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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2008, 08:28:31 pm »
I can’t find anything like “stonka”, even searching in Cyrillic. Stonka apparently means “ladybug” in Polish, but....

Nope, ladybug would be biedronka. Stonka is Colorado potato beetle.
Kinda funny, it was used for propaganda means in '50s here, supposedly was spread from planes by 'enemies of socialism' (read: USA).
I stand corrected. I suppose I got a little bit mixed up when reading this. Well, that’s what I get for not knowing Slavic well enough.
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2008, 08:41:05 pm »
That blog link isn't me. :)  But I did read his translation a few weeks ago, which was a major motivator in starting this project.  I know the story passes for cheap sci-fi or whatever, but I found it pretty enjoyable.  I even hunted down the anime after finishing it.  It's too bad he'll probably never get to do the third book, though.

I updated the original post with a new pic and a movie, and you'll have to take my word for it that it's not an April Fool's Day joke. :)

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2008, 09:12:27 pm »
Very nice work! I'm actually looking forward to this one now. :o
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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2008, 11:23:06 pm »
I'm a major mythology buff and am pretty culturally informed, so I could definately help you out with demon translation names. As for my Japanese skills, they are mostly limited to being able to read basic hirugana so I can't help you there. But if you need help on choosing the best version of a name or the traditional one, I'm your guy. If you don't mind, could you message me the list of the demon names or your translations? I can get on them ASAP (ASAP being when I'm home from school).

As for the Zoma deal. I'm going to have to agree for now with the Ben Zoma part, but I'd like to maybe see the sprite first? I feel it's too much of a stretch to think it's one of the four sagely rabbis as of now (unless they include the others too).

EDIT: Ahh! Could it be a Vedic reference to the ruler of the night "Soma" in Indian astrology? According to this belief, he rules over all lunar houses. More here: (cntrl + F "Zoma" or "Soma")   

http://www.world-mysteries.com/gw_edziom3.htm
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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2008, 11:36:14 pm »
I'm pretty sure the blog was by Ian.


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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2008, 11:42:09 pm »
As for the Zoma deal. I'm going to have to agree for now with the Ben Zoma part, but I'd like to maybe see the sprite first? I feel it's too much of a stretch to think it's one of the four sagely rabbis as of now (unless they include the others too).
Well, it’s already religiously offensive! :D

EDIT: Ahh! Could it be a Vedic reference to the ruler of the night "Soma" in Indian astrology? According to this belief, he rules over all lunar houses. More here: (cntrl + F "Zoma" or "Soma")   

http://www.world-mysteries.com/gw_edziom3.htm
That is plausible.
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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2008, 12:01:19 am »
Looks very, very nice. Saves me one, that's for sure. I'm both pleased and slightly disappointed by that, but don't let me stop you :)

My only request is that you call it "Megami Tensei: The Old Testament" in translation.

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« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2008, 06:05:16 am »
Saves me one, that's for sure.

SMT: If confirmed? ;)

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2008, 09:45:45 am »
God I hope so. I want to play that so I can read the new manga release.

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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2008, 10:26:48 am »
Am I right in thinking that  Apollon is the same as Apollo, as its the only Greek god I've heard of, or is there another god that fits the bill.

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Nope, ladybug would be biedronka. Stonka is Colorado potato beetle.
Kinda funny, it was used for propaganda means in '50s here, supposedly was spread from planes by 'enemies of socialism' (read: USA).

I remember seeing posters up in our local library as a kid warning about Colorado Beetle, and if spotted that you should notify the government, as its a serious pest.  That was in the UK though, not Poland..

Anyway back on topic,  keep it up as this looks to be well excellent.
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« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2008, 11:20:58 am »
Thanks for the offer of help, 0kami777.  I couldn't find a way to post attachments in this forum, so I tried to upload it to my Google account.  I logged out to test the link and it seems to work, so hopefully anyone will be able to read it.  Don't read it if you hate spoilers though!

About Zoma/Soma, the pic in the game is a four-armed man with swords, so it looks like it may be that god of the night, Soma.  But I think there's also an item called soma in the game, so there might be some confusion.

All this talk of beetles is reminding me of why I hated researching that Stonka name the most. :)  It drove me crazy trying to find something that seems like it should be easy to find.

About Apollon, I'm pretty sure it's the Greek god.  Let me try out this spoiler tag to see if I can clarify.

Apollon's presence in MT2:
Spoiler:
I haven't played the game, but by looking at the script, it seems that you're introduced to some Greek gods by Jack Frost.  He leads you to Zeus, Apollon, Artemis and Leto, and it looks like you can pick one of them to join you.

And to Gideon, yep, that's what I was gonna call it. :)  It's very appropriate since the game is a remake of the 2 old NES games.  If by "one", you mean the NES Megami Tensei translation, if it's not too much trouble, I would still play it if it was translated.  The games that Namco made have a unique art style, and the plots and atmosphere seemed to be more upbeat as well.  I think it even had a "New Game +" mode of sorts, where all of the maps and treasures are rearranged.

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2008, 11:45:47 am »
Note: Keep in mind I'm being fast & loose here [using a thesaurus with some of the ideas you've suggested, and an occasional check with WWWJDic], but...

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Kami    -> God
Jashin  -> Wicked or Vile
Kaijuu  -> Bogey
Kijo    -> Succubus, Vamp, or Harlot [I favour Harlot]

Yama    -> Phantasm, Fright, Horror, or Terror
Yuuki   -> Spectre/Specter, Wraith, or Haunt [I'd prefer Spectre or Wraith]
Youjuu  -> Ghost or Shade [This is pretty similar in vein to Final Fantasy 6's
           Genjuu, or 'phantom beast'.]

Jaki    -> Devil or Imp
Akuryou -> Undead [works, but these are evil spirits; I'd use whichever of the
           Yuuki ones you didn't use for Yuuki.]
Gedou   -> Mutant, Freak, or Heretic [likely that last one]

Yousei  -> Sprite or Faerie/Fairy [I'd prefer Faerie or Sprite, to be honest,
           but that's because I hate 'fairy'.]
Chirei  -> Terran, perhaps
Youki   -> Ethereal or Weird
Majuu   -> Enchanted, Conjured, or Mystic

Youma   -> Ghost or Shade [Whichever isn't used for Youjuu, perhaps. Or feel
           free to find an alternative.]
Seirei  -> Spirit or Elemental
Seijuu  -> Sacred, Divine, or if you really insist, Holy
Genma   -> [Your guess is as good as mine.]

Tenshi  -> Angel [you literally *cannot* translate this any other way, I swear.]
Kishin  -> [Translates to Fierce God, but I don't think you'll be able to denote
           both in 5-7 characters without just romanizing it.]
Shinjuu -> Totem [Translates to Divine Beast, but I can't think of anything close
           to that that wouldn't be a potential monster.]
Majin   -> Devil or Djinn


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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2008, 11:47:00 am »
Don't get me wrong - I'm not dropping the original DDS Megami Tensei translation (and I might go on to do MT2 afterwards.) But I was planning on getting to Kyuyaku at some point, so this saves me the trouble of *that.*

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2008, 02:29:13 pm »
Am I right in thinking that  Apollon is the same as Apollo, as its the only Greek god I've heard of, or is there another god that fits the bill.
Apollo in Greek is Ἀπόλλων – Apollōn. Not to be confused with Απολλυων – Apollyōn. The one-letter difference may not be all that coincidental, though... after all, the rest of the Revelation of John doesn’t have a whole lot of good to say about Greco-Roman values.
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« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2008, 02:32:47 pm »
I think we should leave it as a Apollo, since this is what's most known (this is the first time I've heard it spelled as Appollon) and then the other demon Apollyon can still be named without as much confusion. The Persona series has also stuck with the "Apollo" translation before, so this may be your best choice.

Also, DDS, how does one acess this link on your google account? I'm a little lost since I just started going on these forums...

Kami    -> God
Jashin  -> Chaos
Kaijuu  -> Monster (this is sort of a Japanese-only term for like, big scary movie monsters)
Kijo    -> Temptress

Yama    -> Nightmare (or Night)
Yuuki   -> Haunt
Youjuu  -> Beast

Jaki    -> Imp
Akuryou -> Cursed
Gedou   -> Foul (SMT uses this translation)

Yousei  -> Fairey
Chirei  -> Spirit
Youki   -> Strange
Majuu   -> Enchanted

Youma   -> Discarnate
Seirei  -> Elemental
Seijuu  -> Sacred
Genma   -> Demigod (Checked the SMT Wiki and it's a Japanese-only term literally meaning illusion but in reference to a human-like form that has aqcuired diving powers or status)

Tenshi  -> Angel
Kishin  -> Guardian
Shinjuu -> Avatar (these are references to a God in animal or beastial form; a representation)
Majin   -> Devil
« Last Edit: April 02, 2008, 03:34:07 pm by 0kami777 »

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2008, 03:55:07 pm »
Saves me one, that's for sure.

SMT: If confirmed? ;)

I was wondering about that myself.


ddstranslation, you're doing a great job so far with this translation, I'm very impressed! The funny thing is I didn't even know about this game until I saw this tread. I'm looking forward to play it. :thumbsup:

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2008, 09:29:05 pm »
The link's on the first page, but try clicking here.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddx5478p_1c4bgkx22

I hope you can access this, since I don't have many other places to upload to.  If it doesn't work for you, I'll email it.

About Apollon/Apollyon/Apollo, I may just go with Apollo for the Greek god, and Abaddon for the big fat demon.  It seems like the easiest way to settle the differences.

I uploaded a clip from the second game, taken from near the beginning.  This is almost my limit for translation; I really could use the help of a fluent Japanese speaker.  If anyone could help, you'd be a lifesaver. :)

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2008, 09:41:21 pm »
Hmmm...translators....

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Guy goes by the name of "Tomato", done a lot of Japanese to English ROMs; translated for that anime company Geneon I think. Real pro, currently working on a trans of Mother 3. Brother's got his own site but he can be found at Starmen.net in the forums if you're savy. Man might have a few too much on his hands right now with Mother 3 and all, but he can hook you up with some other translators if he knows 'em.

And I'll be sure to get cracking on this demon list for you and provide you what I know about them mythologically. I'd go with Abbadon though for the big fat guy since that's what SMT has been running with.

PS I appreciate you working on this hack and all. Bets of luck; I'll do what I can to help.

Okay, I'm definately thinking your name choices are pretty spot on in general, so I'm just going to go over the more iffy ones and the demons that are sort of not mythologically well-known.

Moloch, namewise, is fine. He's another name for Ba'al apparently. He was a sacrificial demon/god worshipped in the middl east. He also went by some other famous god names too.

Asmodai or Asmodeus is a well known demon that I'm surprised hasn't made it into the SMT series before considering he's one of the 72 big bad ones. Namewise, stick with Asmodai.

Bael is still a tricky one but it's agreed that he is different than Baal.

Geryon is spelt right and is a giant Hercules faught.

Cronos was a Titan. Name is correct

Arioch, standard Biblical demon, name is fine.

Balaam is prophet yet is considered "wicked"?

Sargatanas appears just to be a random evil demon.

Volva you may want to be, Völva, who was a wise woman, shaman, or priestess in Germanic paganism, in later Norse paganism, and are a recurring motif in Norse mythology. (Wikipedia : ) )

Rarung should be Ralung and is a protective diety in association with this Tibetan temple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralung

Nasu, as far as I can tell....means eggplant...so I think you;re right to assume it's Druj Nasu

Kiyohime's tale can be found here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiyohime

Furiae should be Furie, also sometimes called an Erinyes in Greek mythology. Demons of vegence.

Sawo Bhaku is part of a demon dance...

Celuluk is a Balinese demon part of another ceremonial dance.

Amdusias, another Mideival Europe demon.

Girimekhala should be what SMT has it as, Girimehkala, who is is a large demonic elephant from Sri Lankan mythology.

....More to follow soon.

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« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2008, 10:12:24 pm »
I just want to say I think its great that you are working on translating this game.. I've always wanted to play it. Best of luck, it is looking VERY nice so far.
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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2008, 12:55:31 am »
It's Cronus [Latin] or Kronos (Chronos for you silly people who turn some kappas into 'ch' for Gods know what reasons) [Greek], Okami777. :p