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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #100 on: April 12, 2014, 01:12:44 pm »
I should also note the GB/GBC used 5V where the GBA and DS were 3.3v (the GBA has a switch inside the slot). Now the DS does have a 5V battery but going purely on cart support it would have also mandated 5V handling inside the DS which is extra aggro.

I guess they could have made their own flash cart or something at this point but that is probably getting silly.

Also I am not sure if this is what Jorpho meant but the colour conversion on the GBA were also not the best for the GB/GBC, http://nocash.emubase.de/pandocs.htm#lcdcolorpalettescgbonly .
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #101 on: April 12, 2014, 01:20:31 pm »
Or just, you know-

Not take out the five cent voltage switch.
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #102 on: April 13, 2014, 02:51:30 am »
Also I am not sure if this is what Jorpho meant but the colour conversion on the GBA were also not the best for the GB/GBC
In regards to the Game Boy Pocket – the original, early black-and-white revision of the original Game Boy – Nintendo reportedly used a slightly different version of the Z80, which was enough to cause sound effects in certain obscure games to play wrongly.  I'm just saying that it seems an inability to be scrupulously faithful to the original hardware might not have played much of a part when they were considering backwards compatibility.

(The Game Boy Player for the Gamecube does contain actual GBA hardware, doesn't it?)
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #103 on: April 13, 2014, 09:24:20 am »
Yes, it does. The GC is basically used as a boot loader and a video/audio output.
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #104 on: April 13, 2014, 01:54:36 pm »
In regards to the Game Boy Pocket – the original, early black-and-white revision of the original Game Boy – Nintendo reportedly used a slightly different version of the Z80, which was enough to cause sound effects in certain obscure games to play wrongly.  I'm just saying that it seems an inability to be scrupulously faithful to the original hardware might not have played much of a part when they were considering backwards compatibility.

(The Game Boy Player for the Gamecube does contain actual GBA hardware, doesn't it?)

Not reportedly, the GB does use a modified Z80 asm which they changed to 100% pure Z80 for the GBC. IIRC, the NES contained a modified 6502 ASM set as well.

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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #105 on: April 19, 2014, 10:32:25 am »
Here is another video that suggest another reason for the Wii U failure.
It might be wrong but it's an interesting theory. ^^

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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #106 on: April 19, 2014, 11:47:36 am »
Not reportedly, the GB does use a modified Z80 asm which they changed to 100% pure Z80 for the GBC. IIRC, the NES contained a modified 6502 ASM set as well.
They couldn't have switched the CPU (and with it, the instruction set) in the GBC, or they'd have broken backwards-compatibility.
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #107 on: May 02, 2014, 03:08:29 pm »
meanwhile, the Wii is still the best selling console of last generation, while the Wii U still has more sales than Xbox One. The Xbox One must be doomed to bankrupt all of microsoft forever..... yeah.
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #108 on: May 02, 2014, 04:44:10 pm »
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Not reportedly, the GB does use a modified Z80 asm which they changed to 100% pure Z80 for the GBC. IIRC, the NES contained a modified 6502 ASM set as well.
Only a single wire was suppressed from an original 6502. (to disable decimal mode, which is anyway mostly useless)

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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #109 on: May 03, 2014, 07:46:45 pm »
while the Wii U still has more sales than Xbox One.
Holy cow, really?  I hadn't heard that one before.  That's pretty terrible.
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #110 on: May 03, 2014, 07:54:01 pm »
To be fair, the Xbone's been out for six months.
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #111 on: May 04, 2014, 02:36:33 am »
meanwhile, the Wii is still the best selling console of last generation, while the Wii U still has more sales than Xbox One. The Xbox One must be doomed to bankrupt all of microsoft forever..... yeah.

The Wii U is now as old as the Dreamcast was in the US when it was cancelled by Sega. And at that point the DC sold much more than the Wii U has sold so far... That seems like a much better comparison considering the XBone was just released...
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #112 on: May 04, 2014, 01:19:36 pm »
Somewhat shocking that a Nintendo console could utterly flop like that. All it takes is one bad decision, I guess.
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #113 on: May 04, 2014, 04:03:54 pm »
Well, the gamecube apparently sold 21.74 million systems... So it's not impossible. The GC did make a profit, but it had cheaper hardware(I still don't get how the Wii U is being sold for a loss. My guess is Nintendo did not make very good manufacturing deals).
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #115 on: May 07, 2014, 09:53:21 am »
I can't be the only one who saw this coming.

I mean, seriously.

Nintendo releases a console a decade out of date, with no GameCube backwards compatibility, barely any first party titles, almost no third party support (or even an attempt at it) and then tries to charge an exorbitant price for it?

And their strategy, when consumers aren't biting, is to punish 3DS owners by putting GBA games (which logically should be on a handheld and NOT on a console) onto the Wii U Virtual Console.
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #116 on: May 07, 2014, 03:45:43 pm »
I highly doubt GC backwards compatibility is a major part of why it's selling so bad. It has Wii backwards compatibility, which for most people is much more worthwhile.

The main issue is Nintendo tried to make a Wii 2. they tried to sell it based solely off of the controller again(Despite their PR statements saying otherwise), and that was not enough.
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #117 on: May 07, 2014, 05:03:31 pm »
So what? Do they make another console now and try to cater to their fanbase some more? Is this the end of Nintendo? I highly doubt it. Nintendo hasn't been a major player in consoles for the last 30 years for nothing.
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #118 on: May 07, 2014, 05:15:08 pm »
So what? Do they make another console now and try to cater to their fanbase some more?

If only.

They'll do fitness accessoires to make some more money on the side. And maybe they'll throw another Mario game on the market every two years to shut up the fanboys.

What I don't understand is how Nintendo can make a loss that big at all. The Wii U is being sold at a loss or so I heard, but not that much. One or two games sold for the system and they are even again. Their games aren't 100 million budgets like GTA or CoD. Donkey Kong Country certainly didn't cost 100 million. Where do they lose all that money? What are they spending it on?
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Re: Nintendo Admits Wii U Is A Flop? Interesting...
« Reply #119 on: May 07, 2014, 08:33:56 pm »
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"which for most people is much more worthwhile."

Perhaps.

However-

It's a matter of bits and pieces, each one of which creates an incentive/disincentive to purchase the console. On my end, if I buy something that wants to replace the Wii, I want it to do EVERYTHING that my Wii does so I don't have to shove another unit into my gaming cabinet, and I have far more GameCube games than I do Wii games. Titles like Twin Snakes, Eternal Darkness, Second Sight, Smash Bros Melee, StarFox Assault, Crystal Chronicles,  REMake 0, ReMake 1, MegaMan AC, GC Twilight Princess, the Zelda AC and the original Wind Waker still look great to me and get regular play on my system.
By removing GameCube BC, it's a chip in a long list of cracks the Wii U possesses that create a disincentive for purchase.

Do I enjoy the few Wii-specific games I have? Of course. I own XenoBlade, Last Story, RE4: Wii Edition, Silent Hill Shattered Memories and the Prime Trilogy Collectors Edition.  But that small list of Wii titles pales in comparison to the full library of games existent in my gaming cabinet. The list of Wii U specific titles that are worth buying is so much smaller still, that to be perfectly honest buying the console would be in essence paying $300 for a less capable console than I have now.

You can say to yourself "Well, I don't use this, so it doesn't matter"- but if there's one example of someone who isn't buying the system for any particular reason, it stands to reason that there are many, many more.
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