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How should Super Mario Bros 1 backgrounds look?

Darker like the NES game
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Re: Super Mario All-Stars Redrawn ( SMB2 Demo now available in OP )
« Reply #520 on: October 28, 2020, 12:03:18 am »
I was mostly going to change the sky color and the color of the hills on the ground level.  But you do raise a good point.  There's really no point in altering just one of the background tilesets to help differentiate it from Lost Levels if I don't do the same for all the other background tilesets... so maybe i'll just scrap the whole idea and leave the backgrounds the way they are, but I'd still like to make the skies more purple-ish like the NES game.
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« Reply #521 on: October 28, 2020, 02:30:27 pm »
Yo! I so happened to stumble upon this while searching for the other patches that are already on the site! Very well done!
Do you have a Twitter account so people can follow the project, and get an idea when a release will come? I will GLADLY play this!

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« Reply #522 on: October 28, 2020, 05:55:58 pm »
I'd still like to make the skies more purple-ish like the NES game.

That could be a good idea. Darken the skies for SMB1 to make it feel like the original, and keep the skies brighter in Lost Levels, since the NES nostalgia isn't as strong for non-Japanese players. The sky alone would be enough for a substantial difference in backgrounds.

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Re: Super Mario All-Stars Redrawn ( SMB2 Demo now available in OP )
« Reply #523 on: October 29, 2020, 12:06:26 am »
Yo! I so happened to stumble upon this while searching for the other patches that are already on the site! Very well done!
Do you have a Twitter account so people can follow the project, and get an idea when a release will come? I will GLADLY play this!

I almost never talk about the hack on Twitter so unless you're interested in my dumb opinions on video games and movies or pictures of collectible nerd crap there's really no incentive to follow my Twitter. All my progress updates are posted here almost exclusively.

I actually did post two short videos on Twitter though... using my phone camera...

https://twitter.com/thirsty_pocket/status/1305974546042777600?s=19

https://twitter.com/thirsty_pocket/status/1305978607739654144?s=19

But as I said anything about the hack almost never appears on my Twitter.
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Re: Super Mario All-Stars Redrawn ( SMB2 Demo now available in OP )
« Reply #524 on: October 30, 2020, 01:04:12 am »
Hi pocket. Here is my input regarding colors. I have a calibrated Sony PVM 20L5 CRT. The RGB colors from the SNES are 100% accurate, which means my NES has accurate colors in composite as well. I made my own NES palette (for the system, not the game), which is more accurate than some of the gross palettes out there. I've spent many hours calibrating my own palette against my PVM. Below you will find a screenshot of my palette from an emulator (Nestopia). My sky may be slightly off, but I will continue finishing my palette in the next few days to assure accurate colors in the palette, but this screenshot is in the right ballpark (very close if not already 100% right).

(Mostly) Accurate sky and bricks from my palette:
 

There has been a lot of contention about the color of the sky with some saying it is more purple than blue, etc. As you can see from my palette, it is an interesting shade between purple and blue. An interview with Miyamoto backs this up as he said they went for a more purplish sky at the time. The bricks are also a lot darker than people realize. The palette BMF_final2 is pretty close to my own but not right for many games. I would upload my own palette, but I still want to fine-tune it to the smallest degree before uploading in case people send it around.

Here are some other comparisons that show how off emulator palettes can be because the NES doesn't output pure RGB:

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« Reply #525 on: October 30, 2020, 11:43:37 am »
Will you make a thread here about your custom palette?
I'd like to try it out myself when it's done.

I would like to mention though, that these issues with emulator palettes also has to do with the fact the exact colors vary somewhat between different CRT manufacturers which just complicates things further.

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« Reply #526 on: October 30, 2020, 05:36:00 pm »
I've heard from a few people that a CRT calibrated to Black IRE 0 vs 7.5 can shift some of the hues, being more colorful at 7.5 base. Mario Maker though has a purple-like lavender sky from what I can remember.

Is vivid blue sky only a Sony CRT thing?

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« Reply #527 on: November 15, 2020, 11:36:49 pm »
Sorry for the long silence, i'm still trying to avoid bumping this thread when I've got nothing to update. I'm still waiting on Darksamus99's build script and MetalWario's SMB1 sprites so I've still nothing to share. But I did want to talk about something. As you know, this project was originally conceived with the goal simply to make the game more accurate to the artwork.
Well, some brand new artwork for SMB1 was recently made for the new Super Mario Bros. Game & Watch, and rather than being the usual red overalls with a blue shirt, Mario and Luigi's color pallets were actually based on their sprites in the game.



Obviously this is a retcon or just a nod to the sprite's color scheme, but it did remind me of something I had been thinking about even before these new images came to light.

The secondary goal of this hack was also to make things a bit closer to the NES game, at least in ways that I don't personally find to be a downgrade like the flat color backgrounds of SMB3 just for the sake of adding the shadows. So, while I want to avoid making too many "alternate" versions of this hack, I did consider an alt using the colors based on the art. This is just a mockup, but Mario and Luigi in SMB1 would look something like this:

I suppose NES color pallet for Luigi is basically this game's "Fire Luigi", so the solution there would be to just make both Fire Mario and Fire Luigi both red and white... or if we're going with NES color scheme, that super pale orange color.   
If I do this, I don't think i'd be satisfied just stopping at Mario and Luigi, I'd make Peach a Brunette again, give the Bros. their Black overalls in SMB3, make Bowser bald again in SMB1+TLL, and revert Koopaling colors back to the default.  This is, of course, just a theoretical alternate version of the hack that I wouldn't even think of working on until the regular version is finished.

On a side note, this post gives away just what's left to do on my Lost Levels sprites for the Bros. Super Mario and Super Luigi are finished. But there's still some small sprites that I need to work on, and i'm really not sure if i'm satisfied with the direction i've taken them. They look so much like Super Mario World sprites and I've always hated SMW's sprites.
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Re: Super Mario All-Stars Redrawn ( SMB2 Demo now available in OP )
« Reply #528 on: November 16, 2020, 01:02:50 am »
I think that would make a great alternate patch.
Though, I personally think I wouldn't use one as extensive as you describe.
But having it makes it easier to customize it to my liking after the fact.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2020, 09:33:44 pm by Vanya »

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« Reply #529 on: November 16, 2020, 03:01:44 am »
Last thing I heard, DarkSamus hasn't been active for a long while.

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« Reply #530 on: November 16, 2020, 04:39:40 am »
No, I'm still active. My time is just very limited now due to worsening, long-term health issues. Romhacking is one of my few pleasures in life, so I just have to take things slower these days.

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Re: Super Mario All-Stars Redrawn ( SMB2 Demo now available in OP )
« Reply #531 on: November 16, 2020, 05:27:44 am »
Sorry for the long silence, i'm still trying to avoid bumping this thread when I've got nothing to update. I'm still waiting on Darksamus99's build script and MetalWario's SMB1 sprites so I've still nothing to share. But I did want to talk about something. As you know, this project was originally conceived with the goal simply to make the game more accurate to the artwork.
Well, some brand new artwork for SMB1 was recently made for the new Super Mario Bros. Game & Watch, and rather than being the usual red overalls with a blue shirt, Mario and Luigi's color pallets were actually based on their sprites in the game.



Obviously this is a retcon or just a nod to the sprite's color scheme, but it did remind me of something I had been thinking about even before these new images came to light.

The secondary goal of this hack was also to make things a bit closer to the NES game, at least in ways that I don't personally find to be a downgrade like the flat color backgrounds of SMB3 just for the sake of adding the shadows. So, while I want to avoid making too many "alternate" versions of this hack, I did consider an alt using the colors based on the art. This is just a mockup, but Mario and Luigi in SMB1 would look something like this:

I suppose NES color pallet for Luigi is basically this game's "Fire Luigi", so the solution there would be to just make both Fire Mario and Fire Luigi both red and white... or if we're going with NES color scheme, that super pale orange color.   
If I do this, I don't think i'd be satisfied just stopping at Mario and Luigi, I'd make Peach a Brunette again, give the Bros. their Black overalls in SMB3, make Bowser bald again in SMB1+TLL, and revert Koopaling colors back to the default.  This is, of course, just a theoretical alternate version of the hack that I wouldn't even think of working on until the regular version is finished.

On a side note, this post gives away just what's left to do on my Lost Levels sprites for the Bros. Super Mario and Super Luigi are finished. But there's still some small sprites that I need to work on, and i'm really not sure if i'm satisfied with the direction i've taken them. They look so much like Super Mario World sprites and I've always hated SMW's sprites.

Have you condisered the posibility of use the Luigi's sprite of Super Mario Bros DX version of Game Boy Color? I think that the original color of Luigi in the Nes version was a mistake of design or programming; so then Nintendo fixed this in the original planning of colors in the Game Boy Color version.

Here one pic of Luigi color:



PD: Excuse mi english

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Re: Super Mario All-Stars Redrawn ( SMB2 Demo now available in OP )
« Reply #532 on: November 16, 2020, 05:54:15 am »
No, I'm still active. My time is just very limited now due to worsening, long-term health issues. Romhacking is one of my few pleasures in life, so I just have to take things slower these days.
Man... :(

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« Reply #533 on: November 19, 2020, 07:28:27 pm »
Sorry for not being as active here as I was. As of right now, I'm working on unused SMB1 sprites. I love the sprites that were done so far. Can't wait for the final release.

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And... here they are. After hearing you were done with the Super Mario and Luigi sprites, I ended up editing them to make them unused (for Small Mario, I ended up redrawing from scratch)
https://imgur.com/a/W6YTkdU
« Last Edit: November 19, 2020, 08:10:29 pm by Justamariofan »

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Re: Super Mario All-Stars Redrawn ( SMB2 Demo now available in OP )
« Reply #534 on: November 23, 2020, 05:34:29 am »
Sorry for not being as active here as I was. As of right now, I'm working on unused SMB1 sprites. I love the sprites that were done so far. Can't wait for the final release.

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And... here they are. After hearing you were done with the Super Mario and Luigi sprites, I ended up editing them to make them unused (for Small Mario, I ended up redrawing from scratch)
https://imgur.com/a/W6YTkdU
I don't recall saying I was done, just that I nearly am. You can see what's left to be done on my mockups with the NES colors ( but in case you don't feel like scrolling back up, it's Mario's death sprite, his small swimming sprites, Luigi's death sprite, and all of small Luigi except for idle. And I'm not sure I like how the small sprites look. ) In any case those are still just my Lost Levels sprites, Metal Wario 64 is doing the SMB1 sprites, I believe he was trying to capture the walk cycle from the NES more accurately.

As for the unused sprites, that's a nice effort but if they're unused, what can I do with them exactly? I'm not sure how they would have been used in the original game, and I'm not really sure how to do anything other than edit existing sprites and the occasional color pallet.

Have you condisered the posibility of use the Luigi's sprite of Super Mario Bros DX version of Game Boy Color? I think that the original color of Luigi in the Nes version was a mistake of design or programming; so then Nintendo fixed this in the original planning of colors in the Game Boy Color version.

Here one pic of Luigi color:



PD: Excuse mi english

I don't think there is much nostalgia for Green and Brown Luigi, even if it is a mistake, and Nintendo seem to be sticking with their guns on Green and White Luigi as the default for SMB1 if the Game & Watch and merchandise depictions are anything to go by. Also the Wii Shop Channel download screen ( if anyone remembers that ), I am interested in hearing if there's a source to the original Luigi colors being a mistake though. I always thought something was fishy. But even if true, I'll be sticking with NES colors for that optional patch.

No, I'm still active. My time is just very limited now due to worsening, long-term health issues. Romhacking is one of my few pleasures in life, so I just have to take things slower these days.

Take all the time you need, no pressure, and I hope things start looking better. I greatly appreciate everything you've contributed already, I probably would have given up on this if you didn't teach me how to edit color pallets so I owe it to you that i've even made it this far.
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Re: Super Mario All-Stars Redrawn ( SMB2 Demo now available in OP )
« Reply #535 on: November 25, 2020, 02:43:50 pm »
I don't know if you have started on any SMB3 sheets, but I have done a World Map Mario and Luigi concept. Feel free to use, that is, if you'd like to
https://imgur.com/CckodTS

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Re: Super Mario All-Stars Redrawn ( SMB2 Demo now available in OP )
« Reply #536 on: November 26, 2020, 01:38:33 am »
I don't know if you have started on any SMB3 sheets, but I have done a World Map Mario and Luigi concept. Feel free to use, that is, if you'd like to
https://imgur.com/CckodTS
Those actually are really nice. And coincidentally I haven't done the overworld map stuff yet. I may just use these, Thanks. I will still be using the default colors for the game though, most I'd be changing for default SMB3 is maybe making the blue in the overalls more vibrant.
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