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Title: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on August 27, 2014, 12:19:48 pm
I am trying to change the face sprites in this game. By extension, I would like to do the same with Portrait of Ruin, which seems to be set up similarly in the NDS file system.

Crystaltile2 gives a lot of tiles, but most are gibberish, and the one that look like something from the game seem to be distorted. I don't have any experience with romhacking, but is there some straightforward way of extracting and reinserting sprites from these games?

Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on August 27, 2014, 12:42:23 pm
I am trying to change the face sprites in this game. By extension, I would like to do the same with Portrait of Ruin, which seems to be set up similarly in the NDS file system.

Crystaltile2 gives a lot of tiles, but most are gibberish, and the one that look like something from the game seem to be distorted. I don't have any experience with romhacking, but is there some straightforward way of extracting and reinserting sprites from these games?
Do you mean change the Face sprites/The ones that look anime-like?
To what art style are you going to change them?
I recommend the Gothic-style of Aria of Sorrow and Symphony of the Night as examples.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on August 27, 2014, 01:10:06 pm
Do you mean change the Face sprites/The ones that look anime-like?
To what art style are you going to change them?
I recommend the Gothic-style of Aria of Sorrow and Symphony of the Night as examples.
That is exactly my plan.

Dawn of Sorrow's Soma has been drawn by Kojima for Harmony of Despair:
(http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/files/costumes/2170/34049/Soma_HD.JPG)
Julius Belmont as well:
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100819203745/castlevania/images/b/b1/Julius_HD.png)

Alucard is easy, of course, and most of the other faces I can reuse from Aria of Sorrow. The rest I would have to construct myself.

Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: FAST6191 on August 27, 2014, 03:33:04 pm
I have not got a copy of the first DS game to hand but the second one appears to have a bunch of .dat in the sc directory, no compression seems to be there and the headers do not appear to have much (though I have not spent time looking properly at this point). Wider formats seem to be in (set the width in crystaltile2 to 128 or 256 until you know better for a given image) and a mix of GBA4bpp and GBA8bpp formats (fairly even split it would seem).
I have a bunch of portraits in f_edr05.dat, those mostly appear to be artwork rather than the in game sprites (which are actually backgrounds according to desmume, however Konami are not noted for doing things well on the GBA and DS).
f_fbrau00 and 01 have some more images, as do many other things that start with f_f
There are a few 3d models abused as 2d animations of a sort in the second game, however firing those through a texture viewer says most are minor animations or backgrounds.
I am still working on the palettes (the image below has the wrong one is the viewer)
Anyway one image
http://imgur.com/V8aEeps
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on August 27, 2014, 04:00:50 pm
That is exactly my plan.

Dawn of Sorrow's Soma has been drawn by Kojima for Harmony of Despair:
(http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/files/costumes/2170/34049/Soma_HD.JPG)
Julius Belmont as well:
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100819203745/castlevania/images/b/b1/Julius_HD.png)

Alucard is easy, of course, and most of the other faces I can reuse from Aria of Sorrow. The rest I would have to construct myself.
Sweet!
I would love to see Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin done with proper Castlevania Style and not that anime-overused ugly one.
If you get some progress on this hack, please let me know, I am really interested.

I will see if I can help you with some images for ideas.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on August 27, 2014, 05:01:28 pm
I have not got a copy of the first DS game to hand but the second one appears to have a bunch of .dat in the sc directory, no compression seems to be there and the headers do not appear to have much (though I have not spent time looking properly at this point). Wider formats seem to be in (set the width in crystaltile2 to 128 or 256 until you know better for a given image) and a mix of GBA4bpp and GBA8bpp formats (fairly even split it would seem).
I have a bunch of portraits in f_edr05.dat, those mostly appear to be artwork rather than the in game sprites (which are actually backgrounds according to desmume, however Konami are not noted for doing things well on the GBA and DS).
f_fbrau00 and 01 have some more images, as do many other things that start with f_f
There are a few 3d models abused as 2d animations of a sort in the second game, however firing those through a texture viewer says most are minor animations or backgrounds.
I am still working on the palettes (the image below has the wrong one is the viewer)
Anyway one image
http://imgur.com/V8aEeps
Thanks, that really helps. I had no clue about the width thing, I've been able to locate the portaits in Dawn of Sorrow thanks to you.

August 27, 2014, 05:05:23 pm - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Sweet!
I would love to see Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin done with proper Castlevania Style and not that anime-overused ugly one.
If you get some progress on this hack, please let me know, I am really interested.

I will see if I can help you with some images for ideas.
For PoR, these two have Harmony of Despair artwork:
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110919164626/castlevania/de/images/e/eb/Jonathan_HD.png)(http://www.castlevaniacrypt.com/games/hd/images/art/charlotte-02.jpg)
I can use that at the very least for the menu.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on August 27, 2014, 07:42:14 pm
Thanks, that really helps. I had no clue about the width thing, I've been able to locate the portaits in Dawn of Sorrow thanks to you.

August 27, 2014, 05:05:23 pm - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
For PoR, these two have Harmony of Despair artwork:
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110919164626/castlevania/de/images/e/eb/Jonathan_HD.png)(http://www.castlevaniacrypt.com/games/hd/images/art/charlotte-02.jpg)
I can use that at the very least for the menu.
Awesome!
Although I think Portrait of Ruin will be more of a pain than Dawn due to the fact that PoR doesn't have any gothic-art counterparts like Dawn with Aria of Sorrow.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on August 28, 2014, 04:42:47 am
Awesome!
Although I think Portrait of Ruin will be more of a pain than Dawn due to the fact that PoR doesn't have any gothic-art counterparts like Dawn with Aria of Sorrow.
Yeah. The faces in the menu would be easy, but I wouldn't be able to get something consistent for the dialogue faces. That would have to wait. Eric Lecarde could be closer to his appearance in Bloodlines as well, necessitating a change of his ingame sprite.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on August 28, 2014, 09:42:36 pm
Here are some good pieces of artwork for PoR:

http://www.castlevaniadungeon.net/Images/Scans/PoR/pic_01.jpg
http://www.inverteddungeon.com/jorgefuentes/images3/051-brauner-art.png
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090413031833/castlevania/images/0/01/PoR_OST_Poster_Stella.JPG
http://4nabs.com/upload/local2/Charlotte_Aulin_computer_games_video_games_Castlevania_Portrait_of_Ruin_Castlevania_m296MdJB6c.jpg

As for Dawn of Sorrow, the best bet for now would be to grab the sprites for the Aria of Sorrow faces.
Most of the characters are returning ones, so you might have a good percentage of the characters covered with that game.

If there is something else I can do to help out, let me know, I am greatly interested in this project as I highly despise anime-like art in one of my most beloved franchises. XD

I am also fearing that some of the characters sprites would have to be made from scratch.
We can do a character by character search in Google Images to see if we can find something that resembles our desired point but that's as close as we could get by evading creating new sprites from scratch.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on September 03, 2014, 02:30:52 pm
I now have my portraits for Dawn of Sorrow at the right size, and I'm able to export them. Only problem that remains is the palette, it seems.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on September 03, 2014, 02:42:01 pm
I now have my portraits for Dawn of Sorrow at the right size, and I'm able to export them. Only problem that remains is the palette, it seems.
You might have to do one of the following things:
1) Alter the portrait image colors so they fit that of the game.
2) Alter the in-game palette to match the image one.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on September 03, 2014, 03:49:58 pm
You might have to do one of the following things:
1) Alter the portrait image colors so they fit that of the game.
2) Alter the in-game palette to match the image one.
I'm in the process of doing the first now. I was a bit wary, but so far Soma's portrait is still looking decent. It's a lot of work though, I'll post a picture here when I'm done with his portrait.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on September 03, 2014, 04:36:58 pm
I'm in the process of doing the first now. I was a bit wary, but so far Soma's portrait is still looking decent. It's a lot of work though, I'll post a picture here when I'm done with his portrait.
Good, I would have choosen the first one too since it is the more feasible of the two.
Can't wait to see your result :)
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on September 03, 2014, 06:02:52 pm
Good, I would have choosen the first one too since it is the more feasible of the two.
Can't wait to see your result :)
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/tole/stuff/soma.png)
Clothes worked out, head is a bit fuzzy. Main problem was converting the illustration to pixel art, not the palette per se. Still, it's recognizable. Perhaps I could find someone to touch it up a bit.

Most other characters should have better conversions, since I'll pull those from the GBA version.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on September 03, 2014, 06:29:33 pm
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/tole/stuff/soma.png)
Clothes worked out, head is a bit fuzzy. Main problem was converting the illustration to pixel art, not the palette per se. Still, it's recognizable. Perhaps I could find someone to touch it up a bit.

Most other characters should have better conversions, since I'll pull those from the GBA version.
So the pixel art was the issue?
Are you grabbing the exact prtraits of the GBA Aria of Sorrow?
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on September 03, 2014, 06:38:00 pm
So the pixel art was the issue?
Are you grabbing the exact prtraits of the GBA Aria of Sorrow?
This one isn't grabbed from Aria of Sorrow. Soma changed his clothes in Dawn of Sorrow. I've worked from his portrait in Harmony of Despair, which has the DoS Soma in the style of Kojima. AoS Soma wears a fur coat (which I'm going to adapt into Dario's clothing).
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on September 03, 2014, 08:29:12 pm
This one isn't grabbed from Aria of Sorrow. Soma changed his clothes in Dawn of Sorrow. I've worked from his portrait in Harmony of Despair, which has the DoS Soma in the style of Kojima. AoS Soma wears a fur coat (which I'm going to adapt into Dario's clothing).
Yeah sorry, I just saw the image from which you grabbed it.
It's looking quite nice!
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on September 04, 2014, 04:40:08 am
I've pasted Arikado's AoS pixel-portrait on his artwork-portrait, so I could expand it. It looks quite great when converted to the new palette.

(http://i.imgur.com/Se0Ynlo.png)

Edit: I've finished all portraits, including the new characters. Now I just have to find a way to easily convert their ingame palette to the palette in CrystalTile. When that has happened, I can reinsert them.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on September 04, 2014, 12:00:41 pm
I've pasted Arikado's AoS pixel-portrait on his artwork-portrait, so I could expand it. It looks quite great when converted to the new palette.

(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/tole/stuff/arikado.png)

Edit: I've finished all portraits, including the new characters. Now I just have to find a way to easily convert their ingame palette to the palette in CrystalTile. When that has happened, I can reinsert them.
You're done with all the characters already?!
That was fast O.O
Did you also do the different faces for when Soma is changing or mad?
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on September 04, 2014, 01:25:57 pm
You're done with all the characters already?!
That was fast O.O
Did you also do the different faces for when Soma is changing or mad?
No different faces, that's the downside.

Oh, and I've recoloured Alucard's palette to the CrystalTile2 palette by hand, inserted it, and it works:
(http://i.imgur.com/UtdXxHW.png)
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on September 04, 2014, 08:13:31 pm
No different faces, that's the downside.

Oh, and I've recoloured Alucard's palette to the CrystalTile2 palette by hand, inserted it, and it works:
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/tole/stuff/screenshot.png)
HELL YES!
The Arikado sprite looks awesome!
Finally, Dawn of Sorrow as it should have been, with proper Castlevania artwork!

Really good work you did there.
What is the difference in the Status screen you uploaded?

You might want to think of a name for the hack.
Something like C: Sprites of Dignity XD
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on September 05, 2014, 01:38:49 am
HELL YES!
The Arikado sprite looks awesome!
Finally, Dawn of Sorrow as it should have been, with proper Castlevania artwork!

Really good work you did there.
What is the difference in the Status screen you uploaded?

You might want to think of a name for the hack.
Something like C: Sprites of Dignity XD
No changes in the status screen yet, it's simply part of the screenshot.

Arikado is perfect, the other portraits don't quite reach that quality sadly. Transparency issues have also reduced the palette by one colour in a lot of them. After I'm finished with importing everything, I'll probably redo the worst ones.

One colour here is transparent, for example:
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/tole/stuff/soma_screen.png)
I might simply paste AoS Soma's head on it, I suppose.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on September 05, 2014, 12:06:02 pm
No changes in the status screen yet, it's simply part of the screenshot.

Arikado is perfect, the other portraits don't quite reach that quality sadly. Transparency issues have also reduced the palette by one colour in a lot of them. After I'm finished with importing everything, I'll probably redo the worst ones.

One colour here is transparent, for example:
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/tole/stuff/soma_screen.png)
I might simply paste AoS Soma's head on it, I suppose.
Looks great. Although I can notice some greenish pixels in the portriat, is that due to the conversion process?

Also, we can use this for Soma's mad face/turning into Dracula:
(http://www.oocities.org/br/ariaofsorrow_cast/soma2.jpg)

Is the Aria of Sorrow Dracula, though. Let me see if I can edit it into the Dawn of Sorrow coat with no fur.

EDIT:
Ok so I edited it a little bit and this is the result:
(http://i60.tinypic.com/10rtpgm.png)

It's a quick edit I did with simplistic tools, nothing sofisticated, but since the image will be reduced in size to fit the portrait in game, then I think this is quite good for the job.
I hope this helps to complete the portraits for Dawn of Sorrow.
If there is anything else I can do to help, let me know.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: x0_000 on September 06, 2014, 12:35:47 am
Are you determined to do all the graphics yourself or do you welcome some outside help? I have a lot of experience with pixel art; For example, here's a partially cleaned up Soma after passing it through Photoshop's indexed color filter:
(http://i.imgur.com/ExfN93E.png)
If you don't mind the outside help, then I can do some more cleanup work on this.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on September 06, 2014, 05:12:19 am
Are you determined to do all the graphics yourself or do you welcome some outside help? I have a lot of experience with pixel art; For example, here's a partially cleaned up Soma after passing it through Photoshop's indexed color filter:
(http://i.imgur.com/ExfN93E.png)
If you don't mind the outside help, then I can do some more cleanup work on this.
I welcome all outside help. I really have no experience with all of this, I'm just doing this because nobody else had done it before. That is really looking good. I've been doing it by hand, mostly, and some GIMP filters that limited the amount of colours.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: x0_000 on September 22, 2014, 02:19:24 pm
Took a bit of time, but I finished cleaning up Soma! ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/XnMPvvO.png)
I won't be able to do more work for now, but I'll keep up with the thread.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: caminopreacher on October 08, 2014, 05:01:10 pm
I'm sure I speak for many Castlevania fans out there who were disappointed with the anime style art in DOS and POR. Thanks so much for doing this. ;D
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: Bregalad on October 09, 2014, 06:18:15 am
Quote
Also, we can use this for Soma's mad face/turning into Dracula:
You just made me almost make a heart attack.

Seeing it in the game also made me that effect back then.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on October 09, 2014, 07:20:29 pm
You just made me almost make a heart attack.

Seeing it in the game also made me that effect back then.
Thanks? XD
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: ShadowOne333 on June 08, 2016, 05:16:14 pm
Sorry to bump this up, but I was wondering what happened to this project?
This one really looked promising and I was really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: MathUser2929 on June 08, 2016, 06:01:59 pm
Apparently he finished it and kept it to himself.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: caminopreacher on June 27, 2016, 09:42:52 pm
That's just depressing... :banghead:
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: JohannGralog on August 07, 2016, 11:26:49 am
Apparently he finished it and kept it to himself.
No, I haven’t finished it all. I didn’t manage to find a way to speed up the palette swapping, and my studies have been sucking away a lot of my free time.

I’m not sure where you heard that I kept this to myself.
Title: Re: Changing sprites in Dawn of Sorrow
Post by: Thirteen 1355 on August 08, 2016, 07:45:29 am
No, I haven’t finished it all. I didn’t manage to find a way to speed up the palette swapping, and my studies have been sucking away a lot of my free time.

I’m not sure where you heard that I kept this to myself.

Maybe ShadowOne333 could help you. He has started his own project of changing the sprites in Dawn of Sorrow, as he thought you quit your own.
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,22445.0.html