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Title: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Lilinda on September 06, 2013, 06:05:11 pm
Well, it needed a topic to pair it with... :P

Mine is Robocop Vs. The Terminator. A game on many platforms, and each one was a unique game. I've only played the SNES and Genesis ones, and let me tell you, the Genesis one is far superior. The SNES one is, to be blunt, dogshit.

Genesis one is a fairly fast paced run 'n gun style game with a bit more platforming than a lot of them. Very well constructed, great graphics, great music, hidden levels(Some only accessible if you use the Turbocop cheat which grants you faster movement and higher jumping), and you fight a giant T-800 head as the final boss.

Oh, did i mention that you can blow off the ED-209's arm and use it as a weapon? Yeah, you can. Naturally, it's one of the best guns in the games, if not the best(I've never done any major testing).
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Gideon Zhi on September 06, 2013, 06:09:52 pm
I enjoy Fatal Labyrinth. Really fun, if fairly simplistic, roguelike.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Lilinda on September 06, 2013, 06:11:54 pm
Fuck, I forgot a game.

Mighty Morphing Power Rangers: The Movie. A surprisingly good beat 'em up played straight with no real major surprises. It just has really good execution and a weird optional boss fight where you beat the hell out of Zedd's hand.

Yeah that one i never got even when I watched Power Rangers religiously.

As with Robocop Vs Terminator, it's a different game on each system.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Next Gen Cowboy on September 06, 2013, 06:37:44 pm
Fuck, I forgot a game.

Mighty Morphing Power Rangers: The Movie. A surprisingly good beat 'em up played straight with no real major surprises. It just has really good execution and a weird optional boss fight where you beat the hell out of Zedd's hand.


It's a really awesome game. My answer is Quackshot, I still think it's one of the coolest sidescrolling shooters of all time. It's a very good looking game, and the level designs, and animations are awesome. Crusader of Centy was the Gensis' answer to A Link to the Past, and it's an awesome game.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Azkadellia on September 06, 2013, 06:38:59 pm
My suggestions.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Lilinda on September 06, 2013, 06:40:10 pm
Polterguy is a great puzzle-esce game, but the boss at the end is so WTF and obviously thrown in just to have a boss.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Pennywise on September 06, 2013, 07:14:56 pm
Eternal Champions was always one of my favorites for the Genesis. It has a bit of a cult following these days I believe, especially the sequel for the Sega CD.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Next Gen Cowboy on September 06, 2013, 08:08:09 pm
Eternal Champions was always one of my favorites for the Genesis. It has a bit of a cult following these days I believe, especially the sequel for the Sega CD.

EC was the game that came with my Genesis, and I played a lot of it over the years. The game had a nigh-unbeatable final boss, and a very cool (for the time, and in my 8 year old mind) cast of characters. I never played the sequel, but it popped up in a few gaming magazines with some of the new cast members (the pharaoh, and amazon). Even using the vampire's super cheap tornado attack I was never able to beat the final boss.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FAST6191 on September 06, 2013, 09:26:22 pm
I am not sure how obscure I have to go to actually rate as obscure. For the time being I will define it as anything that is not Sonic, Shining series, Phantasy Star, Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Ecco, Castle of Illusion, Aladdin (or basically all Disney derived games*), Toejam and Earl or Earthworm Jim and similar such games.

*I am sure most reading this thread would know anyway but Disney of the 16 bit era was not the running joke is has been since that era ended.

Crusader of the Centy/Soleil. At points it seems like a deconstruction on the whole action RPG thing (certainly things that others make fun of made their way into the game as things the game itself makes fun of -- perhaps a bit spoilery but you get to pay for the cut grass). Also as I had not quite discovered Final Fantasy 5 at this point it was main option for a game that mixed jobs.

Super Airwolf/CrossFire. For most it is a largely forgettable shmup but I really do like the three levels idea (you start at high level against air enemies, lower levels against ground troops and finally on foot, before maybe doing an exist mission against air again) and it remains one of my favourites on the megadrive/genesis.

The lotus games. Reasonable driving (though it probably would not hold up today), not bad music and procedural generation. Though I had spent some time playing elite by this point in life I still do like procedural generation.

Micro Machines. I see most of them did not appear in North America, a pity as they were nice and the extra controller ports on the gamepak were a novelty.

Ultimate Qix. Probably not obscure but one of the definitive versions of Volfied/Qix for me.

Though many probably played it elsewhere the original worms on the megadrive is second only to bomberman in terms of things that tested friendships.

A lot of the games that were not those from the list I opened with tended to appear in superior form on the amiga or DOS and the lines only get more blurred as the years drag on here so I would have to say consider seeing if that happened for your game of choice here. I am also starting to consider putting things that I imagine most already know of (James Pond and such) or doing something like "most shmups are worth a look" so I will leave it there for now.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: never-obsolete on September 06, 2013, 09:34:36 pm
General Chaos: Fun mix of action and strategy, especially with two players.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: DSwizzy145 on September 06, 2013, 10:16:56 pm
I say Sword of Vermilion, very underrated game in the Genesis library & a few of the funniest & most nostalgic feeling when playing it with some soothing music melodies inside each town or dungeon. You guys should give it a try some time! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Next Gen Cowboy on September 07, 2013, 12:16:53 am
There's a game, sidescrolling action RPG, with a Middle Eastern feel, it has a one word title, and I believe it's part of a trilogy. I can't remember the name of it. It has fairy poor graphics (I assume it's a redo of a Master System game, or built on a base of its predecessors) but it was a fairly fun game. It plays a bit like the more modern handheld Castlevanias, in terms of action-rpgs.

Also the Home Alone game for the Genesis (not the abhorrent SNES one) but the one where you ride around on your sled and booby trap the houses before the villains break in is a really awesome game. It had a very cool concept, and the weapon and trap design was very cool for an early Genesis game.

Edit: Weaponlord, one of the most underrated (sorry Spoony) fighting games of all time. The game had an extremely in depth battle system, but at a time when fighting game popularity was surging it was hurt by not being a SFII clone. The game featured fatalities, but they were implemented into gameplay (if you killed your opponent then they were not fought again during the story, and if they killed you, you were not given the option to continue).
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Malias on September 07, 2013, 12:40:12 am
There's a game, sidescrolling action RPG, with a Middle Eastern feel, it has a one word title, and I believe it's part of a trilogy. I can't remember the name of it. It has fairy poor graphics (I assume it's a redo of a Master System game, or built on a base of its predecessors) but it was a fairly fun game. It plays a bit like the more modern handheld Castlevanias, in terms of action-rpgs.

Could you be referring to Exile?

A couple of my favorites were Biohazard Battle and Tod's Adventures in Slime World.  Biohazard Battle was great because of the unique ships you could play as and the co-op multiplayer (i.e. a game I could play with my brothers without us killing each other).  Slime World was fun for the exploratory aspects as well as the different game modes and the limited pick-ups.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: KingMike on September 07, 2013, 01:13:30 am
There's a game, sidescrolling action RPG, with a Middle Eastern feel, it has a one word title, and I believe it's part of a trilogy. I can't remember the name of it. It has fairy poor graphics (I assume it's a redo of a Master System game, or built on a base of its predecessors) but it was a fairly fun game. It plays a bit like the more modern handheld Castlevanias, in terms of action-rpgs.
Exile, and I believe it originated on the MSX.
Most famous for the TurboCD versions and their altered difficulties.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Next Gen Cowboy on September 07, 2013, 03:03:49 am
Thank you gentlemen, I couldn't remember that for the life of me. I'll have to look into the TurboCD versions, and see what the differences are.

Edit: There's an extremely comprehensive article on HG101 if anyone's interested in the game, or the series.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 07, 2013, 08:02:40 am
I enjoy Fatal Labyrinth. Really fun, if fairly simplistic, roguelike.

Typically, I would prefer to say some sort of action-ish title, but I'm going to agree with this. Never got around to Dragon Crystal(Same type of game, but seems to be more outdoors than in a castle) on Sega's 8-bit platforms, anyone know how good that one is?

For the hell of it, I'll also mention:
Ristar -  Sonic style game, except instead of running fast and jumping on things, his arms stretch to grab things, and pull enemies in for him to headbutt.
Chiki Chiki Boys - Arcade port of Mega Twins, very fun. Despite the name(CCB was the Japanese arcade title), it does have a U.S. release.
Skitchin' - Road Rash on skates, with the ability to grab cars(which is what they call skitchin in the first place), a lot more manageable(buying separate pieces of gear, instead of a new motorcyle), and feels even more beat 'em up-ish.
Zoom - Cool little puzzle game.

Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: MathUser2929 on September 07, 2013, 08:21:39 am
Edit: Weaponlord, one of the most underrated (sorry Spoony) fighting games of all time. The game had an extremely in depth battle system, but at a time when fighting game popularity was surging it was hurt by not being a SFII clone. The game featured fatalities, but they were implemented into gameplay (if you killed your opponent then they were not fought again during the story, and if they killed you, you were not given the option to continue).

I think it was more about coming out late in 16-bit systems life time. EGM remarked that if the game came out 2 years earlier it would have been a hit.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: MontyMole on September 07, 2013, 09:23:12 am
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Micro Machines. I see most of them did not appear in North America, a pity as they were nice and the extra controller ports on the gamepak were a novelty.

Created by Codemasters, see also the vast amount of Dizzy games for European 8 bit computers, there's a Genesis version of it, but I've never played it.

My favourite Megadrive / Genesis game is Devil Crash pinball which is rather good, nice ball physics and good table layout.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: JCE3000GT on September 07, 2013, 01:02:41 pm
I second Eternal Champions.  VERY well done fighting game albeit very hard in single player. 

Also Tazmania for the Genesis was the best version I think. 

Garfield Csught in the Act is also very good and underrated. 

I say Sword of Vermilion, very underrated game in the Genesis library & a few of the funniest & most nostalgic feeling when playing it with some soothing music melodies inside each town or dungeon. You guys should give it a try some time! :thumbsup:

Sword of Vermillion just happeneds to be my favorite Genesis game.  :)  I cannot get enough of it. 
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Gideon Zhi on September 07, 2013, 02:04:15 pm
Typically, I would prefer to say some sort of action-ish title, but I'm going to agree with this. Never got around to Dragon Crystal(Same type of game, but seems to be more outdoors than in a castle) on Sega's 8-bit platforms, anyone know how good that one is?

Same engine, even - not just same type of game! Fatal Labyrinth is a sequel/followup. That said, Dragon Crystal suffers a bit from odd dramatic difficulty spikes in places. Fatal Labyrinth is smoother and, consequently, somewhat easier. But they're basically the same game.

I'll toss Beyond Oasis into the mix here. Loved that one as a kid. Sort of a mashup of a Zelda-ish game with a beatemup combat engine.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: PresidentLeever on September 07, 2013, 02:38:11 pm

Advanced Busterhawk Gley Lancer
Alisia Dragoon
Alien Soldier
Battle Mania Daiginjou
Bubba 'n Stix
Columns III
Devil's Crush
Elemental Master
Eliminate Down
Fire Shark
Gaiares
General Chaos
High School Soccer Kunio Kun
Honoo no Toukyuuji Dodge Danpei
King Colossus
Langrisser II
Monster World IV
Panorama Cotton
Ranger X
Rolling Thunder 3
Super Fantasy Zone
Twinkle Tale
Wiz 'n Liz
Yu Yu Hakusho: Makyou Toitsusen

MCD:
Android Assault
Keio Flying Squadron
Lords of Thunder
Mickey Mania
Misadventures of Flink, The
Popful Mail
Robo Aleste
Silpheed
Sol-Feace
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: vincent_vincent on September 07, 2013, 03:38:38 pm
LOL that game is more gorgeous than its Saturn sequel, speaking about the sequel, does it live up?
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 07, 2013, 09:13:29 pm
Alright, noted on the Dragon Crystal front.

For the record, Devil's Crash got a U.S./Europe release as Dragon's Fury. It also got a U.S./Europe only sequel called Dragon's Revenge.

Golden Axe III - While the series is well known, this one never left Japan, and kind of take it's own direction.

Cyborg Justice - Mileage may vary on this one. The controls are awkwardly complex, but if you're willing to get used to them, there's a fun, but challenging, beat 'em up in there, about ripping the parts off your opponents, and using them for yourself. Admittedly, Capcom arcade game Armored Warriors did it better, but used giant mechs.

Goofy's Hysterical History Tour - Has a grappling hook thing going on, almost like Bionic commando. Haven't played much of it, but what I have seemed pretty good.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Malias on September 08, 2013, 12:33:10 am
Goofy's Hysterical History Tour - Has a grappling hook thing going on, almost like Bionic commando. Haven't played much of it, but what I have seemed pretty good.

I had that game when I was young.  It was pretty fun.  It was one of those games that opened up more the higher the difficulty was.  I think you also had to have the highest difficulty to get the real ending.  I remember it being hard and dying a lot.

Yeah, Sword of Vermillion was good.  I'm just glad it came with a game guide.

I'd like to add Phantom 2040.  I know it was also on the snes, but I played it on the Genesis and thought it was an awesome game.  It was one of the first nonlinear action games I played and the first game I played where your actions directly affected the plot.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Lilinda on September 08, 2013, 03:10:48 am
UI hate CJ and Goofy's History Bullshit so much

I rented the former a bunch pof times and never figured out the controls, and the latter I owned and barely got through three levels of.

Fuck those games for life, lol.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: EarlJ on September 08, 2013, 03:11:51 am
Fengshen Yingjiechuan

It's an unlicensed Chinese SRPG. Like Shining Force without the little cutscenes when you attack, and like Shining Force it's relatively easy to play if you don't understand the language.

There are some spikes in difficulty, sometimes due to small maps where enemies have powerful area-of-effect magic, sometimes because hard-hitting enemies continually respawn.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Azkadellia on September 08, 2013, 04:54:11 am
Golden Axe III - While the series is well known, this one never left Japan, and kind of take it's own direction.

The US did get Golden Axe III. It was a Sega Channel exclusive.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: MathUser2929 on September 08, 2013, 08:27:56 am
From what I played of Rolo to the rescue, it was great. Also, the Jim Power prototype is pretty good. It is way better than the SNES version, mostly cause it has better music. There's also the Elf Wor/Revenge of Manchu pirate. I can't make it past the 1st stage but it is fun while it lasts. Seems to be a ZAMN clone.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: KingMike on September 08, 2013, 09:53:23 am
The US did get Golden Axe III. It was a Sega Channel exclusive.

I wonder if that's why the cart annoyingly locks out only the American region. :P
At first I thought the Game Genie codes out there weren't working, so I debugged my own code (BT7T-CR9E, 013BE4:670C).
Then I realized the GG enable switch was in the "off" position.
Thing is, my code added a disco filter to the game only seen on real hardware (US model 2) and not Regen (Kega Fusion didn't even accept the Game Genie code). I can only imagine maybe it was passing the region check, but possibly making the game think the console was PAL?
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 08, 2013, 12:57:10 pm
Well, it's hard to keep track of when you filter in something like Sega Channel. Were people able to keep anything they played? For that matter, how were it's exclusives, and Satellaview altogether, dumped?

Not my area, but I imagine there are a lot of shoot 'em ups that could be mentioned here, if they haven't already been.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: KingMike on September 08, 2013, 01:07:25 pm
From what I heard, it was only downloaded to RAM in the modem cart, so it was gone as soon as the power was turned off.

And since nobody came up with a way to dump that, nope, those ROMs are gone.
Though supposedly there are dumps of the Nintendo Channel NDS data (similar idea, the Nintendo Channel on Wii could have used Wi-Fi to transfer game programs (game demos) to an original DS/Lite that are only present while the console is on. Those demos were of course only available for a limited time. And Nintendo doesn't do that anymore know that they have the eShop, where they can allow user to download limited-boot (typically 30 times, it seems) demos.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: MisterJones on September 08, 2013, 05:04:22 pm
Back to the topic at hand, while not necesarily obscure, I really liked The Adventurs of Batman and Robinb, specifically because of the fast pace and Jespers Kyd soundtrack
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: RomanWarrior on September 08, 2013, 05:17:42 pm
shadowrun
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: MisterJones on September 08, 2013, 05:33:38 pm
Ah, agreed on that, shadowrun is a consolized wrpgs and works rather well
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 09, 2013, 11:21:32 am
I'm just glad these threads aren't starting that stupid argument between the consoles yet again.

16 Ton was a cool platformer. You had to kill all the enemies by dropping a 16 ton weight on them. Kind of like Bubble Bobble in a way, but not on single screen, and I believe there was blood when something got crushed.

Dahna: Megami Tanjou - Halfway between Golden Axe and a platformer. I guess in that regard it would make it closer to classic Castlevania or Legendary Axe.

Ultimate Qix - Qix with the ability to fight back. I think it appears on the PC Enigne as Volfied.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Lilinda on September 09, 2013, 01:51:34 pm
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/388449021/general-chaos-ii-sons-of-chaos since someone said they liked General CHaos...
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: PresidentLeever on September 09, 2013, 10:51:08 pm
Speaking of Bubble Bobble, Wani Wani World is a decent JP only game in the same vein which is also 2-player. Kinda slow paced though, at least initially.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Jorpho on September 10, 2013, 01:52:38 am
Ultimate Qix - Qix with the ability to fight back. I think it appears on the PC Enigne as Volfied.
Volfied has many ports; it was actually an arcade game first.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: sashadarko on September 10, 2013, 10:17:43 am
Dyna Brothers 2.

Most people never heard about it since it's a rare Japanese exclusive, but it's an amazing and very unique strategy game. Very cute as well. Still don't know any similar games.

Phantom 2040, Dinosaurs for Hire, Scooby Doo, Shadowrun are also my favourites and it's not a full list.
There's A LOT of super hit obscure games which most people didn't play.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 15, 2013, 10:11:41 am
Seeing a mention of Elemental Master, Similar top down view run 'n guns would be Arcus Odyssey(which has some RPG elements as I understand it), and well, the other 2 I can think of are translations:
http://www.romhacking.net/translations/1103/ and  http://www.romhacking.net/translations/1223/

I think I'm going to spend some more time with Genesis games. Feels like it's library is way too underrated/unknown for some reason.

Edit: Actually, Arcus Odyssey is more of a top down isometric adventure, with mid range attacks, but still something of an arcade styled game.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FAST6191 on September 15, 2013, 11:00:48 am
I think I'm going to spend some more time with Genesis games. Feels like it's a library that is way too underrated/unknown for some reason.

I am curious now as to what the split is between the North American and European split is for this sentiment (and maybe further afield -- I am told Brazil has a fair megadrive following to this day). Everything I have since heard says that the Megadrive/genesis was at best the also ran of the 16 bit era if you are speaking to someone from North America. In Europe it was level pegging or possibly even beat out the SNES in places, certainly there was no "you picked the wrong console" type thing going on like there might have been in the PS1/N64 era (doubly so if you picked a Saturn.
Not sure about Japan or Australia, or at least enough to make a proper generalisation, but it did not seem to do too badly in Japan either.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: KaioShin on September 15, 2013, 11:21:25 am
In Europe it was level pegging or possibly even beat out the SNES in places

Who told you that? The Megadrive didn't have half the market presence and shelf space of the SNES. Pretty much every single child I knew growing up had a SNES, one had a Mega Drive (additionally to the SNES). Yes, I know anectodes aren't evidence, but I've never heard anything contrary to that either. And it got worse after the 16 bit era, I didn't even know there was a console called "Saturn" until I heard about it a decade after it was released through emulation.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 15, 2013, 01:15:23 pm
I had a Genesis over the SNES, and I really don't regret it. As I said earlier though, I don't want to continue that argument. I just want to understand the Genesis' games better, or rather what it has for games. Admittedly partly because I've seen the continuation of that argument...

Well, I just checked out "Blades of Vengeance." Seems pretty cool. Closest game I could probably compare it with might be Apogee's Realms of Chaos, or Legendary Axe on the TG16/PCE. You have your choice of characters between a female sword wielder, male axe wielder and old man wizard, who I think is the best choice, and I usually go for the hard hitting characters. He doesn't have the attack power, but he makes up for it in range(plus there's a power-up that can fix that). Only thing is it's hard(3 lives is all you get for the entire game), and bosses seem to take massive damage. Though you do have sub-items to try to help even the playing field(accessed with A, after pressing start and picking the sub-item with up/down).
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: DSwizzy145 on September 15, 2013, 01:33:49 pm
Gain Ground on the Sega Genesis is very very underrated top down shooter with loads of fun, great challenge & lasting replay value!
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Starscream on September 15, 2013, 02:07:53 pm
I am curious now as to what the split is between the North American and European split is for this sentiment (and maybe further afield -- I am told Brazil has a fair megadrive following to this day). Everything I have since heard says that the Megadrive/genesis was at best the also ran of the 16 bit era if you are speaking to someone from North America. In Europe it was level pegging or possibly even beat out the SNES in places, certainly there was no "you picked the wrong console" type thing going on like there might have been in the PS1/N64 era (doubly so if you picked a Saturn.
Not sure about Japan or Australia, or at least enough to make a proper generalisation, but it did not seem to do too badly in Japan either.

Some rough sales figures for up to 1994 to provide some perspective:
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Pricey/SEGAtastic/mdsalesuntilendof1994sc.jpg

The numbers speak for themselves I think.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FAST6191 on September 15, 2013, 02:14:58 pm
In light of that link I might have to amend my statement from Europe to the UK, also I did not realise it was like that in Japan. Must be kind of like the 360 is in Japan today then (quite a few games, many exclusives too and I am not sure why, unless it was just similarity to arcades).

I will also have to figure out where the Amiga sits in all this.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Next Gen Cowboy on September 15, 2013, 09:59:29 pm
South America seems to be where the Genesis was most prominent (in terms of being the system of choice), owing to the fact that the Master System was popular. I assume it's a similar situation in Western/Mid-Eastern Europe, as the Master System was also popular there, although both of those are in relative terms compared to the numbers in the U.S.

As for the Amiga, I'd check Europe numbers, particularly England, and Eastern Europe.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 16, 2013, 10:20:49 am
Interesting that you brought up the Amiga, I get a PC vibe from some Genesis games, and I know some were ported from the Amiga.

A few I went through last night:

As PresidentLeever brought up in the first post on the 2nd page: Alisia Dragoon:
It's interesting, even though this was by Game Arts, you could almost see the wheels turning for Panzer Dragoon. The main character shoots lightning from her hands that hits everything near the first target that it hits. It also only gives you one chance for the entire game... You can switch between dragons, and whatever else some of them are, that assist you, with A, but I think I found the last one to be the best of the 4.

Jewel Master:
Good concept, but probably could have been executed better. In fact it probably was in, I forget if it's Circle of the Moon or Harmony of Dissonance, the one where you mix and match cards for different effects. The rings even seem to be random drops from enemies(though I only came across one in my playthrough, not that I got terribly far), and this is more an arcade style game. Would be interesting to see what the rings all are, and how they can match up with each other(only 2 per hand).

Crue Ball:
Well, is it even possible to screw up pinball? Of course if you like chip tunes and Motley Crue's music, I guess that would be an extra bonus for you, but as a pinball game it's also very involved. It becomes more of a stage based game, in which you have to find the exit for the pinball table, which takes quite a bit, and you have to do it all with one ball(the game gives you 4). The downside is how it plays with the usual emulation control conventions, since Left and C move the flippers.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: MontyMole on September 16, 2013, 11:02:43 am
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As for the Amiga, I'd check Europe numbers, particularly England, and Eastern Europe.
I would add Germany and most of the Scandinavian countries too as well as the UK.  As far as the UK was concerned there was a long tail off from
Commodores bankrupcy in 1994 till about 96 that can be charted with the rise of the PC.  Put it this way they still had an Amiga mag on sale in newsagents until 2000 when Amiga Format closed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Format) so it gets a lot of love here. 

Megadrive and SNES was neck and neck, it wasn't untill the PS1 / Saturn era that both declined.

Sensible world of Soccer

An excellent Amiga game that had both a decent Megadrive port as well, and still holds up well today. 
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: PresidentLeever on September 16, 2013, 11:51:05 am
As PresidentLeever brought up in the first post on the 2nd page: Alisia Dragoon:
It's interesting, even though this was by Game Arts, you could almost see the wheels turning for Panzer Dragoon. The main character shoots lightning from her hands that hits everything near the first target that it hits. It also only gives you one chance for the entire game... You can switch between dragons, and whatever else some of them are, that assist you, with A, but I think I found the last one to be the best of the 4.


Good choice. If you liked this, there's also Mystic Defender for MD which has a similar pacing to it with its charge up weapons, as well as a spiritual sequel of sorts in the even more obscure Shinrei Jusatsushi Tarōmaru for the Saturn.

The dragons are good vs. different bosses, kinda like in Mega Man but not as extreme.

Edit: One of the reasons why MD gives off PC (DOS) vibes is because the FM chip in it is similar to Adlib sound cards.

Streets of Rage intro theme in Adlib:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF7UrnkOEvM
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FAST6191 on September 16, 2013, 05:10:24 pm
Somewhat off topic but if we are talking about sound cards I really should link http://macgateway.com/featured-articles/sound-card-history/

On the amiga though I was approaching it from something like http://retro-sanctuary.com/Comparisons%20Main.html (even if most of my main "it was better there" stuff is because it had a mouse, a joystick and a keyboard which really did help a lot of things) though I suppose I would also have to add the PCE/TG16 into that (by far the superior version of bomberman at the time for me and probably to this day in some ways).

As for sensible soccer.... I think it holds the title of "only football game I can tolerate".

As I probably should mention another Megadrive game consider giving the megadrive version of Street Racer a go. Most people usually go right for the SNES version but I reckon the megadrive one has some merit.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: PresidentLeever on September 16, 2013, 07:30:15 pm
Great article there! Gabriel Knight sounds delicious in either version. Didn't know about Descent II Adlib, pretty cool.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: KingMike on September 16, 2013, 08:22:05 pm
It also only gives you one chance for the entire game...
I recall there are extra lives, but they're hidden.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 19, 2013, 09:01:02 am
Good choice. If you liked this, there's also Mystic Defender for MD which has a similar pacing to it with its charge up weapons, as well as a spiritual sequel of sorts in the even more obscure Shinrei Jusatsushi Tarōmaru for the Saturn.

Gave it a shot last night. Not bad. I believe it's predecessor was Spellcaster for the Sega Master System (which probably needs even more exploring than the Genesis).

I recall there are extra lives, but they're hidden.

Good to know. The only thing is; and I really hate to say this, considering these are the only games I play anymore; I'm not sure if I have the persistence to stick with a game, and inch forward a little at a time until I beat it, like I did when I was younger.

Here's one no one seems to notice:
King's Bounty: This literally is a PC game on the Genesis, and this release predates the very similar Heroes of Might and Magic by 4 years.

It's hard to nail what exactly the genre of this is too. It's sandbox-ish, the goal being to take out criminals holed up in castles all around the land, in whatever order you might find them, but it never really feels like an RPG, which some might classify it as. There's a strategy element to the battles, which are encountered as you see a representation of the enemies on the map. The main thing is the unit types you can recruit. They're all over the place(with tons of different types), and cost money to recruit, but you get money every day, or as you beat enemies anyway. You can only recruit 5 types at a time, since the battles are 5 on 5(if both sides even have 5). You have a specific number of "days" to finish the game. The downside is that if you want to stop playing, and resume later, it gives you a long password. Still it's very fun/engaging for what it is, and strategy usually isn't my kind of thing.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: VoltageControl on September 21, 2013, 02:36:04 am
Mazin Saga

Troubleshooter

Monster World IV

Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 21, 2013, 03:20:20 pm
Well, if you like Trouble Shooter: http://www.romhacking.net/translations/1075/ Not that I know either well.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: noneother on September 22, 2013, 07:23:41 pm
The Genesis port of Capcom's fighter/wrestling game hybrid, Saturday Night Slam Masters, is the only version enjoyable in 1-player mode because its AI isn't completely omniscient.

I am also one of the very few people who like Super Hydlide, which is really a port of Hydlide 3. I had the game for years and thought I would never, ever be able to play such (apparent) dreck; those tiny 8-bit-style sprites and weird colors, the rough movement, all those punitive PC RPG-style features (you have to keep food or you eventually starve, you have to sleep or you become too tired to fight and eventually die, you have to take maximum weight into account or you'll become unable to move around, etc.)
 One day I just decided to give it a serious chance and those restrictions ended up making the game more involving. It has a sense of sincerity and wonder as you explore and discover new lands and areas that you don't find in too many games. Also, the theme song is one the great underrated theme songs in video game history.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: PresidentLeever on September 23, 2013, 08:55:51 am
Couldn't get into Super Hydlide, but I do love the soundtrack.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Panzer88 on September 23, 2013, 10:48:37 pm
Seconded Suggestions:

My answer is Quackshot, I still think it's one of the coolest sidescrolling shooters of all time.

Crusader of Centy was the Gensis' answer to A Link to the Past, and it's an awesome game.

Alisia Dragoon
Alien Soldier
Fire Shark
Langrisser II
Twinkle Tale
Monster World IV
Panorama Cotton
Ranger X

MCD:
Robo Aleste
Popful Mail

The Adventurs of Batman and Robin, specifically because of the fast pace and Jespers Kyd soundtrack

Original Suggestions:

Rocket Knight Adventures
Sparkster
Musha Aleste
Kid Chameleon
Herzog Zwei
Comix Zone
Story of Thor
Thunder Force II
Thunder Force III
Thunder Force IV
Landstalker
Bare Knuckle I
Bare Knuckle II
Bare Knuckle III
I Love Mickey Mouse: Castle of Illusion
The Super Shinobi
The Super Shinobi 2
Pier Solar
Rockman MegaWorld
Vampire Killer
Disney's Aladdin
Earthworm Jim
Earthworm Jim 2
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Malias on September 24, 2013, 02:00:46 am
I'm not sure how obscure any Treasure games is, but I really enjoyed Light Crusader.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 24, 2013, 08:40:12 am
If any of Treasure's were, Light Crusader would most likely be it. Aside from Alien Soldier for those of us in the U.S. region.

Actually, I do wonder how their games did in general. I know Dynamite Headdy got some good magazine coverage and stuff, but I don't know how well their games usually got noticed back then, as opposed to looking at them in hindsight now.
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Post by: SargeSmash on September 24, 2013, 01:57:09 pm
Remember, even Gunstar Heroes didn't sell all that well.  It's not obscure anymore, but it was back in the day, I suppose.  Light Crusader definitely counts.  I actually played through the entirety of Treasure's Genesis catalog for some articles not too long ago.  McDonald's Treasure Land is pretty obscure, but it's not as good as its spiritual successor, Dynamite Headdy (seriously, I think they may be using the same engine), and by the same token, Yu Yu Hakusho is interesting as basically a proto-Guardian Heroes.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Spooniest on September 25, 2013, 02:25:02 pm
Arrow Flash. :) Killer soundtrack.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 29, 2013, 11:02:33 am
I don't know if there really are 200 here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxizz-HfxJs

The quality wasn't all that great when I watched it, some may be SCD or 32X(or they could all be Genesis, I don't know), or unlicensed (as a Pikachu platformer later on proves this video contains some), but I'm curious about some of these.

Anyone know what the games at roughly 3:30(Platformer evidently about rescuing construction workers), 5:06(May just be a regular racing game, but looks similar to Mario Kart), 5:20(Very Zombies Ate my Neighbors style game with a chinese look to it, but possibly better than ZAMN came out for the Genesis), and 10:17(action platformer) are? I'd wager 1-3 of them may be unlicensed.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FAST6191 on September 29, 2013, 12:49:22 pm
3.30 Sink or Swim if you are on the PC but it was "S.S. Lucifer: Man Overboard!" on the megadrive apparently. Will have to have a look at that one.
5.06 Quad Challenge/Megatrax perhaps.

10.17 = Mulan and yeah a bootleg/unlicensed.
http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Mulan

I am very curious to find out what the other one is though.

Despite the megadrive/genesis being the thing that I had, that saw me get into this emulation/hacking thing (got to love genecyst) and being something I frequently go back to there seems to be a lot more I need to have a look at.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: KingMike on September 29, 2013, 02:34:42 pm
I don't know what it is but the ZAMN clone probably is a bootleg game as well.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 29, 2013, 02:57:33 pm
^edit: Figured it out, Chinese bootleg, Super Magican.

Thanks for the other info, FAST6191. The Genesis has a lot that went overlooked, I just checked a few out now.

Flicky:
The blue bird you might have seen in Sonic. This is just oldschool arcade gameplay. You take Flicky, grab hold of yellow birds, and try to get them to the exit, while avoiding tigers. The tigers can also be fought off if you grab hold of an object, of which throwing takes priority over flying. The more birds you get to the exit at once, the more points you get. It's a single screen platformer, but the screen scrolls into itself, which gives the illusion of depth, which is a pretty cool effect.

Tinhead:
I saw it mentioned in the comments section of another Youtube video, so I thought I'd check it out. By Microprose of Europe(but still saw a U.S. release). This one's a platformer. A selects the angle of your projectile, B jumps, and C shoots the projectile. He has a battery count for life, which can be brought up to 5. The weapon also has a count that can go up to 5, I'm not sure how it affects anything, if it increases range, or attack power, or what. The battery thing is like Sonic with rings, in that as long as you have 1 power, you can take an extra hit, at full power 6 before you die, so he can get pretty durable. Passwords to resume your progress. The objective is to reach the portal at the end of the stage.

Onslaught:
It's really hard to peg this. An action game anyway, I just need a better understanding of the objectives. It almost feels like a single player capture the flag. You start off with a mace, and as you collect shields and scrolls, which happens frequently, your attacks change. You get projectiles or spells. Enemies keep coming at you, and it seems like, if you find their flag, and take it back halfway toward where you started, you move on. There are also these weird shoot 'em up sections where you're a hand that can move along the edge of the screen, but I haven't beaten one. Doesn't seem to matter if you do or not, or it makes you retry the stage before until you do, either way it's not a game over. It's pretty fun from what I can get out of it, but it needs to be understood better.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Lilinda on September 29, 2013, 03:27:24 pm
Never liked Flicky. First played it in 2001, hated it since.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on September 29, 2013, 03:34:17 pm
I like it, but then I also like games of the 70's/early 80's as well.

Having tryed out the non-bootlegs mentioned before:

Quad Challenge - I wasn't impressed by it, but it didn't seem terrible either.

S.S. Lucifer: Man Overboard! - This, on the other hand, I liked a lot. It's like an early inspiration for Exit. For the record it's actually on the SNES, as Sink or Swim, as well.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: goldenband on September 29, 2013, 08:21:37 pm
Onslaught:
It's really hard to peg this. An action game anyway, I just need a better understanding of the objectives. It almost feels like a single player capture the flag. [...] It's pretty fun from what I can get out of it, but it needs to be understood better.

Don't get your hopes up. (http://www.sega-16.com/2012/12/onslaught/) There's nothing to Onslaught, in the most literal sense; it's sort of pretty and appealing at first, but what you see in those first 15 minutes of play is basically the whole thing. It's a horribly shallow, repetitive game.

Most of the games that came to mind have already been mentioned, like Jewel Master, Super Hydlide, Chiki Chiki Boys, Light Crusader, King's Bounty, and especially Gain Ground which is in my top 5 games on the system. BTW the item drops in Jewel Master are definitely not random, they happen at specific points in the stage and are crucial to making progress.

OTOH I never understood what people saw in Sword of Vermilion or Exile. Sword of Vermilion has a pretty good soundtrack but empty, repetitive, buggy gameplay IMHO, and I hated Exile which seemed like a total fakejob to me. I leveled my character up to max in that game by taping down the turbo button and having him kill an endless stream of autospawning bats...while I watched tennis instead.  ;D

Goofy's Hysterical History Tour is a shame, the basic concept is excellent but the gameplay dynamics and stage design are very flawed. There are some strange decisions, like making Hard shorter than Normal mode for some reason. Absolute was such a weird publisher, with lots of good ideas but very shaky execution.

Speaking of publishers: despite my distaste for Exile, almost everything Renovation put out is worthwhile, and many of their games are excellent. In addition to the aforementioned Gain Ground, there's Granada, Sol-Deace/Sol-Feace, El Viento, Arrow Flash, and a bunch of others.

A few more recommendations: Trampoline Terror, Wardner, and -- for the very patient gamer -- Warrior of Rome II, a RTS game with some interesting twists.  Beware the first Warrior of Rome game, however, which is wretched.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Spooniest on September 29, 2013, 08:41:54 pm
Speaking of publishers: despite my distaste for Exile, almost everything Renovation put out is worthwhile, and many of their games are excellent. In addition to the aforementioned Gain Ground, there's Granada, Sol-Deace/Sol-Feace, El Viento, Arrow Flash, and a bunch of others.

I loved Renovation's games as well, particularly Valis. I'm not ashamed at all to say that that game made me cry like a baby (poor Reiko  :'(). I'm aware that there was a certain element of cheesecake to it, but when I played it, I was playing for the story, which is quite cool.

If I ever get my hands on the person who made the decision to sell the license for Valis to the people it went to, I'll swear off pacifism for the occasion. I like looking at the female form just as much as the next man, but that stuff is just abominable in my book.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: KingMike on September 29, 2013, 08:58:25 pm
Goofy's Hysterical History Tour is a shame, the basic concept is excellent but the gameplay dynamics and stage design are very flawed. There are some strange decisions, like making Hard shorter than Normal mode for some reason. Absolute was such a weird publisher, with lots of good ideas but very shaky execution.

Goofy is said to have been the game that killed them, because apparently there was an error somewhere and they had way too many copies printed. Thus they couldn't afford to release the infamous Penn & Teller's Smoke & Mirrors.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Spooniest on September 29, 2013, 10:30:55 pm
Goofy is said to have been the game that killed them, because apparently there was an error somewhere and they had way too many copies printed. Thus they couldn't afford to release the infamous Penn & Teller's Smoke & Mirrors.

Excuses excuses.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: DSwizzy145 on October 01, 2013, 08:30:57 am
Vails kinda reminds me a mixture of the old castlevania & Megaman in style of gameplay :laugh: did anyone had that sorta feeling when playing her series?
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: tryphon on October 09, 2013, 12:57:38 pm
Rolling Thunder 2
Mystic Defender is not well known, and still, excellent.

A particular case : Phantasy Star III. The game can't be said obscure, but it's considered a bad game, and it didn't have much success.

And indeed, it's flawed in almost any aspect. Though, something happens with this game...
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: KingMike on October 09, 2013, 03:01:02 pm
Vails kinda reminds me a mixture of the old castlevania & Megaman in style of gameplay :laugh: did anyone had that sorta feeling when playing her series?

The one thing I remember is the cutscenes. You have to press Start to continue a conversation and hold Start to skip a cutscene.
The three other buttons on the controller weren't good enough? :P
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: DSwizzy145 on October 09, 2013, 03:54:03 pm
The one thing I remember is the cutscenes. You have to press Start to continue a conversation and hold Start to skip a cutscene.
The three other buttons on the controller weren't good enough? :P
You really had to sit there & watch the cutscenes if you didn't know about the "hold start to skip scenes" method? lol not exactly what i mean't but cool to hear your stories about it :D

Btw have you played or heard of this for the Sega Mega Drive called "Ninja Burai Densetsu" aka (The Last Ninja)? here's a gameplay video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TKTwG1UumE
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: tryphon on October 09, 2013, 04:45:14 pm
Was it ever translated ? Seems interesting...
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on October 09, 2013, 05:08:28 pm
Nope.

My question would be how many strategy games does this console have?

Makes up for the lack of RPG's, well that combined with the sandbox types. Actually, how well known are western style RPG's of the 3rd and 4th generations in general?
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Next Gen Cowboy on October 09, 2013, 05:15:09 pm
Depends on how you define WRPG. As in the third-person isometric/overhead style with an open world? Or first-person dungeon crawler style? Because Ultima covers one, and dungeon crawlers (wizardry, might and magic) kind of cover the other. There also was a The Last Ninja for the commodore 64 whether they're related I have no clue.

In terms of popularity, they're not as popular as they are today, but they got a lot of sequels, and were played by a great many people. I imagine they had the same kind of appeal as Eastern RPGs do today.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Spooniest on October 09, 2013, 05:35:52 pm
There was a game...I don't remember the title. It was a left-to-right scrolling shooter with a winged humanoid as the main, and it featured a weapon that looked like it shot teardrops in multiple directions?

Left-to-right scroller, angel being, power-up drops from enemies...on the Sega Genesis...? I don't remember what it's called.

The music was nice.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: KingMike on October 09, 2013, 06:02:04 pm
Horizontal winged human shooter...
Wings of Wor/Gynoug?
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Spooniest on October 12, 2013, 01:06:22 pm
Hai. :3
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on October 25, 2013, 10:41:14 am
Edit: Meh, formerly some console wars junk that doesn't really matter in the longrun anyway.

As for the topic:
I gotta reiterate on Skitchin'. Just a lot of fun, if you can get into it(that's the key part of all of gaming, really).

I've tried all sorts of games in the meantime, but 5 pages in, and I don't feel like looking to see if someone else has already listed something I could mention.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Gideon Zhi on November 02, 2013, 04:52:19 am
This was mentioned once, very briefly, so I thought I'd bring it up again.

I just discovered Scooby Doo Mystery, and holy crap it's actually really cool! It's a point-and-click, feels very SCUMMy. LOOKS very SCUMMy, even! The writing is decent and the puzzles are decently difficult but not too too hard. It seems to be fairly short but it has two entirely different scenarios. I'm moderately impressed by this.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on November 02, 2013, 08:32:47 am
It really was the best use of that license, and I'm not a fan of the genre. As such, I could never vouch for the quality of that one. I think a Lupin game would also probably work really well as a graphic adventure, maybe with heist planning involved somehow as well..

Edit: Come to think of it, I think the Beavis and Butthead game was kind of a graphic adventure too.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: gamingcat02261991 on May 19, 2021, 05:17:33 am
Tom and Jerry: Frantic Antics, which seems to be a sort of adaptation or continuation of the infamous Tom and Jerry film (which was one of the only pieces of T&J material where the titular duo actually spoke instead of making grunts, screams, and laughs).
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Chronosplit on May 30, 2021, 10:44:10 am
Wani Wani World.  It's a sort of port of Berlin Wall that was only in Japan made by Kaneko, a single-screen platformer.  It's colorful to the point of looking like some homebrews do these days, and it's just a shame that we didn't get this localized for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: spotanjo3 on May 30, 2021, 10:52:33 am
Castlevania Bloodlines

Mega Man The Wily Wars

Sparkster: Rocket Knight Adventures 2
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: cccmar on May 30, 2021, 10:57:50 am
Lord Monarch (JP-only) - a real-time strategy game, probably the best version out of the bunch; adds a really fun campaign which is the highlight here, as the other versions don't have it. Very unique gameplay, too, since you don't control your units directly (except for the leader), just give general orders. Kinda similar to Dyna Brothers 1 and 2 (also JP-only) where you have to lead your units - dinosaurs - to aliens, and kill them to clear the map (or fulfill other requirements).

Star Cruiser (again, JP-only) - a blend of an FPS, adventure game and flight simulator, all in one package. It is sorta slow and clunky, but the fact that a polygon 3D game like that exists on the Genesis/is playable is nothing short of incredible. Amazing OST, too. This is a port of an earlier PC88 game; there are many changes, such as new characters, plot elements etc.

McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure (by Treasure) - fun little platformer, starring Ronald McDonald. Nice colours/playability, not sure whether this one's particularly well-known.

There are definitely way more than that, I might add some later. :)
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on June 14, 2021, 09:58:25 am
8 years... Can't believe what I said at one point about not having patience for challenging action games. Spent the better part of these 8 years doing just that, specifically on this console.

I've come to realize a lot too. First, the internet is effectively 1% of any given group. The gamers that look back, that spend time on the internet, are more likely to be the ones that enjoy narratives in their gaming. The ones that enjoyed sports or arcade-like action are more likely to just move forward with their hobby without looking back. So that's why most of the "retro"(the actual meaning of the word is something new fashioned in the style of something old, it wasn't meant to be an alternative to terms like classic, vintage, or even oldschool) side of the internet looks to favor Nintendo/Sony. The Genesis may have actually outsold the SNES in North America. Whatever the truth of the units sales are on the whole, it was a close race, that needed DKC to push the SNES as far as it got. The point I'm trying to make is that the Genesis was just as popular here as it was in Europe, but the conversations on the internet will be dominated by RPG fans, and which console was better known for that?

2nd: The Genesis library is always going to be obscure, because, as the consoles name suggests, it was a fresh start for the company. Think about the NES. How many people had the same exact game library? Very few right? However as it's library got more and more well known toward the end, people knew what IPs they wanted on the sequel console, thus everyone wanted the Castlevanias, Mega Mans, Marios, Zeldas, etc. The Genesis didn't followup a successful console, so we're back to square one, like the NES. This person has games A, B, and C, and that person has games X, Y, and Z. Even most 3rd parties didn't franchise their IP's from the Genesis, let alone what Sega didn't followup on with the Saturn, whereas Nintendo and their 3rd parties kept the same IP's going for generations, starting with following up on what they started with on the NES.


Now, for one hell of an obscure Genesis game, which did get a Sega Ages port to the Switch, I offer Herzog Zwei. One of the secretly most important games of all time. Japan tried to get this genre off the ground multiple times, but often the PC's they tried with weren't powerful enough, and the games came across as turn based. When Technosoft chose the Genesis to put this game on, and a producer at Sega chose for this to be one of the games that got localized, the Real Time Strategy genre as we know it would be born from there. This game inspired the creation of Dune II and Command and Conquer. The former got a port, the latter had a cancelled port(I believe a beta rom exists), and it comes full circle that the origins of this genre are effectively on the Genesis.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: cccmar on June 14, 2021, 11:13:16 am
The Genesis may have actually outsold the SNES in North America. Whatever the truth of the units sales are on the whole, it was a close race, that needed DKC to push the SNES as far as it got. The point I'm trying to make is that the Genesis was just as popular here as it was in Europe, but the conversations on the internet will be dominated by RPG fans, and which console was better known for that?

Yeah, it almost certainly was a very close race in the West. I guess here in Europe Scandinavian countries and Germany favoured SNES, but most of other European countries did not. I personally have fond memories of both Master System and MD, but Sony was by far the biggest fish in town starting from PS1 era. Even so, Mega Drive had a fairly simple pick-up-and-play library of games, so it's only natural that it was popular, especially if you liked action titles.

2nd: The Genesis library is always going to be obscure, because, as the consoles name suggests, it was a fresh start for the company. Think about the NES. How many people had the same exact game library? Very few right? However as it's library got more and more well known toward the end, people knew what IPs they wanted on the sequel console, thus everyone wanted the Castlevanias, Mega Mans, Marios, Zeldas, etc. The Genesis didn't followup a successful console, so we're back to square one, like the NES. This person has games A, B, and C, and that person has games X, Y, and Z. Even most 3rd parties didn't franchise their IP's from the Genesis, let alone what Sega didn't followup on with the Saturn, whereas Nintendo and their 3rd parties kept the same IP's going for generations, starting with following up on what they started with on the NES.

That's the thing, here in Europe it was followed by a fairly successful console; SMS was pretty popular where I lived, so many people bought the Mega Drive and later on its successors. The thing is that Sony just blew everyone out of the water with PS1, so maybe that's why we don't hear about Sega's consoles as much nowadays... but they're still fondly remember in Europe, even though we mostly have a PC-gaming tradition, I would say. Also, until Saturn - not that many JP exclusives of note, so if you're a collector you can perhaps play way more games than on SNES right off the bat. The quality, of course, is another matter, but there was a lot of that on the console as well.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: PresidentLeever on June 14, 2021, 12:53:53 pm
It's true to an extent here in Europe as well but they did follow up Alex kidd and Wonder Boy, as well as Shinobi which had a more console-ized port on SMS. For some reason Alex Kidd ended up kinda bad, and the WB games didn't sell, I mean I didn't even know about Monster World 3-4 back then even though I loved WB3 so it might've been a lack of marketing. Super Fantasy Zone aka FZ3 (the one called that is a pac-man style spinoff) came a bit late and wasn't marketed either afaik, I played it on SMS but not on MD, but it was a nice game. Psycho Fox became Decap Attack; you'd have to play it to know they were related and the latter didn't have the running focus of the former, with that spot being overtaken by Sonic instead.
Sequels to Zillion and Kenseiden would've been nice, as well as a remake or sequel to Golden Axe Warrior. Maybe Alien Syndrome as well. Asterix (Sega) was handed over to Core and those sequels were only OK on MD.

However since they did get Konami, Capcom, Sunsoft, Tecmo and Taito on board there could've been more sequels for NES games like Bionic Commando, Bubble Bobble, Goonies 2, Metal Gear 2, 1943, Little Nemo, Willow, Ufouria, Rygar, Solomon's Key 1 or 2, etc.
Toki got a port/remix of sorts but it wasn't as good for some reason, and the Double Dragon sequels were not ported well either. Blaster Master 2 was a pretty bad outsourced sequel and so was Strider 2. Batman: Return of the Joker got a poor outsourced port. Flintstones had a pretty good version on MD, a standalone game, and so did Tiny Toons. Ninja Gaiden almost got a beat 'em up sequel on MD but it wasn't finished.
Little Samson and Power Blade 2 could've been remade perhaps. Gremlins 2 was late enough (1990) to get remade or get a unique game for MD too. Rastan 3 could've been ported probably. Would've also loved to see a sequel to Golvellius for MD.

Saturn era is where Sega pretty much stopped caring for their legacy I think, with no proper Sonic, Toejam & Earl, Streets of Rage, Comix Zone, Vectorman, Ecco or Phantasy Star sequels. It did lead to some great new games like Panzer Dragoon 1-2+Saga and Nights, but then they didn't follow those up on DC, I guess since the Saturn failed outside of Japan.

Edit: I got Tecmo and Technos confused, but other companies ported or remade some technos games for MD such as Nintendo World Cup and the aforementioned Double Dragons.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: cccmar on June 14, 2021, 04:01:23 pm
Sequels to Zillion and Kenseiden would've been nice, as well as a remake or sequel to Golden Axe Warrior. Maybe Alien Syndrome as well. Asterix (Sega) was handed over to Core and those sequels were only OK on MD.

There was a sequel to Zillion, buuuut it was completely unremarkable (and on the Master System at that; The Tri Formation, look it up if you haven't seen it). Nobody remembers it for a reason, let's just put it this way. I also agree about the giants of the industry at the time, there probably should've been more sequels to their own properties + even more original properties like Rocket Knight at least, in terms of quality. That could've done even more for the console.

Some other "kinda" obscure games I like:
my top 3 RPGs - Starflight, Pirates! Gold and Shadowrun. Those are definitely my fav RPGs on the system, pretty much no contest. Whether they are obscure is another thing, since the first two are rather well-known PC games, but I feel like they're sorta underappreciated on the Genesis. I also enjoyed Panorama Cotton, it being a shmup with great visuals and Undead Line - because there are very few "walking" shmups on the platform, plus it has a rocking soundtrack...
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: PresidentLeever on June 15, 2021, 07:58:22 am
Yeah I've played Tri Formation, should've mentioned that but like you said it's pretty unremarkable and also not a Metroid/Impossible Mission-style game like the first and which I wanted more of.

Those 3 RPGs are all pretty cool and very ambitious Open World-like games for the time. I guess Pirates Gold is the most well known out of those. Love Panorama Cotton!
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on June 15, 2021, 10:09:37 am
Well, the Master System certainly did better there than anywhere not named Brazil, but it didn't get European gamers away from the PC's like the Mega Drive did, so it would still be the first Sega console for many over there as well.

Zillion has an anime if you're interested(you'd have to watch most of it dubbed though), Opa Opa from the Fantasy Zone series is fairly well featured in it too.



Super Fantasy Zone! It's on the mini, but we never got a cartridge release in NA.

My favorite obscure game that you guys got that we didn't(in cartridge form) is easily Alien Soldier. Fantastic game.


For the record, Panorama Cotton, Space Harrier II, After Burner II, Super Thunder Blade, Galaxy Force 2, and Burning Force, all on/ported to the Genesis/Mega Drive, are rail shooters. Genre doesn't magically start with Star Fox(though Cotton is newer).

Pirates! is also a favorite. I see it as an open world adventure, more than roleplaying.

I don't know if I have what it takes to get through something like Starflight(or Rings of Power, which is a flat out open world RPG).

If I played Shadowrun correctly the first time I beat it, the beginning is too much of a slow burn for me to return to. Story is great, what little it has, when you're ready for it, but that slow beginning is rough to get through.

Ninja Gaiden not getting any true 16-bit sequels was one of the biggest shames of the 16-bit generation. I'd almost suspect some wanted the SNES for that particular followup, just to get a compilation instead.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: PresidentLeever on June 15, 2021, 12:33:43 pm
Thanks, I have checked out that anime once and it's pretty neat if you're into stuff like Robotech, Cobra and Starzinger.

Yes Alien Soldier is great. I believe it was pretty obscure here too, perhaps not releasing in certain countries at all. I never saw it back then personally though by 1995 I was playing SNES more, as well as PC DOS and Windows games. The Amiga was pretty big here (Sweden) up until around Doom 1, but also Nintendo's consoles; I'd say the MD was only really popular for 3-4 years here but that's just my personal experience. Pretty much no one had a Saturn and only some the DC.

Not sure if there were any real stand out examples of non-US games that were also really popular. Dragon Ball Z might've been a hit in France. Wily Wars and Super Fantasy Zone I also didn't know about at the time. The below are good but they're multiplat games (besides MM '96):
Cannon Fodder
Donald in Maui Mallard
Flink
International Superstar Soccer Deluxe
Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament
Micro Machines: Turbo Tournament '96
Worms
Dragon Ball Z: L'Appel du Destin
Wonder Boy III: Monster Lair

One example of a game seemingly more popular in the EU (and in Russia) but which is not exclusive there is Dune II. Maybe also Wiz 'n Liz.


Indeed, Sega were sort of the kings of that genre in the arcades at least, and the Panzer Dragoon games were great too.

A similar game to Starflight but perhaps more accessible is Star Control 2, I'll recommend the fan remake of that one for PC since it's also free. It's really a tweaked port of the 3DO version back to PC.

Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on June 16, 2021, 08:38:25 am
There was this early rail shooter in '83, that got ported to the 2600 the same year, Buck Rogers. Funny thing is, I think Sega was involved with that one too.

Speaking of '83, back to Technosoft, they made a PC game(not sure which exact Japanese PC) that would be the start of a shoot 'em up series, before the starting title of any other shoot 'em up series, which would be Thunder Force. The odd numbered stages in Thunder Force II were what the original game was like the entire time, but then the even numbered stages are what the series would adapt. Turns out, as not as popular as the MD was in Japan, it was letters from the MD owners about TFII, that let the developers know how appreciated the game was. Thunder Force III, to my knowledge is the only time this ever happened, got a port to the arcade, as Thunder Force AC, then to the rival console as Thunder Spirits. Meaning the MD/Genesis game would have had to have been that damn good. Thunder Force IV/Lightening Force(as we got it here) has one of, if not the most, metal track in a cartridge console, if you can make it to the 8th stage. Not familiar with V as that moves onto the 32-bit consoles, and Technosoft were defunct by VI, which was handled by Sega for the PS2, and not the best received entry in the series.

At this point, we're probably mentioning stuff that was already mentioned within the first 3 pages here, hard not to.

Someone mentioned series people should associate with the console, and forgot to mention Shinobi. That said, I'm not sure how well known Shadow Dancer is. Plays like the original arcade game, but with the dog mechanic(hold the button down until the dog is ready, and it grabs onto and distracts the enemy, gets especially useful when there are multiple gun using enemies).
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Jorpho on June 16, 2021, 10:44:00 am
There was this early rail shooter in '83, that got ported to the 2600 the same year, Buck Rogers. Funny thing is, I think Sega was involved with that one too.
Yes, that was ported to a wide variety of pre-NES machines; I fondly recall the Coleco ADAM version.  There's a whole bunch of videos contrasting them all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Xrc2PZwG0
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: PresidentLeever on June 16, 2021, 01:01:28 pm
TFV has a totally metal OST as well, when it's not using jazz fusion. One of my fave shooter series (up until 5 anyway, haven't actually played 6 yet).

Shadow Dancer is solid too (and also has some good music, particularly the credits ballad), though I prefer having a lifebar. Luckily for me there is a "2 HP" hack for it.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: CryinOnion on June 16, 2021, 02:46:02 pm
Steel Empire is a great one: https://youtu.be/eyvSpDCnsKc it has a really unique "Steampunk" look for a shooter on the Genesis.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on June 17, 2021, 09:25:16 am
^I think I said it earlier on in this thread, but the whole genre could be this discussion. Plus, unlike other consoles that are good at it, you didn't have to import most of the best ones.

Though for something of an import of the shoot 'em up genre to the NA region(now has an official release in a 4 game pack for the developer), unlike what some think, Zero Wing has a lot more to offer than a memetastic intro.

This one's out of my personal range, but since I mentioned a Buck Rogers game, the Genesis has a port of the SSI Goldbox PC RPG Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday. I've never seen it get a worse grade than C, usually much higher when I do see reviews of it. Sequel remains PC exclusive to my knowledge.

Ironically the SSI Goldbox series were mostly D&D games. That said, some swear by the D&D game here as well, Warriors of the Eternal Sun.

If you can't find enough to do with JRPG's, you might be pleasantly surprised by the WRPGs. If you even care about this type of gaming to begin with.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: goldenband on June 17, 2021, 02:22:25 pm
Whip Rush is a pretty fun shooter with a satisfying challenge level. I recommend it.

I also enjoyed Curse. Despite the substandard frame rate I found it a pleasure to play, and I like the soundtrack a lot.

The first Smurfs platformer is pretty fun. (The second one stinks, sadly.)

Here's a list of what's been recommended so far:

Obscure (or "obscure") games recommended by someone:

16 Ton
The Adventures of Batman and Robin
Alien Soldier
Alisia Dragoon
Arcus Odyssey
Arrow Flash
Battle Mania / Trouble Shooter
Battle Mania Daiginjou
Beyond Oasis
Biohazard Battle
Blades of Vengeance
Bubba 'n Stix
Cannon Fodder
Chiki Chiki Boys
Columns III
Comix Zone
CrossFire/Super Airwolf
Crue Ball
Crusader of Centy
Curse
Cyborg Justice
Dahna: Megami Tanjou
Devilish/Bad Omen
Dinosaurs for Hire
Donald in Maui Mallard
Dragon Ball Z: L'Appel du Destin
Dragon's Fury/Devil Crash MD
Dune II
Dyna Brothers 2
Dynamite Headdy
El Viento
Elemental Master
Elf Wor/Revenge of Fu Manchu/Super Magican/Ling Huan Dao Shi
Eliminate Down
Eternal Champions
Exile
Fatal Labyrinth
Fengshen Yingjiechuan
Fire Shark
Flicky
Flink
Gaiares
Gain Ground
Garfield: Caught in the Act
General Chaos
Gleylancer
Golden Axe III
Goofy's Hysterical History Tour
Granada
Gunstar Heroes
Haunting Starring Polterguy
Herzog Zwei
High School Soccer Kunio Kun
Home Alone
Honoo no Toukyuuji Dodge Danpei
The Hybrid Front
International Superstar Soccer Deluxe
Jewel Master
Jim Power
Kid Chameleon
King Colossus
King's Bounty
Landstalker
Langrisser II
Light Crusader
Lord Monarch
Lotus & Lotus II
Magical Taruruuto-kun
Mamono Hunter Yohko
Mazin Saga: Mutant Fighter
McDonald's Treasure Land
Micro Machines
Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament
Micro Machines: Turbo Tournament '96
Might & Magic II: Gates to Another World
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie
Monster World IV
Moving Adventure Psy-O-Blade
M.U.S.H.A.
Mystic Defender
Onslaught
Panorama Cotton
Phantom 2040
Pier Solar
Pirates! Gold
Pulstar
Quackshot
Ranger X
Ristar
Robocop vs. The Terminator
Rocket Knight Adventures
Rolling Thunder 2 & 3
Rolo to the Rescue
Saturday Night Slam Masters
Scooby-Doo Mystery
Sensible Soccer
Shadow Dancer
Shadowrun
Shui Hu Feng Yun Zhuan / Water Margin
Skitchin'
The Smurfs
Sol-Deace
Sparkster
Star Cruiser
Starflight
Steel Empire
Super Fantasy Zone
Super Hydlide
Sword of Vermilion
Taz-Mania
Tinhead
Todd's Adventures in Slime World
Tom and Jerry: Frantic Antics
Trampoline Terror
Twinkle Tale
Ultimate Qix/Volfied
Undeadline
Valis
Wani Wani World
Wardner
Warrior of Rome II
Weaponlord
Whip Rush
Wings of Wor/Gynoug
Wiz 'n Liz
Wonder Boy III: Monster Lair
Worms
Yu Yu Hakusho Gaiden
Yu Yu Hakusho: Makyou Toitsusen
Zero Wing
Zoom

Games that have been mentioned, but not recommended per se:

After Burner II
Buck Rogers
Burning Force
D&D: Warriors of the Eternal Sun
Dragon Slayer series (e.g. Dragon Slayer: The Legend of Heroes)
Dyna Brothers
Galaxy Force II
Mulan (bootleg)
Ninja Burai Densetsu
Quad Challenge
Rings of Power
S.S. Lucifer: Man Overboard!
Sangokushi Retsuden: Ransei no Eiyuutachi
Sorcerian
Space Harrier II
Super Thunder Blade
Surging Aura

Games that have been recommended, but can't reasonably be called "obscure":

(Disney's) Aladdin
Castle of Illusion
Castlevania Bloodlines
Earthworm Jim
Earthworm Jim 2
Mega Man: The Wily Wars
Phantasy Star III
Revenge of Shinobi
Shinobi III
Streets of Rage / Bare Knuckle I, II, III
Thunder Force II, III, IV
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: PresidentLeever on June 17, 2021, 02:42:50 pm
Oh I can recommend Wiz 'n Liz. Dune II I wouldn't call obscure, but it is good. Just a bit dated if you're used to C&C and later RTSs.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: goldenband on June 17, 2021, 02:53:07 pm
Oh I can recommend Wiz 'n Liz. Dune II I wouldn't call obscure, but it is good. Just a bit dated if you're used to C&C and later RTSs.
Wiz 'n Liz actually got double-listed, thanks for catching that!

As for "obscure" I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to all but the most extreme cases. But series like Thunder Force, Phantasy Star, and Streets of Rage are so famously identified with the Genesis that only the likes of Sonic are more visible -- if you've heard of the Genesis, you've probably heard of those games, as they're total "Genesis starter pack" material -- while Castlevania and Mega Man are too high-profile as a series.

At least Golden Axe III was Sega Channel-only in the US, while Shadow Dancer is relatively overlooked compared to the other two. Similarly, Aladdin and Castle of Illusion are too famous, whereas Quackshot is a tier below in visibility (at least in the US, maybe not Japan). Of course this is all for fun anyway...

BTW Ninja Burai Densetsu is one game that got mentioned without a recommendation that looks really interesting to me. Can't tell if it's actually any good, though, without a translation patch.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: Sanedan56 on June 17, 2021, 03:23:30 pm
Might and Magic 2 and King's Bounty are games that I enjoy.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: PresidentLeever on June 17, 2021, 04:58:51 pm
I'll second King's Bounty, an ambitious game for the MD and still pretty unique too. Don't let the crude audiovisuals keep you from trying it.

Wiz 'n Liz actually got double-listed, thanks for catching that!

As for "obscure" I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to all but the most extreme cases. But series like Thunder Force, Phantasy Star, and Streets of Rage are so famously identified with the Genesis that only the likes of Sonic are more visible -- if you've heard of the Genesis, you've probably heard of those games, as they're total "Genesis starter pack" material -- while Castlevania and Mega Man are too high-profile as a series.

At least Golden Axe III was Sega Channel-only in the US, while Shadow Dancer is relatively overlooked compared to the other two. Similarly, Aladdin and Castle of Illusion are too famous, whereas Quackshot is a tier below in visibility (at least in the US, maybe not Japan). Of course this is all for fun anyway...

BTW Ninja Burai Densetsu is one game that got mentioned without a recommendation that looks really interesting to me. Can't tell if it's actually any good, though, without a translation patch.

That's rather cool to see for Thunder Force too, since I don't think it used to be the case. Well, shoot 'em ups are still pretty niche in general but that series has a bigger following now than back in the day I feel like.

I agree with the rest. Ninja Burai Densetsu I haven't really played but I did like the music, which is kinda similar to the OST for Rent a Hero.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on June 18, 2021, 09:29:33 am
Some would say Curse was the worst game on the console, but at least it's playable, unlike some other actual terrible games on the console.

I'd say Thunder Force and Wily Wars count as obscure.

Problem is we'd be here all day defining, redefining, and re-redefining the word obscure. It's rough because where else are you going to discuss these older games, but on the internet? However, no matter how many message boards, Youtube videos, etc., games getting better known on the internet, by the tens of thousands at best, aren't suddenly mainstream known.

I'd position Gunstar Heroes as obscure still, no matter how many top 10 Genesis game lists it makes. For a relatively mainstream series, I'd even suggest Metroid was fairly obscure. Seems like it holds onto the same barely over 1 million fans in an ever growing industry reaching billions(even if most of that is mobile gaming nowadays). No matter what it has for a fandom, Mother/Earthbound is definitely obscure. Most RPGs/RPG series are, including Chrono. Final Fantasy probably would be if it weren't for the few cases of heavily advertised millions sellers. (Hope it doesn't sound like I'm picking on Nintendo here, just some observations).

I don't want to rush anyone working on these, if there are any, but the games I'd love to see English translations for on this console:

Surging Aura - I know it's being worked on by Red Comet, if you can read French or Russian, you can already have a go at it. PSIV being a favorite, I want to see how they utilize it's engine with this one. Plus there aren't a whole hell of a lot of Arabic fantasy adventure/RPG's, though I can name 3 off the top of my head for this console alone(Beyond Oasis, Exile, and Monster World IV).

Sorcerian - The gameplay itself looks simple, but other aspects seem like they could be fairly complex. There's exclusive missions in this version as I understand it too.

Dyna Brothers/2 - Not much of a strategy person myself, but these 2 look like they could be fun.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: cccmar on June 18, 2021, 10:37:11 am
I'd say that an obscure game is one that: a) came out only in one region and very few people elsewhere know about it (especially JP-exclusives, due to the greatest language barrier); b) is known mostly by a small group of enthusiasts, because the sales were low (even if there's a lot of info about it in English otherwise); c) was popular for a brief while, but is barely known by anyone today.

Judging by such criteria, most of the Mother series is not obscure IMO; Mother 3 was one of the most popular fan-translations ever, and many people have played/remember Earthbound. Only the first game is rather obscure, I'd say. As for the ones you listed - JP-exclusives are by default obscure in most cases, unless they're from some big franchise (early Final Fantasy games or Super Robot Wars, for example). Surging Aura for instance I'd probably classify as obscure, even though it is probably the most expected fan-translation (IMO it's also not that great of a game either, judging by the French version, but it had some good moments from what I recall).

Either way, if we take all that into the account, there's also Yu Yu Hakusho Gaiden, that one's an original story in YYH universe (a mixture of a VN/fighting game of sorts). Could be interesting for the fans of the series once it's fan-translated. Also, The Hybrid Front - a turn-based strategy game, written by an actual novelist, Masahiro Noda (a popular sci-fi writer over there at the time). There are also some Dragon Slayer ports, but I don't know much about them. Overall, I think goldenband's list is pretty comprehensive.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on June 18, 2021, 11:16:33 am
Kind of exactly what I was talking about. Mother 3 has over 26,000 downloads, any given Earthbound/Mother forum has about 30,000 registered users. You interact with the series' fans on the internet, possibly everywhere you go on gaming forums on the internet, and that gives off the illusion that it's this massively popular series. The games, however, never reach so much as half a million sales. It's not exactly a series you can walk away from the internet, find gamers, and have a discussion with, unless you get really lucky and it's one of the 30,000 that would have registered for one of those forums.

That's the trick of trying to define obscure, because if all you know of gamers is who you can talk to about older games on the internet, you don't really know which games are truly well known among gamers, unless they've always had a certain amount of popularity(like Mario, Sonic, Pokemon, Pac-Man, Space Invaders, Streets Fighter, DooM, etc.).

Using EA as an example, I've brought up Skitchin' a million times, it truly is one of my favorites. People really know what the Road Rash series is, but not this particular spin off/cousin of the series on inline skates. People know what the Strike games are(Desert, Jungle, Urban, and there's a couple on the 32-bit consoles), but no one knows what Blades of Vengeance or Haunting starring Polterguy are. They get more and more conversation on the internet/exposure through Youtube videos, but gamers are not likely to ever know what those games are on a much larger scale.

Which is fine, leaves more for us to discover :P.
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: goldenband on June 18, 2021, 12:00:58 pm
Just to be clear, my working definition of "obscure" was meant to avoid defining "obscure", by classifying only the most well-known games as non-obscure. For everything else, it depends, as always. ;D

Added the most recent named games, and also threw in Moving Adventure Psy-O-Blade, a visual novel/adventure with very minor action elements. Certainly worth a playthrough.

I can't recommend it or not -- can only say it exists -- but on music alone, Sega's non-Koei Three Kingdoms strategy game, Sangokushi Retsuden: Ransei no Eiyuutachi, is very intriguing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqBKAsyVqBA
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: cccmar on June 18, 2021, 12:59:21 pm
Kind of exactly what I was talking about. Mother 3 has over 26,000 downloads, any given Earthbound/Mother forum has about 30,000 registered users. You interact with the series' fans on the internet, possibly everywhere you go on gaming forums on the internet, and that gives off the illusion that it's this massively popular series. The games, however, never reach so much as half a million sales. It's not exactly a series you can walk away from the internet, find gamers, and have a discussion with, unless you get really lucky and it's one of the 30,000 that would have registered for one of those forums.

Ah, I believe it only has this many downloads here; Mato (or was it someone else from the team?) mentioned somewhere that the actual number a couple weeks after the release had been way higher, more than 100k in fact, but I am not 100% sure about the exact statistics. (found it -> https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/132284/you_say_tomato_a_pro_on_.php, and that was in 2008). Whatever the case may be, I guess you're right - if you count the games under 500k sales as obscure then that's the vast majority of all games. I'd also classify Japanese PC games as obscure by that token as well, mostly because they usually have adult elements/the sales mostly weren't spectacular, either.

One more game I remembered, in the meantime - Magical Taruruuto-kun by none other than Game Freak, of Pokemon fame. A pretty fun, albeit short/simple platformer with very little text (there's a script translation somewhere online).
Title: Re: Favorite Obscure Genesis Games?
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on June 18, 2021, 04:02:57 pm
Most of gaming is going to be obscure by nature. It's a massive hobby, a lot is going to fly under the radar, and it'd be impossible to not miss out on a lot. Which would be the point of a thread like this :P

Game Freak also has Pulseman, which is pretty cool platformer. I believe that's one of M.I.J.E.T.s translations. I'd definitely give that a recommendation.