hoping for one of three things

A. Its just there as a test level
B. Its a bonus stage
C. Its part of an optional Retro mode
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Jorpho on July 25, 2016, 09:10:04 pm
That reminds me, does anyone remember that brief Youtube clip that showed up a few years ago, featuring some extra fancy-looking hires rendered 2D Green Hill zone?
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Psychlonic on July 25, 2016, 10:44:16 pm
Sonic 2 HD? GHZ was released, the team did a good job but internal bickering ground the project to a halt and nothing else ever really happened. Supposedly they're still working on it... except they're not.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Chaos Rush on July 25, 2016, 11:06:19 pm
I can understand why some people are skeptical of this given SEGA's history in the 21st century, but personally I'm excited for this. This is the first 2D Sonic game in the past 20 years that is NOT being developed by Dimps; it is being developed by Christian Whitehead and Simon Thomley who accurately recreated Sonic CD, 1, and 2 for mobile in their own game engine. These guys have analyzed every nook and cranny of Sonic CD, Sonic 1, and Sonic 2 (and probably Sonic 3 & Knuckles), and it's about damn time that SEGA finally lets them make a Sonic game. I am so glad that SEGA seems to finally be ditching Dimps for 2D Sonic games. Sonic Mania is in good hands, and the guys behind it* have a good track record so far :)

*I'm not talking about SEGA, I'm talking about Christian Whithead and Simon Thomley
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: Gemini on July 26, 2016, 02:38:44 am
I agree, the fact that Whitehead is working on this should give the game a solid gameplay. I also love how the trailer tries so hard to phrase the idea of "oh yes, we know recent Sonic fucking sucks, that's why we're giving you a proper one actually going back to what made it good".
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: FAST6191 on July 26, 2016, 05:12:58 am
Unless the staff is going around editing posts of the sonic fans then I fail to see why staff of anywhere should be required to hold neutral opinions -- it is the whole "mods are normal users with a broom" principle. I would have to agree though -- trying to be a Sonic fan after the 16 bit era was an exercise in masochism, I guess Rush was not the worst, though by no means comparable to the classics, and some people liked colours but the rest... even most of the ports/remakes were sub par. Similarly I have no idea where the Sonic Adventure fanbase sprang from as at the time the games were generally panned, most people in the years since pointed at them being where it all went wrong and that was how it was set to be. I don't think I was echo chambering myself (it seemed to be the opinion on ign, gamespot, gametrailers and gamefaqs as well as nice places to be on the internet), then again I did not see ? the hedgehog fan fiction ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA-4B2d4L18 ) coming either and would not have pegged it as a franchise close to being amenable to that sort of thing.

To that end I will believe it when I see it. There were some nice ideas in the thing I saw in a video I was linked but some of the animations and colours gave me pause.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: MathUser2929 on July 26, 2016, 07:41:22 am
People liking Sonic Adventure now is kinda like how people grew to like Zelda Winds Waker years after it came out. At the time it came out people said the graphics were kiddy but over time people began to revere it as a zelda game.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: FAST6191 on July 26, 2016, 11:25:00 am
People liked wind waker at the time though and the gameplay is pretty solid, end game treasure hunt not withstanding. Sonic adventure was panned by basically everybody (or at least "this ain't sonic") and does not exactly have solid gameplay to fall back on.

There have been plenty of games I have unexpectedly found a huge fanbase for but I never expected it for adventure.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: SleepyFist on July 26, 2016, 11:39:34 am
I actually like SA2 dark tone and all (though it could have used more work) but hated how it ditched the hub worlds from SA1, on the other hand I tried to go back to SA1 directors cut and found it kinda awful, music is great in both though.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: MegaManJuno on July 26, 2016, 03:39:45 pm
Personally, while I've never downright hated what I've played of any of the Sonic games I've tried, I never really jumped on the fan bandwagon either.

They built a character for speed, then either designed levels where you have to take it slow, or they throw in random "traps" that punish the player for using said speed. So while I don't mind the character and the idea behind the games, the level designs generally left me feeling a bit "meh".

Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: FAST6191 on July 26, 2016, 04:59:53 pm
Some have argued that speed was never the aim, control however was and the levels reflected that. High level play then also reflecting that a bit and instead getting you to memorise things. Some mistook the marketing cretins as having a valid point and went for speed later on.
Title: Re: This new Sonic is something interesting.
Post by: USC on July 26, 2016, 06:41:05 pm
Wow, the graphics look like a mix between Sonic Crackers (http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_Crackers) and the fan-game Sonic: Time Attacked (http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog:_Time_Attacked). I'm super excited about this!

And I definitely agree with FAST6191 about control vs speed; my favorite Sonic game was Sonic CD, which is probably the "slowest" of the originals. The exploration and warping between different versions of the level was what made it fun - but once you have a time period's area half-way memorized, you can blaze through pretty quickly.