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Title: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: 356 on October 19, 2014, 09:48:08 am
Hello there people of the RomHacking Forums!
Welcome to the Wario Land 3 Hack Project Topic.
A few people, including myself, started a Hack on the game Wario Land 3.
This hack is taken very seriously, and being developed with the use of Drenn's Wario Land 3 Hacking Program.
We are currently in the try-out phases, we are just trying to get used to the editor.

Our team started out on a different forum, if you want to check it out, it's here: http://warioforums.com/index.php?threads/the-plan-to-develop-the-wario-land-3-hack-anyone-interested.442/
Throughout this post, I will be referencing to people of the team by their WarioForums Nicknames.
So, without further ado, this is the team, and any info you may want to know right now!

The Team:
Spoiler:
Drenn - Creator of The Editor, you may know him from around here.

wariolandgoldpiramid - The first person who ever started this project. He is one of our Directors, but also does Research & Analysis, Gameplay Design and Playtesting.

607 - Another Director, he is the first one to join the team, and also does Programming. If possible, he will also Compose Custom Music for the hack.

nayrran - He will do Research & Analysis, and some Playtesting. He's not really active a lot though.

JoKeR - Level Design, Gameplay Design and Playtesting. He's active quite a bit.

Exeggutor - Playtesting, I don't really know anything to say about him, as I've only seen him a few times. (Like, twice)

ShyGuyXXL - Sprite Graphics, like, some really amazing sprites. Just check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqbs_8TYCWo

356 - Level Design, Gameplay Design and Programming. ME! I simply love stage designing.

Bobo - Sprite Graphics, However, he has only posted exactly one message on the Forum over there.

So yeah, that's our team.

If you are just interested in looking at the progress so far, check out the forum I posted earlier.

So that's it, I hope you are interested, and make sure to look out for this if you are interested!

Check out some more videos and screenshots!
Spoiler:
(607) Proof of Concept
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXsGk-ZvC7w

(ShyGuyXXL/ Spriting) Wario Coin Instead of Music Coin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqbs_8TYCWo

(WarioLGP/ R&A) List of useless treasures, to be replaced:​
N4 Bank of the Wild River - Blue Chest: Rocket
S2 The Big Bridge - Green Chest: Pokemon Pikachu. I would avoid editing this one, it's already a Nintendo reference
S1 The Grasslands - Blue Chest: Fighter Mannequin
S4 The Steep Canyon - Green Chest: Telephone
W2 The Volcano's Base - Green Chest: Crown
N3 The Vast Plain - Blue Chest: Red Bracelet
N5 The Tidal Coast - Blue Chest: Green Bracelet
W2 The Volcano's Base - Red Chest: Blue Bracelet
W5 Beneath the Waves - Blue Chest: Clubs Crest
W6 The West Crater - Blue Chest: Spades Crest
E5 The Warped Void - Blue Chest: Heart Crest
E6 The East Crater - Red Chest: Diamond Crest
E6 The East Crater - Blue Chest: Earthen Figure
W6 The West Crater - Red Chest: Saber
N2 The Peaceful Village - Green Chest: Expensive Glass
E2 The Frigid Sea - Red Chest: Magic Pot
E2 The Frigid Sea - Blue Chest: UFO
S5 Cave of Flames - Red Chest: Luxury Car
E4 The Colossal Hole - Blue Chest: Locomotive

(ShyGuyXXL/ Sprites) Wario Coin Instead of Music Coin
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/wario-coin-3-png.94/)

(356/ Level Design) 1-1 in Wario Land 3 Style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T87s3L8YWfs

(WarioLGP/ Sprite Graphics) Hacking Overworld Text:
(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s388/wariolandgoldpiramid/YYCHR2_zpse284aaf7.png)
(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s388/wariolandgoldpiramid/YYCHR3_zpsc52d31d2.png)

(356/ R&A) Located a Pink Color Set
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMAqJ0pnR_U

(ShyGuyXXL/ Sprites) ShyGuyXXL's odd addiction to Graphics Editing...?
Messing Around...
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/wario-land-3-messin-png.96/)
Foreground Stuff...
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/wario-land-3-messin-png.97/)
...Rainbows?
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/wario-land-3-rainbows-png.100/)
... More... Rainbows?
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/wario-land-3-rainbows2-png.101/)

(WarioLGP/ Gameplay) Unused Flower Enemy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5ot6ZGXI-Q

(WarioLGP/ Gameplay) His 5th (request) and 6th (my favorite) Golf Block Puzzle ideas!
Golf Idea #5
Features: Fat Wario
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/wariogolfidea5-png.128/)
Golf Idea #6
Features: Block As Platform, Zombie Wario
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/wariogolfidea6-png.132/)
(ShyGuyXXL/ Sprites) You know what comes up next... Happy Bears and even more Rainbows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUFaQWDeMc

(ShyGuyXXL/ Gameplay) Puzzle Ideas
Golf Block Flat Wario Puzzle
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/boop-png.117/)
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/boop2-png.118/)
Crazy Wario Jumps
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/dizzy-jump-2-png.139/)

(Drenn/ Editor) Making the Wario Coin Work in the Menus!
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/bgb-paused-_004-png.180/)
(http://warioforums.com/index.php?attachments/bgb-paused-_005-png.181/)
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress): Searching for people
Post by: Jorpho on October 19, 2014, 12:33:02 pm
It's nice to see that you have a little bit more than just ideas, but it doesn't look like you have much more than that.

Ideas are cheap.  There is no shortage of people with ideas; there is a good number of folks who come in here saying,  "I have an idea, and I want to be the Director for a project! I just need a bunch of people to do the actual work for me!"
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress): Searching for people
Post by: 607 on October 19, 2014, 12:59:24 pm
It's nice to see that you have a little bit more than just ideas, but it doesn't look like you have much more than that.

Ideas are cheap.  There is no shortage of people with ideas; there is a good number of folks who come in here saying,  "I have an idea, and I want to be the Director for a project! I just need a bunch of people to do the actual work for me!"
True. The nice thing though, is that we do have more than ideas, namely a community. I, and wariolandgoldpiramid probably too, have wanted to make a Wario Land 3 hack for a long while, I just knew I wouldn't be capable of making it good enough, not on my own in each case.
Now we already have a community with at least five motivated people interested though, there's a much bigger chance at actual success.
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress): Searching for people
Post by: 356 on October 19, 2014, 01:05:46 pm
It's nice to see that you have a little bit more than just ideas, but it doesn't look like you have much more than that.

Ideas are cheap.  There is no shortage of people with ideas; there is a good number of folks who come in here saying,  "I have an idea, and I want to be the Director for a project! I just need a bunch of people to do the actual work for me!"
Indeed, but we have 1 thing which is very important: A team of very motivated people and fans of the Wario Universe and Character. THAT is what else we other than ideas.
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress): Searching for people
Post by: Bonesy on October 19, 2014, 01:07:13 pm
if i had a dime for every time someone said that on here i'd have a lot of dimes
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress): Searching for people
Post by: wariolandgoldpiramid on October 19, 2014, 01:10:07 pm
True. The nice thing though, is that we do have more than ideas, namely a community. I, and wariolandgoldpiramid probably too, have wanted to make a Wario Land 3 hack for a long while, I just knew I wouldn't be capable of making it good enough, not on my own in each case.
Now we already have a community with at least five motivated people interested though, there's a much bigger chance at actual success.

Yes, I have to agree here.
We have a community, and if our community grows, our chances to make this will probably work out as well.
But seriosly, every project, big or small, failed or succesful, starts out with an idea, right?
Well, had I just kept the idea to myself, obviosly, I would never be able to do anything.
But if we team up, we have a chance.
And even if this project fails, we're having fun with it, and the experience is nice
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress): Searching for people
Post by: 356 on October 19, 2014, 01:11:34 pm
Yes, I have to agree here.
We have a community, and if our community grows, our chances to make this will probably work out as well.
But seriosly, every project, big or small, failed or succesful, starts out with an idea, right?
Well, had I just kept the idea to myself, obviosly, I would never be able to do anything.
But if we team up, we have a chance.
And even if this project fails, we're having fun with it, and the experience is nice
Perfect!
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress): Searching for people
Post by: 607 on October 19, 2014, 01:12:30 pm
if i had a dime for every time someone said that on here i'd have a lot of dimes
Unfortunately that isn't the case though ;)
(Sorry if you feel we're spamming the forums, because half of the replies are from members of our team)
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: CM30 on October 19, 2014, 03:46:29 pm
As someone who actually runs Wario Forums, I can definitely assure you that this project will be finished.  We're all really dedicated Wario fans over there, and hey, it's pretty much the best shot we have of getting a new Wario game within the next five years.

When we've got a bit more experience, you'll definitely see the levels being made faster and some really interesting content in this game.
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: Jeville on October 22, 2014, 08:10:09 am
It's a shame there's no editor for the first Wario Land game; that would be more of your team's caliber than to undertake 3 at all quite honestly. If no competent hackers ("growing community") come your way, at least there's something you can do and to give it as much polish as you can.
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: Jorpho on October 22, 2014, 08:18:56 am
As someone who actually runs Wario Forums, I can definitely assure you that this project will be finished.  We're all really dedicated Wario fans over there, and hey, it's pretty much the best shot we have of getting a new Wario game within the next five years.
That is a very long list of people in that first post with skills you do not have, and your ability to finish the project appears to rely entirely on finding such people, which strikes me as unlikely – quite regardless of how many other dedicated people you think you have on board.

EDIT: Rather, that was a very long list of people. Things seem to have been edited.
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: 356 on October 22, 2014, 08:28:45 am
That is a very long list of people in that first post with skills you do not have, and your ability to finish the project appears to rely entirely on finding such people, which strikes me as unlikely – quite regardless of how many other dedicated people you think you have on board.

First of all: how do you know we don't have the skills you were talking about? What says whether or not you are good at programming, or Rom Hacking? If you do Rom Hacking, do you need to have an account on this Forum? I don't think so... I only made an account here because the people of our team wanted attention for what we were making, I am not into Forums, you see.

Second, this is a team we already did quite a bit with, such as Custom Sprites (You've seen them) and even Stages already. So please, rather than trying to make us look bad just because you are a Hero Member and we are "Newbies" on this forum, please just wait patiently, and if we fail, THEN I will give you the full right to annoy us.

I'm just trying to be reasonable, just saying.
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: Jorpho on October 22, 2014, 11:29:54 am
First of all: how do you know we don't have the skills you were talking about?
Because your first post suggested you were earnestly seeking people with said skills, and your list did not suggest any members of your "team" had such skills.  All I saw was a list of people with "ideas" who wanted to "design".  Of course, you've edited it now.  I should clearly use more quotes next time.

Your own thread title says "not yet in progress".
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: Drenn on October 22, 2014, 11:48:35 am
Honestly, I think the ball is in the court of the people with design ideas, moreso than technical skills... The stage design is pretty much what'll determine if this is successful. I'm taking care of most of the technical stuff, though it would be nice if others could help. You know that sprite hack of the coin? I had to edit the raw hex of the animation data to prevent it from using mirrored tiles, and then insert ASM to make it load the extra tiles required.

For now, wariolandgoldpiramid is working on a map of what treasures lead to what other treasures, and what powerups are required, etc... when that's done we'll start on level design, and we'll see if this goes anywhere.
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: wariolandgoldpiramid on October 22, 2014, 11:58:21 am
Because your first post suggested you were earnestly seeking people with said skills, and your list did not suggest any members of your "team" had such skills.  All I saw was a list of people with "ideas" who wanted to "design".  Of course, you've edited it now.  I should clearly use more quotes next time.

Your own thread title says "not yet in progress".

We just wanted to share what we're doing, and see if anyone is interested in joining us.
And as far as skills go, we're learning them.

Did you even see the videos and screenshots section of the first post?
If deffinetly shows Drenn's ASM skills and ShyGuy's Graphics skills

But seriosly guys, let's stop bumping this thread
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: 607 on October 22, 2014, 12:33:20 pm
Because your first post suggested you were earnestly seeking people with said skills, and your list did not suggest any members of your "team" had such skills.  All I saw was a list of people with "ideas" who wanted to "design".  Of course, you've edited it now.  I should clearly use more quotes next time.

Your own thread title says "not yet in progress".
That is a very long list of people in that first post with skills you do not have, and your ability to finish the project appears to rely entirely on finding such people, which strikes me as unlikely – quite regardless of how many other dedicated people you think you have on board.

EDIT: Rather, that was a very long list of people. Things seem to have been edited.
I admit that the OP was maybe emphasizing the "searching for people" a little too much. That's the great thing about editing though.
But really, even if we would be able to do it on our own, there was a chance there were people here that also have wanted to make a hack like this, but they hadn't been capable of doing so. If they wanted, they could join us, and together we could fulfill our dreams.
But if there's no one interested around here, alas, we're going to use what we have :)
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: Jorpho on October 22, 2014, 02:02:16 pm
If they wanted, they could join us, and together we could fulfill our dreams.
Often, getting more people involved for the sake of getting more people involved is a recipe for disaster.

I'll shut up now.
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: K3fka on November 12, 2014, 10:12:37 pm
Hey, glad to see some Wario Land 3 stuff getting somewhere. I dabbled a bit in documenting some of the ram, and I was working on trying to disassemble the game, although that never got far. I'd like to try to help you guys, but I don't know how much time I can devote to this. I can, however, give you guys the little documentation I have, as well as the documentation Drenn (level editor creator) gave me (not sure if it got a public release before this).

My (puny) ram map: http://wl3.k3fka.net/ram.php (http://wl3.k3fka.net/ram.php) Anything with a question mark is something I'm unsure about, so take those ones with a grain of salt. It's been many months since I actually did anything with this, but I'm pretty confident in my past self about the ones without question marks.

Drenn's documentation: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x72en0mmiin8gow/WL3%20Documentation.txt?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/x72en0mmiin8gow/WL3%20Documentation.txt?dl=0)
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: 607 on November 13, 2014, 09:51:57 am
Hey, glad to see some Wario Land 3 stuff getting somewhere. I dabbled a bit in documenting some of the ram, and I was working on trying to disassemble the game, although that never got far. I'd like to try to help you guys, but I don't know how much time I can devote to this. I can, however, give you guys the little documentation I have, as well as the documentation Drenn (level editor creator) gave me (not sure if it got a public release before this).

My (puny) ram map: http://wl3.k3fka.net/ram.php (http://wl3.k3fka.net/ram.php) Anything with a question mark is something I'm unsure about, so take those ones with a grain of salt. It's been many months since I actually did anything with this, but I'm pretty confident in my past self about the ones without question marks.

Drenn's documentation: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x72en0mmiin8gow/WL3%20Documentation.txt?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/x72en0mmiin8gow/WL3%20Documentation.txt?dl=0)
Okay, nice! :)
Glad to know that there are other people interested. If you would want to get more information and potentially help us, we would appreciate it if you took a look at the thread :D
There are more of us who are not able/willing to devote too much time to the project, but even just your thoughts or some help once a week would help us out greatly ;)

(For everyone who thinks we haven't done anything since the creation of this thread: Slightly true. We haven't made progress on the actual hack. We have done much more research though, and through Drenn making another great update to the editor, we've managed to edit the intro scene.)
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: NES Boy on November 13, 2014, 02:40:35 pm
Perhaps I can help with a few RAM addresses from Data Crystal (http://datacrystal.romhacking.net/wiki/Wario_Land_3:RAM_map):

AddressLengthTypeDescription
0xCA3B1LevelDay or night
0xCA3C1PlayerWario's abilities

00 = Basic abilities
01 = Can use Smash Attack
02 = Can swim
03 = Can break blocks with your head
04 = Can carry little enemies
05 = Enhanced attacks and rolling
06 = Enhanced Smash Attack
07 = Can use higher jumps
08 = Can swim against currents
09 = Can carry big enemies
0A = Have all abilities, but the Action Help screen shows how to use an owl
0B = Have all abilities, but the Action Help screen shows how to use a pulley
0C = Have all abilities, but the Action Help screen shows how to use Vampire Wario
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: K3fka on November 13, 2014, 10:47:25 pm
Cool, I've added those in. Now I'm interested in doing WL3 stuff again, so I'll probably be doing some more ram documentation.
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: CM30 on November 14, 2014, 02:46:42 pm
My advice (if you want to help out on this) would be to join the site.  Yeah I shouldn't be mentioning that, but Wario Forums definitely needs more members, and it's the best way to contribute to this.
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: PresidentLeever on November 17, 2014, 12:45:43 am
Sounds interesting but could you give a quick summary of your overall goals with the hack?
Title: Re: The Wario Land 3 Hacking Project (not yet in progress)
Post by: Drenn on November 20, 2014, 01:44:35 pm
Sounds interesting but could you give a quick summary of your overall goals with the hack?
Basically we're planning to redesign all the levels but leave the overworld layout mostly intact. Maybe we'll edit cutscenes or something but the flow of the game is complicated enough as it is. Then there are other details like changing the story, but that's the meat of it.