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Romhacking => ROM Hacking Discussion => Topic started by: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 01:18:40 pm

Title: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 01:18:40 pm
All right I want to hack the PSX Game "Digimon World".

For that purpose I need someone who can figure out some things.
All right I got the table for Dialogues so Text hacking itself wouldn't be an issue.
What I can't do is making the texts be longer than original which in some cases would be really useful.
But also I want to be able to edit Models and Graphics.

What I want from you:

I need a GUI based tool that can: make you edit dialogues (longer pointers), Open the 3D Models (they are stored in a format called MMD which is somehow based on TMD), Open up the MAPS (Format seems to be TFS here) and export and import everything+editing. Basically so you can do a lot of funny things in the game and make evil hacks like the Pokemon hacks. Yeah that's what I basically want but for this very PSX Game.


Payment: depending on success and the functions provided up to 50$. If you can get everything I want even 100$.

Answer in this thread if you feel capable I can provide materials you need just say what you will need.

Best Regards,
Romsstar
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Gemini on February 12, 2011, 02:20:59 pm
100 dollars for all that mess? Forget it.
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 02:46:19 pm
I don't really think money would be the issue but I'm pretty sure you say that Gemini because you aren't capable of doing even one of that tasks but it's way easier to turn it down by saying not enough money haha.
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Lilinda on February 12, 2011, 02:51:45 pm
A. You pretty much can't get anyone to do hacking for you for cash.

B. Gemini has completed several translation hacks, is working on others, and even has a homebrew game in the making. He knows what he's talking about.
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: 9volt Kappa on February 12, 2011, 02:54:17 pm
I don't really think money would be the issue but I'm pretty sure you say that Gemini because you aren't capable of doing even one of that tasks but it's way easier to turn it down by saying not enough money haha.

:laugh: Why don't you do it your self?

Doesn't  this board tell you if someone has posted while you're writing a response?
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 02:55:35 pm
I know that Gemini has the basic skills when it comes to PSX hacking but this is something of an higher level and I think that he knows  how hard it is and not the money but the task itself (which is not easy) is scaring him away.

And I.S.T what's your point? As long as no one is doing the exact same thing by coincidence I'm screwed no matter how much I offer? lol
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Ryusui on February 12, 2011, 02:55:59 pm
He's probably gonna have to, now that he's insulted Gemini.

Rule of thumb: romhackers don't work for pay. Either we don't accept money for what we do on ethical grounds, or the people who offer to pay are generally clueless about what they're asking us for.
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 02:59:51 pm
Ryusui: Would that make a difference in first place? I lurked around this board a lot and I notice the tons of threads with 1-2 replies because nobody even cares to help.
Of course I don't have the skills to do what I'm asking otherwhise I would do it myself.

The thing I'm asking for is a program, not you to hack a Rom there's where the difference comes in when we talk about the ethnical ground.

And where do you see the insult?
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: creeperton on February 12, 2011, 03:06:42 pm
Try again. (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=How+much+does+a+software+engineer+make&cp=24&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=How+much+does+a+software&pbx=1&bav=on.1,or.&fp=92188ee12107320c)
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: 9volt Kappa on February 12, 2011, 03:07:42 pm


And where do you see the insult?
I don't really think money would be the issue but I'm pretty sure you say that Gemini because you aren't capable of doing even one of that tasks but it's way easier to turn it down by saying not enough money haha.

Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 03:11:08 pm
It was actually an appropriate response to his reaction. No insult at all.
If he was saying "could do it but for 500" that would show he's a professional all right.
But by this way of responding his credibility at least for me went down to 0.
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Pennywise on February 12, 2011, 03:12:36 pm
I find this thread oddly amusing.

Carry on >:D
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 03:22:08 pm
Funny enough this thread has got already more responses than half of this board's threads only because the factor money is in.
Talking about ethical grounds.lol
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Tomato on February 12, 2011, 03:24:45 pm
$50 or even $100 really IS incredibly low for the amount of work you're asking. You're looking for a program, with a GUI, that can do a whole bunch of different, pretty complicated things. It'd probably take a lot longer, but let's say conservatively that it'd take someone 100 hours (a couple hours a day for a month) to put all that together. 100 hours of work for $50 comes to 50 cents an hour. Would you work a job for only 50 cents an hour? That's why Gemini says it's way too low for the amount of work. Honestly, for projects this complicated, actual companies would probably pay tens of thousands.

Gemini happens to be like THE Playstation hacking guy, BTW. Hell, besides his excellent PSX translations and homebrew stuff, I've even seen him port Super NES games to native PSX code. Trust him, he knows what he's talking about.

Assuming this isn't a clever troll, of course :P
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: creeperton on February 12, 2011, 03:24:47 pm
Funny enough this thread has got already more responses than half of this board's threads only because the factor money is in.
Talking about ethical grounds.lol

You are absolutely right.  Do you have a facebook page where we could hang out together?
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 03:31:42 pm
$50 or even $100 really IS incredibly low for the amount of work you're asking. You're looking for a program, with a GUI, that can do a whole bunch of different, pretty complicated things. It'd probably take a lot longer, but let's say conservatively that it'd take someone 100 hours (a couple hours a day for a month) to put all that together. 100 hours of work for $50 comes to 50 cents an hour. Would you work a job for only 50 cents an hour? That's why Gemini says it's way too low for the amount of work. Honestly, for projects this complicated, actual companies would probably pay tens of thousands.

Gemini happens to be like THE Playstation hacking guy, BTW. Hell, besides his excellent PSX translations and homebrew stuff, I've even seen him port Super NES games to native PSX code. Trust him, he knows what he's t alking about :P

Now that's a fine answer all right. You've got a point there.
But which I don't understand if this is such a high paid task like ten thousands of dollars like you're saying I'm wondering why there ARE such tools for the pokemon games and the developers (which did it probably for fun) never got their ten thousands of dollars?

Makes me really wonder how realistis this view is.

I do know and saw what Gemini can do. I respect him and think he's quite good when we talk about basic rom hacking. But his reaction makes me wonder if he even feels up to the task. No elaboration, just saying my task is a mess and 100$ is not enough.


Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: KaioShin on February 12, 2011, 03:31:54 pm
a) This thread has a lot of responses since you are ridiculous.

b) The threads you are talking about with "no one helping" are unreasonable requests, just as this one. Either they are outright "I can't do anything, so please someone do this for me" or "Here is specific game X and I need specific thing Y done", which no one who hasn't actually worked on the game can answer - which leads back to the first case, it's unreasonable to expect someone else to get that deep into a game just to help someone who doesn't want to bother. Topics with sensible questions that can be answered without game specific knowledge, or with very specific questions that are sufficiently described get pretty much always responses. If you can't tell the difference, you really don't have a clue what you are requesting. If you actually knew, you'd know that the sum you are proposing is quite insulting. What you want is a project that can keep someone busy for a year. And it has nothing to do with difficulty. It's the volume of what you are asking.
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 03:39:18 pm
KaioShin: Ok let's assume I never had mentioned a sum.  How many responses this thread would have gotten? I guess we both know it's close to 0.
And you can't say I'm just being lazy or I've never tried I ripped the game script, I got the table file and all the models and maps ripped out in their specific formats.
I did my efforts. Given that you say this is an unreasonable request, the sum doesn't really matter at all.

But I do think that one year is quite a lot said as the developers themselves needed less than a year to write the whole game.lol
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: DarkSol on February 12, 2011, 03:45:11 pm
KaioShin: Ok let's assume I never had mentioned a sum.  How many responses this thread would have gotten? I guess we both know it's close to 0.
Yep, would have gotten very few responses because you're asking someone to do all the work, researching and understanding how the game works, for you.

The amount of money is immaterial.
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: 9volt Kappa on February 12, 2011, 04:12:57 pm


But I do think that one year is quite a lot said as the developers themselves needed less than a year to write the whole game.lol

:banghead:

And you can't say I'm just being lazy or I've never tried I ripped the game script, I got the table file and all the models

Yes I can, You're just being lazy.
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: snarfblam on February 12, 2011, 04:59:32 pm
Romsstar, $100 is a pretty small sum of money. If you think there is really only $100 worth of effort involved, why are you trying to recruit somebody else to do the work? If you've ever written a utility you'd realize the enormous amount of effort that goes into even a seemingly simple utility. Do you really think that somebody could make such a utility in half a day? Or, just how little do you think our time is worth?
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: KingMike on February 12, 2011, 05:11:55 pm
A reminder that in the rules, it is strongly recommended against someone to ask somebody to do something for you, particularly writing a big utility program.

And I'll also say Gemini is probably one of the most skilled PS1 hackers you'll find, he's definitely not a beginner.
(that is to say, he's pretty qualified to answer about the difficulty of PS1 hacks)
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Romsstar on February 12, 2011, 05:40:54 pm
I never implied Gemini isn't skilled but that this task is maybe even too hard for him that's why he turned it down.
Maybe it is  a presumption but after all this is no easy task I guess.
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: DarkSol on February 12, 2011, 10:35:38 pm
I never implied Gemini isn't skilled but that this task is maybe even too hard for him that's why he turned it down.
Maybe it is  a presumption but after all this is no easy task I guess.

(http://i.imgur.com/by515.png)
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Hamtaro126 on February 12, 2011, 10:40:04 pm
Genimi can redo SNES games to PlayStation games???

Then that makes him the new lord of romhacking,

Because PSX games are a mix between SNES and N64, as well as a CD player!

*Grins at MIPS variation,*
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Azkadellia on February 12, 2011, 10:46:07 pm
I never implied Gemini isn't skilled but that this task is maybe even too hard for him that's why he turned it down.
Maybe it is  a presumption but after all this is no easy task I guess.

(http://i.imgur.com/by515.png)

This would be a walk in the park for Gemini. He just chooses not to.

@DarkSol
You, sir, win 5 internets.
Title: Re: Looking for a Reverse Engineerer (or something like that)
Post by: Sawakita on February 13, 2011, 05:36:42 am
Now that's a fine answer all right. You've got a point there.
But which I don't understand if this is such a high paid task like ten thousands of dollars like you're saying I'm wondering why there ARE such tools for the pokemon games and the developers (which did it probably for fun) never got their ten thousands of dollars?

Makes me really wonder how realistis this view is.

First: you answered yourself, since you said they did it for fun. They weren't asked by some random guy to make a tool for a random game they probably don't even have interest in (which, by the way, I think, is one of the main reason for a hacker to do something).

Second: I have no knowledge in PSX hardware, but comparing a psx game to a GBA pokemon game seems pretty out of place, since pokemon is generally way smaller than a PSX game, not to mention that PSX have 3D graphics (they do, don't they?), while pokemon just have maps formed by predeclared blocks, which really isn't a big deal at all.

Once again, not knowing anything about PSX mechanics I may be wrong, but it seems that building a tool for a psx game would take too much time if compared to the requester's attitude and offer.

I do know and saw what Gemini can do. I respect him and think he's quite good when we talk about basic ROM hacking. But his reaction makes me wonder if he even feels up to the task. No elaboration, just saying my task is a mess and 100$ is not enough.
I never implied Gemini isn't skilled but that this task is maybe even too hard for him that's why he turned it down.
Maybe it is  a presumption but after all this is no easy task I guess.

If you really want to disprove Gemini, give him ten thousands of dollars and see if you won't receive a well packed tool with a shiny ribbon on it (you're going to receive it for sure since you are being such a nice and enlightened person [sarcasm]).