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Title: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SleepyFist on November 19, 2015, 03:30:38 pm
Have you ever personally been influenced to either buy a terrible game because of amazing box art?
Or have refrained from picking up a great game because its cover looked hideous?

I bought the terrible Unlimited SaGa(PS2), and Deadly Arts(N64) based on awesome box art but almost passed up Maximo: Ghosts to Glory and Beyond Good and Evil based on theirs.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SunGodPortal on November 19, 2015, 06:52:52 pm
I passed on The Guardian Legend for some time because the art on the cartridge says absolutely nothing and therefore gives you no indication of what type of game that it might be.

I also remember thinking that Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball sounded awesome. Then I played it and was incredibly pissed by LAIM it was (HA, see what I did there?). After a long streak of getting burned by games that were the ultimate in suckage it became really difficult for me to convince myself to buy any more games that I didn't already know quite a bit about. I was sick of being ripped off by game carts that would have been worth more had they been filled with AIDS.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: Jorpho on November 19, 2015, 06:53:31 pm
Galleries of terrible box art exist in abundance.

Curious that you would cite Unlimited Saga; its box art doesn't seem particularly distinguished at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlimited_Saga
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: Zynk on November 19, 2015, 07:39:01 pm
this should accompany some pics:
Unlimited SaGa
Spoiler:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/91/Unlimited_Saga_cover.jpg)

Deadly Arts
Spoiler:
(http://img.gamefaqs.net/box/8/1/7/2817_front.jpg)
Yeah if it has good anime character designs on the cover, I would suckeredly bought it. But based on the reviews, I guess it had only good on it is the music.

Guardian Legend US, EU, and JP, respectively
Spoiler:
(http://img.gamefaqs.net/box/2/0/3/49203_front.jpg) (http://img.gamefaqs.net/box/2/0/4/49204_front.jpg) (http://img.gamefaqs.net/box/2/0/2/49202_front.jpg)
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SunGodPortal on November 19, 2015, 08:03:21 pm
Wow. I would have def bought GL if it had the JP art. Looks badass. Almost has an H.R. Giger flair to it (just add in a dick somewhere LOL - those familiar with his style will understand...). Even the PAL version tells more than those stupid, likely totally irrenelvant eyes of the US version. Looking at that I never would have guessed that the game plays like Zelda 1 alternating with verticle shooter segments.

I like that Unlimited SaGa cover. It's cute/pretty. :P
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SleepyFist on November 19, 2015, 08:29:41 pm
Wow. I would have def bought GL if it had the JP art. Looks badass. Almost has an H.R. Giger flair to it (just add in a dick somewhere LOL - those familiar with his style will understand...). Even the PAL version tells more than those stupid, likely totally irrenelvant eyes of the US version. Looking at that I never would have guessed that the game plays like Zelda 1 alternating with verticle shooter segments.
Probably the same, I haven't even heard of Guardian Legend before but if I saw the EU or JP boxart I wouldve bought it in a heartbeat, If I was confronted by the US art though, id probably pass unless id done my research beforehand.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: PresidentLeever on November 19, 2015, 08:46:40 pm
Not since the late 90s because I would either read about the game in a magazine or look it up on the internet from then on, but I remember not getting Strider for the MD as a kid because of its EU box art. It also happens to have great JP box art.

EU:
Spoiler:
(http://images.nintendolife.com/games/megadrive/strider/cover_large.jpg)
JP:
Spoiler:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs23Y_HCEAQITy0.jpg)
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: Sliver X on November 19, 2015, 10:27:06 pm
Basically any Atari 2600 game would be a candidate for this.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: Spooniest on November 19, 2015, 11:57:34 pm
I've never been one to judge a book by its cover, and that goes for games too.

Even before I started buying games, I had a subscription to Electronic Gaming Monthly. The Review Crew was actually super helpful to me in determining if a game was any good or not.

Though I have to say that I expected Wolverine for the NES to be a lot better than it ended up being, simply because I had grown up reading my dad's X-Men comics and thought it would make a great game. Seriously, how does somebody screw up a Wolverine game, LJN???
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: tryphon on November 20, 2015, 01:24:17 am
Basically any Atari 2600 game would be a candidate for this.

Any western Sega Master System too (and most Genesis).

Westerners are really bad at designing covers.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: vivify93 on November 20, 2015, 01:47:25 am
Not even that misleading, but absolutely hideous. http://i.imgur.com/06FYvxu.png

What the hell is wrong with Rolf's face?
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SunGodPortal on November 20, 2015, 02:30:41 am
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Not since the late 90s because I would either read about the game in a magazine or look it up on the internet from then on, but I remember not getting Strider for the MD as a kid because of its EU box art. It also happens to have great JP box art.

That EU cover is so lame it's almost cool. LOL

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Basically any Atari 2600 game would be a candidate for this.

Oh man. Fuck the 2600. Every game has a cool cover and the games are shit. That system probably has the highest turd ratio of any ever created. I'm guessing they let anything be released on that system. IMO the Intellivision kills any Atari system.

Having said that, Kaboom, Super Break-Out and Berzerk were the shit.

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I think the main problem with a lot of western game covers is the same as with anime. When someone imports it they try to do so as cheaply as possible. They probably aren't given a lot of money to accomplish what they need to do, so the box art looks cheap just as the voice acting in a lot of anime is cringe-inducing if you are familiar with how a person actual talks and emphasizes emotion. They just couldn't afford to do any better and when placed next to original version where the developers had a much bigger budget, odds are they will look/sound very poor in comparison.

Of course... When making one of these "on the cheap covers", having a cover image that tells you nothing about the game is just stupid. it's no wonder that The Guardian Legend was so overlooked.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SleepyFist on November 20, 2015, 12:09:42 pm
Well check this out, I freaking love Mischief Makers to bits, but heres the NA cover

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Mischief_Makers.jpg)
Child me saw this and thought it was a game about football for some reason, so yeah.

And here's the JP art that I just discovered recently.
(http://gamelosers.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/mischiefmakersj.jpg)
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: chillyfeez on November 20, 2015, 12:54:16 pm
I disagree that the 2600 qualifies here. You knerw what you were getting into. Nobody was misled by the cover art.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: Bahamut ZERO on November 20, 2015, 06:16:34 pm
Not since the late 90s because I would either read about the game in a magazine or look it up on the internet from then on, but I remember not getting Strider for the MD as a kid because of its EU box art. It also happens to have great JP box art.

That EU boxart makes me think of some buff, german body builder running saying "I'm dah Strider, yahh. Ah'm goin too cutchu up with hein sword!

Strider: The Movie. Coming to a theatre near you.  ;D
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: Spooniest on November 20, 2015, 07:54:03 pm
That EU boxart makes me think of some buff, german body builder running saying "I'm dah Strider, yahh. Ah'm goin too cutchu up with hein sword!

Strider: The Movie. Coming to a theatre near you.  ;D

Arnold Schwarzenegger playing Strider Hiryu...?

You know I'm so tired right now that it actually sounds like my kinda flick!
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SunGodPortal on November 20, 2015, 08:11:15 pm
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Arnold Schwarzenegger playing Strider Hiryu...?

You know I'm so tired right now that it actually sounds like my kinda flick!

The guy on the box kinda looks like James Van Der Beek to me. No idea who I'd want to play him though.

For some reason the guy on the JP box makes me think he would be cool as a young Hiroyuki Sanada. Thinking of him makes me want to watch Legend of the Eight Samurai or Samurai Reincarnation. Can't get enough of those two.
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Post by: Chpexo on November 20, 2015, 09:18:28 pm
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Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SunGodPortal on November 20, 2015, 11:46:14 pm
Oh yeah. Phalanx!

I def remember passing that one up because all I could think was "WTF?" when I saw it. Part of me wanted to get it just because it was funny (just like Exhibit A, which I almost bought because of how stupid it looked) but at that point I had already been burned so many times I wasn't willing to take any chances.

Exhibit A:
Spoiler:
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140318070613/lyricwiki/images/0/0e/Chuck_Mangione_-_Feels_So_Good.jpg)
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: chillyfeez on November 21, 2015, 12:01:02 am
It's not misleading, per se, but I always hated this as a kid:

(http://images.nintendolife.com/news/2013/06/weirdness_the_mystery_of_the_mega_man_2_box_art_pistol_is_explained/large.jpg)

1) mega Man doesn't use a pistol. The gun is his arm.

2) that's clearly Dr. Light and not Wily sicking the bad guys against Mega Man.

3) none of those guys look like robots or even cyborgs. They're clearly dudes in leotards.

4) Mega Man might even be a woman. I have to double-take every time because I swear I see a boob on that torso.

and finally,
5) Bubble Man, Air Man, Quick Man, Heat Man, Wood Man, Metal Man, Flash Man, Crash Man... which one of those guys do they think has a drill arm?!
It's like they didn't even consider playing the game...

Retracted. I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: KingMike on November 21, 2015, 12:11:21 am
I'm guessing they let anything be released on that system.
It had no lockout so they couldn't stop it if they wanted to.
Either Atari didn't think of it or they didn't think it was necessary.
Don't you know the story of Activision? Atari thought that by making the system they automatically held the sole legal right to make games for it. When Activision started making games for the 2600, Atari thought they could just sue Activision for making games without permission, and it was ruled they didn't need to ask.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SunGodPortal on November 21, 2015, 12:23:38 am
Is it just me or does MegaMan's hand (the one with the gun) look like it's on backwards?
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: Jorpho on November 21, 2015, 12:29:39 am
5) Bubble Man, Air Man, Quick Man, Heat Man, Wood Man, Metal Man, Flash Man, Crash Man... which one of those guys do they think has a drill arm?!
It's like they didn't even consider playing the game...
Crash Man totally has drills for arms.  What do you think they are?
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: chillyfeez on November 21, 2015, 12:32:29 am
Oh, yeah, you're right.
I forgot, because his weapon was not a drill arm it was a bomb.
Well, OK, the last part was just me being stupid,  but the rest of that post still applies.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: dougeff on November 21, 2015, 01:46:43 am
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Super Break-Out... were the shit.

Random fact...based on the original Breakout, a game made by Steve Wozniak aided by Steve Jobs (yes, that Steve Jobs). Super Breakout was designed by Asteroids programmer Ed Logg.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SunGodPortal on November 21, 2015, 02:22:00 am
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Random fact...based on the original Breakout, a game made by Steve Wozniak aided by Steve Jobs (yes, that Steve Jobs). Super Breakout was designed by Asteroids programmer Ed Logg.

Hmm. Interesting.

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Is it just me or does MegaMan's hand (the one with the gun) look like it's on backwards?

Actually, now that I look at it again it looks like his whole arm is backwards.

And I like how the cover says "state of the art". LOL
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: M-Tee on November 21, 2015, 04:37:43 am
Interview with the illustrator (https://vimeo.com/52385613#t=204s), Marc Erickson, in which he explains the pistol.

There's nothing wrong with that hand as far as I can tell. It appears as if y'all are not seeing the dividing line between the ball of the thumb and the fingers. High resolution image (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--BDFTFgkgcc/UcvAZSy7AaI/AAAAAAAAPuU/ImNqIUhEfh4/s1600/MegaMan2box.jpg), in which it's clearly visible.

I love Erickson's art, and as a kid, I always thought that Light was captured by Crashman, pointing out that Megaman was there to ruin their day.

Illustrator's website. (http://www.retrogameart.com/)

Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: nesrocks on November 21, 2015, 09:36:40 am
Street Fighter 2010 and M.C Kids both for the NES. People skip mc kids because they think it will be a terrible game while it's actually very good. And they stop playing street fighter 2010 because it doesn't look like street fighter but it's also a very good game. Capcom should have kept it like in japan and not associate the game with the street fighter franchise.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: chillyfeez on November 21, 2015, 09:54:40 am
Interview with the illustrator (https://vimeo.com/52385613#t=204s), Marc Erickson, in which he explains the pistol.

There's nothing wrong with that hand as far as I can tell. It appears as if y'all are not seeing the dividing line between the ball of the thumb and the fingers. High resolution image (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--BDFTFgkgcc/UcvAZSy7AaI/AAAAAAAAPuU/ImNqIUhEfh4/s1600/MegaMan2box.jpg), in which it's clearly visible.

I love Erickson's art, and as a kid, I always thought that Light was captured by Crashman, pointing out that Megaman was there to ruin their day.

Illustrator's website. (http://www.retrogameart.com/)

Based on what was said in that interview, it's probably more likely that he didn't really understand Light's role in the story.
Anyway, if what he's saying is an accurate representation of how it actually happened, then that absolves the artist but not the existence of the art.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: KingMike on November 21, 2015, 11:32:08 am
Street Fighter 2010 and M.C Kids both for the NES. People skip mc kids because they think it will be a terrible game while it's actually very good. And they stop playing street fighter 2010 because it doesn't look like street fighter but it's also a very good game. Capcom should have kept it like in japan and not associate the game with the street fighter franchise.
It sounds like Street Fighter wasn't very popular until Street Fighter II came along (a year after SF2010) anyways, so I'm not sure how much of an effect that had.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: Sliver X on November 21, 2015, 12:12:12 pm
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It sounds like Street Fighter wasn't very popular until Street Fighter II came along (a year after SF2010) anyways, so I'm not sure how much of an effect that had.

Yeah, I bought Street Fighter 2010 when it first came out and had no idea it was supposed to be a part of any existing series.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SunGodPortal on November 21, 2015, 02:50:17 pm
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Street Fighter 2010 and M.C Kids both for the NES.

I still haven't dug too far into Street Fighter 2010 (is that the one with REALLY strict time limits?) but I do remember M.C Kids. Before I was afraid to try games I wasn't sure about I bought it because I thought a McDonalds game would be good to laugh at. It turned out to be a very interesting game. I liked all of that weird gravity stuff and those things that would send you flying across the levels. Also seems like it had pretty cool music similar to Tim/Geoff Follin.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: Jorpho on November 21, 2015, 06:17:14 pm
The AVGN covered SF2010.  It seems like a truly terrible game.  (And yes, it has strict time limits.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU21wBNSVWU
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SunGodPortal on November 21, 2015, 06:32:21 pm
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The AVGN covered SF2010.  It seems like a truly terrible game.  (And yes, it has strict time limits.)

heh Yeah, that's where I found out about the time limit. I played the game once upon a time and thought "Oh. This isn't what I expected. It would probably be cool when I'm in the mood for something like this" but I never got around to it because there's dozens of NES games I'm still needing to do an extended play of. Later finding out about how tough the time limit was I decided to put it off longer and longer because I kept thinking "Okay. This one is going to be an extreme challenge so I need to go into it with the right frame of mind".

The title was def confusing because I never heard of it back in the day and only found out about and bought it at a used media store about 8 years ago.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: KingMike on November 22, 2015, 11:51:56 am
Sure I'm not the only one who can say they repeatedly struggled to finish even the first screen of the game. That mini-boss is way too tough for a first opponent. Bad difficulty balance there, Capcom. :P
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: SunGodPortal on November 22, 2015, 03:15:11 pm
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Sure I'm not the only one who can say they repeatedly struggled to finish even the first screen of the game. That mini-boss is way too tough for a first opponent. Bad difficulty balance there, Capcom. :P

Not surprising if you consider that they made Ghosts n Goblins. Reasonable difficulty didn't seem to be one of their strong suits.

EDIT: Oops. Accidentally put that quote in a spoiler.
Title: Re: Misleading Box Art/Game Titles (Good and Bad)
Post by: Caiterz on December 08, 2015, 06:50:31 pm
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/King's_Knight_Screenshot1.jpg)

King's Knight for NES.

Picked it up at goodwill or something similar one day because it was:

a.) Anime-tastic
b.) Knight-tastic

All things i like.

I checked screenshots of the game:

(http://gamefabrique.com/storage/screenshots/nes/kings-knight-02.png)

Looks cool...


Got home, put it in.

Well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7MbzoSqccI


It's a top down scrolling shooter.

Wat.

Yep, like 1942 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8WTSEwHDes )

(Only significantly less annoying)


An interesting concept.... But I'm unfortunately not a scrolling fan or a shooter fan.

Super disappointment :/