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Title: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Spooniest on June 22, 2012, 07:24:49 am
A google search reveals very, very little on the history of this translator (translation group?). Who were they? When did they release their patches? Where are they now? What happened to them?

A review of Final Fantasy V's translation by them refers to it as the original fan translation.

Apologies if this seems irrelevant, but I'm just killing time...
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Nightcrawler on June 22, 2012, 09:01:28 am
The answer (and much more) good sir can be found by clicking the 'History' link on our left hand navigation bar. ;)

That answers all questions aside from where they are now. I can't say much there, but I don't believe any are doing anything ROM hacking related today.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Spooniest on June 22, 2012, 09:09:54 am
....

You mean that's it?

My reader's instinct is not satisfied.

This is a topic that's been on my mind lately; a timeline is a poor representation of history.

From the wikipedia article: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History) (emphasis mine)

Quote
Historians write in the context of their own time, and with due regard to the current dominant ideas of how to interpret the past, and sometimes write to provide lessons for their own society. In the words of Benedetto Croce, "All history is contemporary history". History is facilitated by the formation of a 'true discourse of past' through the production of narrative and analysis of past events relating to the human race.[13] The modern discipline of history is dedicated to the institutional production of this discourse.

What's the inside story behind RPGe? How can we know where we're going if we haven't bothered to research where we've been? You don't get handed a timeline when you take a history course; you get handed a timeline and a history book.

Maybe this deserves its own topic. What can we learn from the history of romhacking?

EDIT: Here's something...July 8th, 1997 (the day RPGe was formed) would be a momentous day in the history of romhacking. I wish we knew a more exact account of what exactly occurred. I move to hereby recognize July 8th as International Romhacking Day.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Skeud on June 22, 2012, 10:27:57 am
You can still ask to people still around. Shadow & Y0shi are often on byuu's board (with different nicks). I found Barubary's new personal webpage (also with a new name), but lost again his trace.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: samurai goroh on June 22, 2012, 12:00:52 pm
Maybe this could help a bit?
Old RPGe FF5 documents and tools (http://slickproductions.org/forum/index.php?topic=1680.0)
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Spooniest on June 22, 2012, 12:05:50 pm
I appreciate it, but that seems to have gone cold some time ago. Plus, I get the feeling that Lenophis doesn't like me very much, or else I would probably register on Slick Forums myself and try to contact this "Myria."
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Nightcrawler on June 22, 2012, 02:53:58 pm
Bah! I *AM* a community history book. I've lived it and I've cataloged much of this over the years at my board (http://transcorp.parodius.com/forum/), including the details of FF5 and RPGe.

RPGe Chapter 1:

Originally Demi was going to translate FF5e with Som2Freak in late '96. It proved to be too much and he moved to FF2j. In late '96 into early '97, both David Timko and D independently contacted SoM2Freak about working on FF5. He sent over some tools and files as a starting point. D was working with Hooie and Thermopyle. Both groups worked separately until June '97. Then, there was a big drama between the two groups and accusations of stolen work were flying. Both groups ripped each other off.

They soon sorted out their differences and tried combining forces. A few weeks later, RPGe was formed at 8:43 PM EST on July 8 1997 in #ff5e on EsperNet IRC network. Soon after, SoM2Freak showed up wanting to help.  SoM2Freak brought along Barubary to do a better job hacking. RPGe split into multiple projects. Thermopyle and MagitekKn moved on to Dragon Quest I&II, David Timko had knee surgery after which he never returned, and Hooie and D worked on Ranma 1/2 RPG. FF5 ended up in the hands of SoM2Freak and Barubary. Harmony 7 was brought in toward the end to polish up the translation and to argue with Som2Freak. D quit due to internal drama. Ultimately, the project was released credited to D, Som2freak, Barubary, and Harmony 7.

Really, it's quite the teenage dramatic tale! One could delve into the details for hours. Chapter 2 would be the demise of RPGe. It closed and re-opened multiple times for some entertaining reasons. The group imploded. People left, came back, and left again. Drama ensued regularly. But, that's a story for another day. :P

Much of this summary is sourced from myself, Demi, D, and EmuNews archives.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Spooniest on June 22, 2012, 02:58:45 pm
If we don't tell our stories, no one will.

I'm gonna keep a copy of this...assuming that's all the same to you of course.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Nightcrawler on June 22, 2012, 03:14:12 pm
It would be great to expand the Wiki history with anecdotal tales elaborating on many things. However, people haven't found it worthwhile to even keep a timeline updated. I can't imagine many whom would bother to tell any tales. :(

We need to get some of those grumpy old-timers back around here to start telling their tales before everybody is too old to remember. The new generation will have no idea of the truly silly dramatic tales like the days of old when ROM hacking was fresh and new. A piece of history will fade away. An era forgotten. I suppose that's both a bad and good thing!  ;D
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Spooniest on June 22, 2012, 03:15:43 pm
It's never a good thing for history to be forgotten. Or hasn't Final Fantasy 6 taught us anything?!  ;)
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: DarknessSavior on June 22, 2012, 03:49:33 pm
Agreed. I actually kinda wish we had a more extensive romhacking history. I only got started in emulation and whatnot in like...1999 or 2000? So I had already missed a few years of it.

~DS
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Klarth on June 22, 2012, 10:37:50 pm
When one is ignorant of RUSTY PEACHES, how can one truly know what romhacking is all about?  Granted, that didn't involve RPGe.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Neil on June 24, 2012, 10:00:30 pm
This is thoroughly embarrassing, but probably worth sharing anyway. I started writing an article on the FF translation wars of 1997 in 1999. It's pretty poorly written. But at the bottom there are poorly conducted interviews! The interviews are also cursed. </simpsons>

http://www.snakeyes.org/articles/ff.php
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Spooniest on June 24, 2012, 10:03:44 pm
The interviews are also cursed. </simpsons>

...I get it

EDIT: Just what I was talking about. This is the true history of the romhacking community. There's no need to be embarrassed, share your stories! Inquiring minds want to know!

Let all who possess libation drink to the art of romhacking!  :beer:
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Gideon Zhi on June 24, 2012, 10:15:47 pm
http://www.snakeyes.org/articles/ff.php

DUDE SGC. Last update from 2005, hah!

How's Jandar these days?
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Neil on June 24, 2012, 10:24:44 pm
Happy and married lat I spoke to him. I bought a 72pin nes replacement from him three or four years ago when he was selling them on sgc's front page.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Spooniest on June 24, 2012, 10:27:39 pm
Anecdotes on the history of romhacking are meant to be posted here! Let's beef up that history section, people!

Tell me who "Jandar" is. What did he work on? Where is he from? How does he like his eggs? Tell meeeee!! [/Steiner]
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Gideon Zhi on June 25, 2012, 12:38:15 am
I don't know anyone named Jander.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Ryusui on June 25, 2012, 01:37:43 am
I started writing an article on the FF translation wars of 1997 in 1999.

That's good!

It's pretty poorly written.

That's bad!

But at the bottom there are poorly conducted interviews!

That's good!

The interviews are also cursed.

...Can I go now?
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Klarth on June 25, 2012, 03:51:50 am
I'm currently in the process of interviewing Akilla, so there will be an update to this article in a few days. =) (http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/595/1262055260350.jpg)
Sorry, it was all I could think of.   :P
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Neil on June 25, 2012, 06:09:43 am
http://pt.parodius.com/survey/

I did a survey of romhackers and why they were doing what they were doing at some point in 1999. Some big names in there, like Gideon Zhi who would go on to be a moderately prolific hacker.

And this (http://pt.parodius.com/dejap/) is what the dejap website looked like in mid 1998 right before squareplanet died and [J3d!] quit the scene to work on Raine.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Hubz on June 25, 2012, 10:56:54 am
I used to hang out in the romhacking IRC channel regularly back in the day but I never really accomplished much. I have vague memories of setting up a short lived webpage dedicated to the IRC chatroom and stumbling through romhacking basics on Deep Dungeon IV and never really getting anywhere. I was very good friends with BigWierd from even earlier than all the romhacking days. Was always a friendly guy! I also liked chatting with Som2Freak too before all the translation stuff, he was VERY into Japanese as Neil notes but honestly he never really was an asshole to me. Though his personality did change throughout the FF5 translation a bit, probably due to all the drama. The unstable personality I always remember was Demi. One minute would be very cool, the next would be rude. I know him and BigWierd went on to work together for Digital... Eclipse I believe? It was a fun time regardless, most of us were young kids that didn't know any better and so I think personality flaws got magnified a bit. One thing I do know is everyone I mentioned was very sharp, especially for their ages imo. Anyhow this is kinda a pointless posting but thought I would throw in the bits and pieces I remember about the actual personalities.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Draken on June 25, 2012, 10:42:22 pm
@Neil - Wow... I had forgotten all about those interviews.  Thank God my English has improved a little since then. ;)  It's almost painful to read through some of the things that I said back then.  It's like I'm reading something from a totally different person.

You know, I've been around in "the scene" (does anyone even call it that anymore? heh) for over 15 years...  It's getting to be REALLY, REALLY hard to remember incidents that happened way back in its infancy.  I don't really know how reliable my memory would be for any sort of interview about things from that time period.

I must say, though, I was flooded with brief memories and nice little happy feelings when reading names like Stovetop, J3D!, Demi, DarkForce, and even Som2Freak...  You know it would really cool if someone tracked down these ancient pillars of the early community and did a sort of "where are they now" column. 
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Hubz on June 26, 2012, 12:31:00 am
Oh man Dark Force! Forgot about him! Used to chat with him on ICQ all the time. He is one of the earliest greats of the scene for sure as the stuff he figured out to do was brilliant, especially for the time. He was another very friendly guy. Like you said would be cool to find out where they are now and what they're doing. 15 years... has it really has been that long? Damn I feel old!
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: necrosaro on October 27, 2012, 03:20:18 pm
::wave::

I've run into both Akilla and Demi a few years back. It still amazes me that this community is still alive and well after all these years.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Jigglysaint on October 27, 2012, 11:25:34 pm
You can't talk about the olden days of rom hacking without mentioning Dragon Eye Studios and TEK.  Man, those were the days.  Well okay those days kind of sucked, but it was fun for a while.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Gideon Zhi on October 27, 2012, 11:43:37 pm
You can't talk about the olden days of rom hacking without mentioning Dragon Eye Studios and TEK.

Nah mate, the REAL olden days of romhacking was when Starsoft Translations was hosted on squareplanet.net.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Jigglysaint on October 27, 2012, 11:48:30 pm
Nah mate, the REAL olden days of romhacking was when Starsoft Translations was hosted on squareplanet.net.

I guess it depends on your romhacking discipline.  Mine wasn't translations so I didn't know what went on over there.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Revenant on October 28, 2012, 03:49:31 am
You can't talk about the olden days of rom hacking without mentioning Dragon Eye Studios and TEK.  Man, those were the days.  Well okay those days kind of sucked, but it was fun for a while.
Remember the days when people thought "Kirby's Balls" was a good name for a level editor?  :'(

I used to go by "Devin432" on Acmlm's Board (at the ripe old age of 12) and I was very briefly a TEK member. I remember the big stupid feud between TEK and DES being the reason I was so reluctant to join, but solid-tbone (or someone else?) talked me into it (though in retrospect, DES was miles ahead of them anyway...)

Besides being indirectly responsible for the creation of that questionably-named program, I didn't ever bring much to "the scene" except some terrible SMW levels (never released) and other minor SMW-related garbage (a little bit of which apparently made it into "The Second Reality Project 2"); soon after that I started to get bored with hacking, quit TEK (or got kicked out? I really don't remember) and then didn't really do any more messing around with hacking until a couple of years ago.

And there you have it, the True Scene Story of someone who was in a ~famous group~ for about two weeks and then did absolutely nothing of note. Exciting stuff, surely.

http://pt.parodius.com/survey/

This isn't mirrored anywhere, is it? Parodius is no more and archive.org doesn't have it :(
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Jigglysaint on October 28, 2012, 02:17:44 pm
Yeah, I think I remember seeing you around Acmlm's board.  Yeah, there was lots of bad blood between TEK and DES, which was pretty bad.  I have to admit that I am grateful that Vagla picked me up since he saw a bit of potential in me.  I haven't released much since all the stuff I want to edit doesn't have a good level editor, or I just ended up getting sick of it.  By far my greatest contribution to the community was my gameboy Zelda hacking.  Nightmare's Illusion was supposed to be a DES hack, though because of the limitations of Nephi(which I named), I couldn't edit that much.

The other thing I did which was kind of nasty, was that I found this guy on the old Armageddon Games forum and he found out I was into hacking and wanted to learn.  He was rather annoying so what I did was I taught him some stuff and then I sent him off to TEK as sort of a prank.  I kind of feel ashamed of it now, but back then it was funny to send a n00b to a rival hacking group and see what came out of it.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Myria on December 01, 2012, 03:08:16 am
What would you like to know?  I haven't talked to SoM2Freak since 1998, but I talk to harmony7 on a regular basis.

harmony7 returned to Japan, where he now has a wife and two daughters.  He works for an American company as a programmer.

I currently work as a programmer as well.
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: LostTemplar on December 01, 2012, 03:32:10 am
Only slightly related, but did your ROM hacking and/or the skill required from it in any way aid in your getting a job?
Title: Re: Tell me about RPGe.
Post by: Myria on December 01, 2012, 03:47:06 am
Only slightly related, but did your ROM hacking and/or the skill required from it in any way aid in your getting a job?

Eventually, yes.  When I hacked FF5, I really wasn't very good at all, but I continued reverse engineering.  I later got involved in making cheat codes for PS1 games, cheating the crap out of Phantasy Star Online on Dreamcast, and the Xbox Linux project.  The latter ended up leading to my current employer finding me.

I wrote a long post here a few days ago: http://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2944&start=15

Both my old Internet name and my current Internet name came from end bosses in Breath of Fire 2 and 1/3 respectively.