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It occurred to me that...

The news of 'Smart-Glasses' as an upcoming technological development means that a new window of opportunity is open for fan translations! Using your phone camera and augmented reality to translate various text in printed books has already been demonstrated. This could even mean the death of the patch as we know it, because translators will be able to make custom patches to recognize various fonts, dialogues, and even graphics like title cards. A multitude of other things will now be available to users of all languages! This is actually amazing, when you think about it! What do you guys have to say about this? You could even enable it on some TVs with this kind of technology, so no glasses needed, but imagine what could be done!

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Re: Smartglasses may open a new window of opportunity for fan translations
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 09:43:38 am »
demonstrated.
There tends to be an immense gulf between "demonstrated" and "available in a useful, practical embodiment".  It's hard enough to get decent OCR, let alone decent machine translation.

So, no, we are most certainly not looking at "the death of the patch as we know it".
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Re: Smartglasses may open a new window of opportunity for fan translations
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 09:52:05 am »
Not to mention it'd be so literal that smart glasses would probably spawn more memes than translations.

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Re: Smartglasses may open a new window of opportunity for fan translations
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 11:26:59 am »
I echo the sentiments already expressed. Try using OCR on a SNES RPG with machine translation and see if you enjoy the results. Unless you mean it'll recognise specific images that you specify and replace them, which sounds like more trouble than it's worth. Also, wouldn't everyone have to be wearing these things if a group is watching?

Smart glasses with Google instant transmission may be just about acceptable with restaurant menus and the like, but no, we're not going to be replacing human translators, or the act of hacking a game to other languages. Not yet, anyway.

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Re: Smartglasses may open a new window of opportunity for fan translations
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 05:10:10 pm »
Combining real time OCR of substandard images with machine translation? What could go wrong.

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Re: Smartglasses may open a new window of opportunity for fan translations
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2017, 06:51:15 pm »
I'm not really talking about machine Google Translate type stuff, but loaded files that are created by a team and customized to recognize certain points of the game and give them accurate translations. So, in a sense, it's kind of like a patch, but you won't need to use an IPS to modify the data.

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Re: Smartglasses may open a new window of opportunity for fan translations
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 07:38:06 pm »
I tried OCR on Branmarker and the results were funny, but not particularly useful to people who want to know why the Princess is a frog and also locked in the pantry.
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Re: Smartglasses may open a new window of opportunity for fan translations
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2017, 11:11:28 pm »
I'm not really talking about machine Google Translate type stuff, but loaded files that are created by a team and customized to recognize certain points of the game and give them accurate translations. So, in a sense, it's kind of like a patch, but you won't need to use an IPS to modify the data.
Well, you would hardly need glasses for that.  You could use a sort of custom emulator that recognizes screens (or particular ROM accesses) and displays translated text appropriately, without having to alter the ROM.

People could do that already with LUA scripts in certain emulators if they wanted to, if I'm not mistaken, but it does not appear to have ever caught on.  A number of concerns come to mind: it ties the translation to a particular emulator, which might not be portable to different operating systems.  It eliminates the possibility of using the translation on the original hardware.  And if you're going to go through the trouble of dumping a game's script already, the additional hacking to put a translation back in isn't necessarily much of a stretch.
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Re: Smartglasses may open a new window of opportunity for fan translations
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 02:26:23 am »
I'm not really talking about machine Google Translate type stuff, but loaded files that are created by a team and customized to recognize certain points of the game and give them accurate translations. So, in a sense, it's kind of like a patch, but you won't need to use an IPS to modify the data.

I got that, but there's a problem with that. How does it recognise that point? From a screenshot? So you need screenshots of every part of the entire game? If not that then how? Jorpho summarised it pretty well: once you've got the text dumped, it's not so much more trouble to get it in the ROM. Besides, part of the fun of ROM hacking is making a Japanese game as if it was officially released in the West, with the same limitations.

I guess I'd need to know more about how these glasses are supposed to recognise the text.

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Re: Smartglasses may open a new window of opportunity for fan translations
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 03:23:08 am »
ahem, while we're at it, let me add that...
SOON AI WILL MAKE ROM TRANSLATIONS OBSOLETE AND WILL TAKE ALL THE TRANSLATORS' JOBS!!1!!1!!

LOL at all these idiotic marketing stunts disguised as pseudotechological advances.

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Re: Smartglasses may open a new window of opportunity for fan translations
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 12:10:12 pm »
Well, you would hardly need glasses for that.  You could use a sort of custom emulator that recognizes screens (or particular ROM accesses) and displays translated text appropriately, without having to alter the ROM.

People could do that already with LUA scripts in certain emulators if they wanted to, if I'm not mistaken, but it does not appear to have ever caught on.  A number of concerns come to mind: it ties the translation to a particular emulator, which might not be portable to different operating systems.  It eliminates the possibility of using the translation on the original hardware.  And if you're going to go through the trouble of dumping a game's script already, the additional hacking to put a translation back in isn't necessarily much of a stretch.

Sounds like the SNES9x mod Tomato has been working on and used in his streams (though I think he only used it for Super Mario RPG, he might have been using his own program before) to play a game in English while displaying Japanese text in another window. Though that required him to dump both scripts.
I think he planned to release it eventually but he's busy right now writing a book on his Final Fantasy IV Google translation, I think.
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