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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #120 on: May 04, 2011, 06:57:26 pm »
The other pointers are $Bxxx, which points to ROM. The circled one is $0418, which is a RAM address.

I don't know why it would use the girl's name. Story reason?
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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #121 on: May 04, 2011, 07:40:07 pm »
I don't think so. That's the default name given by the game for the second character, which is a girl.


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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #122 on: May 04, 2011, 08:46:50 pm »
Regarding the Dark Hero and Girl enemies:

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You don't fight the Dark Hero in either version of the game that I know of, although you do encounter him. Not sure why he's there. As for the girl, this is one of the big version differences: in Kyuuyaku, you meet with the heroine and dialogue automatically starts with you, your partner and the heroine discussing matters. If you mess up the dialogue, she just chases you away without a fight. In the original NES version, however, you have to initiate a conversation with her (which is hinted at, but not outright said, by NPC dialogue in a bar or some such). You can fight her, although she is massively overpowered for your level when you meet her, hitting each character for massive amounts of damage and having lots of HP. It's a rather mean trick, especially because you get a game over if you lose -- which you will. Even if you grind or cheat to kill her, she just reappears next time you enter the room.

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #123 on: May 05, 2011, 12:33:33 am »
Thanks for the answer Asema, but what girl is it that you mean? The 2nd character or what? Since I don't know Japanese, I don't even know if the second character is a girl, I just assumed because I had to name 3 people at the start of the game and I know one of them is a girl.

Is that enemy character with the garbage name supposed to be that girl?

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #124 on: May 05, 2011, 01:21:44 am »
Thanks for the answer Asema, but what girl is it that you mean? The 2nd character or what? Since I don't know Japanese, I don't even know if the second character is a girl, I just assumed because I had to name 3 people at the start of the game and I know one of them is a girl.

Is that enemy character with the garbage name supposed to be that girl?
Apparently it is the girl you name, from what I gathered. I kinda thought so myself, which is why she's just named "Girl" in the credits.

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #125 on: May 05, 2011, 01:35:01 am »
Girlfriend, actually. At least in the FC version.

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #126 on: May 05, 2011, 03:06:18 am »
Girlfriend, actually. At least in the FC version.
It says しょうじょ. That's 少女. Or "girl".

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #127 on: May 05, 2011, 06:06:54 am »
Girlfriend, actually. At least in the FC version.
It says しょうじょ. That's 少女. Or "girl".

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"ショジョ!!トモ", actually, but reyvgm is correct: "Girlfriend".

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #128 on: May 05, 2011, 07:55:30 am »
You can interpret it as the words “girl” and “friend”, but that is no way of saying “girlfriend” in Japanese.
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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #129 on: May 05, 2011, 08:08:48 am »
Thanks for the answer Asema, but what girl is it that you mean? The 2nd character or what? Since I don't know Japanese, I don't even know if the second character is a girl, I just assumed because I had to name 3 people at the start of the game and I know one of them is a girl.

Is that enemy character with the garbage name supposed to be that girl?

Yes.

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #130 on: May 05, 2011, 12:16:09 pm »
Girlfriend, actually. At least in the FC version.
It says しょうじょ. That's 少女. Or "girl".

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #131 on: May 05, 2011, 12:54:03 pm »
It could be read as more than a collection of nouns: Messiah. Also, the girl!!!
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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #132 on: May 05, 2011, 01:05:33 pm »
The default name the game gives to that character is ショウジョ!!

But during the monster slideshow, it adds two characters in the end: ショウジョ!!トモ

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #133 on: May 05, 2011, 01:25:28 pm »
That practically settles it. The とも is grammatical.
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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #134 on: May 05, 2011, 01:36:16 pm »
What does it mean then? Messiah / Girl?

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #135 on: May 05, 2011, 02:19:02 pm »
It means that:

1) the creature depicted is メシア (Messiah)
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2) it is also ショウジョ!! (girl!!)

The use of とも here is akin to the use of “a.k.a.” in English. とも is a tricky devil because it has a bunch of homophonous definitions—including being a girl’s name.
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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #136 on: May 05, 2011, 11:12:19 pm »
Alrighty, got it. I failed to notice "messiah" was the title and not the name of the character.

Thanks!

May 06, 2011, 11:40:40 am - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
A FAQ for Megami Tensei If... has a pretty good translation of what all the monster species mean:

YOUJUU [Yo (Mysterious, Strange) + Juu (Beast)]
   
    Demons of insatiable appetite.  While their intellect is not low,
   per se, most of their actions are dictated purely by greed and
   self-interest. They revel in destruction and many of them desire
   for the creation to be returned to nothingness. Their magical
   powers are weak, but their physical strength is not to be
   underestimated.


KIJO [Ki (Oni, Ogre) + Jo (Woman)]

    Female demons of cold and cruel nature, who sow destruction and
   murder wherever they go. When confronted with enemy, they kill
   without a glimmer of mercy. Their outward appearance, most often,
   is that of a female head on a bestial body. Some of them can be
   quite beautiful if they choose to, but that beauty is of deadly
   kind.

CHIREI [Chi (Earth) + Rei (Spirit)]

    Spirits of Earth and Nature, who lived around humans since
   the ancient times. Most of them have huge, powerfully built bodies
   and possess incredible physical strength. But their magic is quite
   low and in general they are not very warlike. Indeed, while nominally
   a 'KI-ZOKU', they lack the fierceness common to that major-race, and
   are much closer to YOUSEI in spirit. However, when challenged, they
   will defend themselves with unequaled ferocity.


More here:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/snes/581300-shin-megami-tensei-if/faqs/28827
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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #137 on: May 06, 2011, 01:29:54 pm »
A.k.a. "Wilder", "Femme" and "Jirae" (that last one's Chinese).

Inexplicable at times though they may be, 1. a lot of people are gonna know these species by the names Atlus gave 'em, 2. they happen to all fit in only six characters, a handy feature for a fan translation, and 3. I personally like 'em. :3 So if you need any consistency checking on this project, I'll be happy to provide.
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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #138 on: May 06, 2011, 02:38:18 pm »
Ah, those are official then? I have no problems with that.

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Re: Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei 1 & 2
« Reply #139 on: May 07, 2011, 11:33:02 pm »
The etymology is official for the clan names but the descriptions are open to interpretation. Some demons are moved around from clan to clan for various reasons. Kijo is a good name for the clan but I think Femme (fatale) is probably more accurate if you consider that all the demons placed in that clan are not necessarily all ogresses and demonesses. It's surprisingly easy to keep the Megami, Lady, and Femme clans separate if you think about them as different manifestations of femininity. The Megami clan represents all that is positive about females, the Femme clan represents all that is negative, and the Lady clan is a mix of the two. Also, the description in that FAQ for the Dragon (Ryuujin) and Snake (Ryuuou) clans is not accurate based on the demons that are placed in those clans. Actually, Atlus wasn't very consistent with the Dragon/Snake groupings themselves and you see a lot of overlap between the two clans.  :P