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Noside

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Re: Zelda 2 Revamped - HD Pack for Mesen
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2021, 06:57:19 pm »
Woah! looks beautiful! very well made. :thumbsup:

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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2021, 01:16:02 am »
Shoehorning the Master Sword into every Zelda game just isn't right, even when considering the official timeline, it doesn't make sense having the Master Sword, in neither Zelda 1, and much less Zelda 2. There's many reasons why (and this is coming from someone that has hacked and researched many games in the franchise).

In Zelda 1 you get basically better swords from NPCs, and they have no impact nor are required to defeat Ganon/final boss (unlike all other games where you obtain it). Only the Silver Arrows are needed.
In Zelda 2 you don't even get another sword. The same one you start with is the same one you  keep until the end (which is assumed to be the Magical Sword from Zelda 1).

So basically:
1) The swords you get aren't found in a pedestal (all other games with the Master Sword have it in one) or requires the hero to prove it is worthy of it.
2) The upgrade swords are 100% optional, you can even beat the game with the starting wooden sword, while all other games with it make it a focal plot point of the story.
3) At this point in the timeline, Link failed against Ganon, even with the Master Sword, so it makes sense other methods are being used to stop him.

So yeah, give other different swords a time to shine, not everything has to be the Master Sword just because it's a Zelda game.



If I may, and more of a suggestion to the person making the HD pack, I'd suggest making the sword in Link's sprite a bit larger. It looks too short (like the original, but even in there it didn't look good). At least making it a coupke pixels larger and a bit less chunky might help a lot.

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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2021, 12:26:53 pm »
But in the failed timeline the master sword was used to defeat ganon in a link to the past and to defeat ganon yuga in a link between worlds so it was used in this timeline. are you saying in Zelda 1 and 2 they made items that made the master sword no longer necessary like it used to be story wise?

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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2021, 01:17:17 pm »
But in the failed timeline the master sword was used to defeat ganon in a link to the past and to defeat ganon yuga in a link between worlds so it was used in this timeline. are you saying in Zelda 1 and 2 they made items that made the master sword no longer necessary like it used to be story wise?

What I'm saying is, the Master Sword isn't the only thing that can defeat evil in the Zelda franchise.

In both Oracle games you can defeat him without the Master Sword (and there's claims the Sword that's named like that in those games is just a name-drop to match the strength of said sword from other games, not the actual Master Sword).
In Four Swords Adventures you defeat him with only the Four Sword.
In A Link to the Past, you NEED the Silver Arrows to defeat Ganon, while without them the Master Sword alone does nothing (excepting a glitch here).

The Master Sword itself is way too overdone that it almost obscures other neat swords in the franchise, the Magical Sword being one of them, not everything with Ganon/Ganondorf in it needs to have it to defeat him.

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2021, 02:52:00 pm »
Yeah I agree they might have overdone the master sword and the Oracle games are a little bit of an oddity because ganon wasn’t fully resurrected but overall I agree Nintendo made the master sword too special.

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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2021, 08:55:07 am »
Can this be played yet because I'm honestly dying to?

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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2021, 07:56:57 pm »
This looks amazing. Will this work with Zelda 2 redix. I highly recommend it since redux fixes and streamlines a lot of things.

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« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2022, 11:21:50 am »
I played the Demo version of this game. I honestly did not like it. It's too far different from the source material and it feels like another game entirely. For instance, the sword slashes feel and look like sword slashes from the SNES Aladdin game....it's just not Zelda II or Zelda at all really. I would recommend playing the original Zelda Remastered as a template. That remaster is incredible. It keeps the source game virtually completely intact. However, it does build off of previous hacks done and updates graphical quality...otherwise it's the same game.

When one tries to completely remake a game, you run the risk of making the game entirely different from what players are used to and that may not bode well with most players of Zelda II at a base level. It would feel far to foreign from the original Zelda II which is how I felt with that demo. Some things look great though...specifically the backrounds.

If I could suggest anything I would listen to ShadowOne333's comments and suggestions most importantly, because he's done some incredible work with Zelda II for quite a while now and his modifications to that game are some of the best I've ever encountered.
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2022, 03:40:18 pm »
Very interesting
What would be the best way to get notified when there is a development progress?

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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2022, 06:10:55 am »
amo este juego, para cuando habra nueva infomacion?

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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2022, 06:15:55 pm »
This looks amazing. Will this work with Zelda 2 redix. I highly recommend it since redux fixes and streamlines a lot of things.
Possibly yes. Right now there are no rom hacks applied. It wouldn't be difficult to have it work with the Redux version.

I played the Demo version of this game. I honestly did not like it. It's too far different from the source material and it feels like another game entirely. For instance, the sword slashes feel and look like sword slashes from the SNES Aladdin game....it's just not Zelda II or Zelda at all really. I would recommend playing the original Zelda Remastered as a template. That remaster is incredible. It keeps the source game virtually completely intact. However, it does build off of previous hacks done and updates graphical quality...otherwise it's the same game.

When one tries to completely remake a game, you run the risk of making the game entirely different from what players are used to and that may not bode well with most players of Zelda II at a base level. It would feel far to foreign from the original Zelda II which is how I felt with that demo. Some things look great though...specifically the backrounds.

If I could suggest anything I would listen to ShadowOne333's comments and suggestions most importantly, because he's done some incredible work with Zelda II for quite a while now and his modifications to that game are some of the best I've ever encountered.
Thank you for the feedback it's much appreciated. I can see where you are coming from as there are quite a lot of UI changes and other mechanical changes which does alter the feel of the game. I like to imagine it as a modernization as if it were an indie game, as most people don't like the original game overall in general. As for the sword animation that it how it is in the original game, we are looking into adding more frames for the animations to smooth everything out.

Very interesting
What would be the best way to get notified when there is a development progress?
You can join our discord or the Mesen HD pack discord for updates.

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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2022, 06:52:24 pm »
For the logo, might I suggest something along the lines of this? "The Adventure of Link" was always meant to be the main logo, and in the style of the series logo, as seen on the box art.

« Last Edit: January 24, 2022, 04:55:54 pm by DarkLink1996 »