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Rodimus Primal

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Rodimus, you might want to update one of your patches: http://slickproductions.org/forum/index.php?topic=2046.0

Interesting. So it wasn't working properly. I'm going to have to apply the reverse of course and apply the new. Before I do so, is there anything else that anyone has found that needs fixing?

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That l33tch3ck3r dude keeps adding new ones so who knows. >.<

Take a look at the new ones.

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13375K31C43R is Leet Sketcher btw. their name on slick is actually spelled in leet which is why you may notve recognized it lol
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That l33tch3ck3r dude keeps adding new ones so who knows. >.<

Take a look at the new ones.
They've all been GBA patch additions lately up until now, that's the main to-do list.  Usually the best way to keep track of this stuff is on Slick; RHDN update lists will talk about it too, but they're usually only a quick briefing.

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So I spent a few days trying to figure out how to record video of gameplay at 720p/60fps so I could upload some videos of the opera in the MSU-1 mod, before finally giving up on various emulator's built-in video recorders, and got pointed to OBS Studio by Insidious.

A few hours playing with the settings and practicing my google-fu to get everything recording and encoded properly, and I come to share the boon of my labor.

View at 720p/60 to listen without an audio fidelity decrease from Youtube's re-encoding, text is the updated opera text from TWUE 2.0:

Final Fantasy VI Original Sound Version Remastered album's version of the Opera:
https://youtu.be/TCyd8STWwtE
This is currently included in the Dancing Mad MSU-1 mod under the OST listing.
There's a slight fidelity increase, but overall you might as well use the SPC audio, it sounds the same.

Game Music Concert 4's version of the Opera:
https://youtu.be/4xo5oQWjXP8
This is the one currently included in the Dancing Mad MSU-1 mod under the OTH listing.

The Black Mages' version of the Opera:
https://youtu.be/pqk7bKMCPj8
https://mega.nz/#!KJRGVKKK!7z_LdxBntuB7EoXA2Z42dN-XO8eokvWH8Ny9PkuUPsY
This is probably my favorite version of the opera for multiple reasons.
-The narration is voiced, although it's too fast to be matched up to the on-screen lyrics.
-When racing to Ultros, the battle between Ralse and Draco, complete with spoken dialog, continues.
-The Black Mages is led by the lead music designer from FFVI.
-First version of the Opera to ever be released in its entirety, allowing fans to find out how it was supposed to end if Ultros/Setzer didn't interfere.
-Electric Guitar. Enough said.

More Friends: Music from Final Fantasy album's version of the Opera:
https://youtu.be/aM407Oxzsew
https://mega.nz/#!nYREHQTL!FuvrBjtOhUOChpa8KeAonCukCRtYG9NZzNu0uDPBsIE
-English.

Distant Worlds version of the Opera:
https://youtu.be/dIn5t4TGv3w
https://mega.nz/#!CUR2iLRb!X2H5KQVbq6_dqGmE6KveKvf_UGNfVVRYAUYezdjjRw0
-English.


Get the Dancing Mad MSU-1 mod:
https://github.com/Insidious611/DancingMadFF6/releases

@Rodimus: I did some work on a few of the (non-voiced) tracks in the More Friends album, and things are considerably better than the version I posted a few days ago, so you'll want the one I linked to in this post instead.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2018, 04:01:30 am by edale »

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So I spent a few days trying to figure out how to record video of gameplay at 720p/60fps so I could upload some videos of the opera in the MSU-1 mod, before finally giving up on various emulator's built-in video recorders, and got pointed to OBS Studio by Insidious.

A few hours playing with the settings and practicing my google-fu to get everything recording and encoded properly, and I come to share the boon of my labor.

View at 720p/60 to listen without an audio fidelity decrease from Youtube's re-encoding, text is the updated opera text from TWUE 2.0:

Final Fantasy VI Original Sound Version Remastered album's version of the Opera:
https://youtu.be/TCyd8STWwtE
This is currently included in the Dancing Mad MSU-1 mod under the OST listing.
There's a slight fidelity increase, but overall you might as well use the SPC audio, it sounds the same.

Game Music Concert 4's version of the Opera:
https://youtu.be/4xo5oQWjXP8
This is the one currently included in the Dancing Mad MSU-1 mod under the OTH listing.

The Black Mages' version of the Opera:
https://youtu.be/pqk7bKMCPj8
https://mega.nz/#!KJRGVKKK!7z_LdxBntuB7EoXA2Z42dN-XO8eokvWH8Ny9PkuUPsY
This is probably my favorite version of the opera for multiple reasons.
-The narration is voiced, although it's too fast to be matched up to the on-screen lyrics.
-When racing to Ultros, the battle between Ralse and Draco, complete with spoken dialog, continues.
-The Black Mages is led by the lead music designer from FFVI.
-First version of the Opera to ever be released in its entirety, allowing fans to find out how it was supposed to end if Ultros/Setzer didn't interfere.
-Electric Guitar. Enough said.

More Friends: Music from Final Fantasy album's version of the Opera:
https://youtu.be/aM407Oxzsew
https://mega.nz/#!nYREHQTL!FuvrBjtOhUOChpa8KeAonCukCRtYG9NZzNu0uDPBsIE
-English.


Get the Dancing Mad MSU-1 mod:
https://github.com/Insidious611/DancingMadFF6/releases

@Rodimus: I did some work on a few of the (non-voiced) tracks in the More Friends album, and things are considerably better than the version I posted a few days ago, so you'll want the one I linked to in this post instead.

Dang. The only thing that stinks is the mix of old lyrics with new doesn't quite match. Amazing performances for sure though.

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Dang. The only thing that stinks is the mix of old lyrics with new doesn't quite match. Amazing performances for sure though.
Hopefully when I get around to converting the Distant World's English version it'll match up better... Really need to get around to doing that... *procrastination resumes*

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Remember what I said about procrastination? Yea... about that...

Distant Worlds version of the Opera:
https://youtu.be/dIn5t4TGv3w
https://mega.nz/#!CUR2iLRb!X2H5KQVbq6_dqGmE6KveKvf_UGNfVVRYAUYezdjjRw0
-English.

Funny thing, about 5 minutes after posting that I was working on the Opera, lol.

Yes, it actually took around 7 hours of work to finish, I wasn't taking breaks.

And with that, I've converted every professionally done voiced version of the opera I'm aware of (I won't touch the Balance and Ruin remix album's version with a 10-foot pole, as far as inclusion in the actual game goes, NOTHING matches up).

If anyone knows of another performance of the FULL Opera (not just the Aria) that I haven't converted, let me know.

@Rodimus sadly, it seems the lyrics are the same as the More Friends version.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2018, 04:00:09 am by edale »

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The ONLY thing I can think to do is alter the Updated Opera patches to match these English versions for the purpose of matching the MSU-1 mod.  This way anyone using the English language tracks can have them matched up better. That in addition to updating the Zombie/Rippler patch.

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The ONLY thing I can think to do is alter the Updated Opera patches to match these English versions for the purpose of matching the MSU-1 mod.  This way anyone using the English language tracks can have them matched up better. That in addition to updating the Zombie/Rippler patch.
I'd personally do some research to find out where this translation came from before altering the Updated Opera lyrics you have. Is it from one of the non-SNES/GBA releases (such as the PS1 release), or an original interpretation?

Personally, I think both the Japanese version (The Black Mages / Game Music Concert 4's) are superior performances (from a purely musical standpoint) to the 2 english ones (although, pair up the Maria from More Friends version and the Draco and orchestra from the Distant World's version, and that new version might compete), so I'm not that invested in changing things to make the English parts all match, because the Japanese ones already do, lol.

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I actually found a recording of a live performance of Draco and Maria from 2012 in English re-scored by Nobuo Uematsu himself, so it doesn't get much more of an official translation than that. It even included vocalized narration. Sadly, it looks like it was recorded on someone's phone in the audience, so quality isn't near good enough for me to want to convert it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gZN_Utaqls

Lyrics match both English versions I've converted already, so I'd say that's confirmation that it's an official translation, and not a stylistic choice by the directors of those performances.

Up to you if you want to change the lyrics in-game to match, but finding out Nobou Uematsu was involved in the retranslation of the lyrics has me leaning towards 'yes'. Then again, that does take the patch a little away from your goal/theme of having it match the GBA version as much as possible.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRLEg4aQOSg
You know... I want to say some people have way too much time on their hands, but then I realize how much time I've spent working on the Opera alone, let alone the rest of the mod's audio...

And it is kinda awesome.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 11:41:06 pm by edale »

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I'd personally do some research to find out where this translation came from before altering the Updated Opera lyrics you have. Is it from one of the non-SNES/GBA releases (such as the PS1 release), or an original interpretation?

Personally, I think both the Japanese version (The Black Mages / Game Music Concert 4's) are superior performances (from a purely musical standpoint) to the 2 english ones (although, pair up the Maria from More Friends version and the Draco and orchestra from the Distant World's version, and that new version might compete), so I'm not that invested in changing things to make the English parts all match, because the Japanese ones already do, lol.

March 20, 2018, 11:24:38 pm - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
I actually found a recording of a live performance of Draco and Maria from 2012 in English re-scored by Nobuo Uematsu himself, so it doesn't get much more of an official translation than that. It even included vocalized narration. Sadly, it looks like it was recorded on someone's phone in the audience, so quality isn't near good enough for me to want to convert it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gZN_Utaqls

Lyrics match both English versions I've converted already, so I'd say that's confirmation that it's an official translation, and not a stylistic choice by the directors of those performances.

Up to you if you want to change the lyrics in-game to match, but finding out Nobou Uematsu was involved in the retranslation of the lyrics has me leaning towards 'yes'. Then again, that does take the patch a little away from your goal/theme of having it match the GBA version as much as possible.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRLEg4aQOSg
You know... I want to say some people have way too much time on their hands, but then I realize how much time I've spent working on the Opera alone, let alone the rest of the mod's audio...

And it is kinda awesome.

To be honest, I'm not completely attached to the GBA translation specifically. Since the live performances use lyrics slightly different (yet they all match), it tells me that Slattery took some liberties in his version. Little things I am definitely going to update, and then maybe a patch to fully match those English versions (to patch over any version of TWUE). 

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Forgive me if this is a stupid question or I'm just plain doing it wrong, but I patched the original FFVI rom (Final Fantasy VI.smc) with the latest patch (2.0, newer opera, bug-fixes and add-ons), and now am trying to play it on my homebrew Wii.

I say "trying" because every time I select the rom from the menu, it fades to a black screen and goes no further. I can think of four things that could be causing this:

1) The ROM was corrupted to begin with.

2) I applied the patch incorrectly and corrupted the ROM.

3) The ROM has nothing wrong with it and instead it's the console/emulator (SNES9x GX, if you're wondering)

or 4) The patch itself is corrupted.

Given that I didn't see any immediate "OOPS" messages on the messageboard, I'm going to assume it's not the last option. Could someone help me out here?

UPDATE

I just patched it to a completely new ROM, this time with the same results. I applied the recommended patch (bugfixes + add-ons + opera), just like before. The console still operates, allowing me to pull up the menu screen and exit the rom itself, so that rules out issues with the emulator (I believe. I'm not sure, I'm still a relative noob to this.)

I didn't have this issue when patching a fresh ROM of FFVI with 1.96, so I'm not sure what it could be that's causing this issue. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2018, 05:10:24 am by Lasciel »

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could it perhaps be a header issue? try using tush https://www.romhacking.net/utilities/608/

if there's a header, remove it. if there is no header, add one. then apply the patch
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One of two things could be wrong. Either you are using a headered ROM, like vivify93 above said, or you are using the wrong version of the game. TWUE is based on version 1.0 of the US release of Final Fantasy III, as that is the version 99 percent of hacks for the game were made for. It cannot be the Japanese Super Famicom FFVI, nor the US version 1.1.

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One of two things could be wrong. Either you are using a headered ROM, like vivify93 above said, or you are using the wrong version of the game. TWUE is based on version 1.0 of the US release of Final Fantasy III, as that is the version 99 percent of hacks for the game were made for. It cannot be the Japanese Super Famicom FFVI, nor the US version 1.1.

Ok, so that seems to clear up the second ROM I patched. I took a look at the file and it seems it's the US 1.1 version. (Usually this is the part where I would rant about why the hell is there even a 1.1 version to begin with, but I digress.) I'll see about obtaining a 1.0 copy of the ROM and patch that, then get back to you.

Thanks for the clarification!

UPDATE

Ok, so it seems that that was the issue. Thanks again Rodimus!
« Last Edit: March 23, 2018, 05:17:32 pm by Lasciel »

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(Usually this is the part where I would rant about why the hell is there even a 1.1 version to begin with, but I digress.)
the 1.1 ROM was Square's attempt at fixing the sketch bug IIRC.

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Do you think Condensed Spell List is compatible with this? Really makes the spell list a lot better for me.

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Do you think Condensed Spell List is compatible with this? Really makes the spell list a lot better for me.

According to Patch Checker, it says it is 100% compatible. I've not yet tested it though.

the 1.1 ROM was Square's attempt at fixing the sketch bug IIRC.

That and I think a couple of other things too, but I could be wrong. I do know that even the vanilla TWUE fixes the Sketch bug as well, since it is game breaking.

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A slight change is being made to the Dancing Mad MSU-1 mod, changing RAM address usage from $1E20 - $1E26 to $1E30-$1E36 to fix a compatibility issue with the Brave New World mod.

@Rodimus Primal Do you know if RAM addresses $1E30-$1E36 are used by the Ted Woolsey patch at all? I'd hate for that fix to break compatibility with this mod.

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A slight change is being made to the Dancing Mad MSU-1 mod, changing RAM address usage from $1E20 - $1E26 to $1E30-$1E36 to fix a compatibility issue with the Brave New World mod.

@Rodimus Primal Do you know if RAM addresses $1E30-$1E36 are used by the Ted Woolsey patch at all? I'd hate for that fix to break compatibility with this mod.

I'm not sure. I don't believe so to be honest unless a bug fix is using it. Also, I will have a version 2.01 up in a day or so which fixes a few typos.

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Okay guys. Version 2.01 has been submitted. This updates the Zombie/Rippler patch in the bug fix versions and corrects typos that were found during a live stream on Twitch.

Okay guys! Version 2.01 is now live!
« Last Edit: May 16, 2018, 09:21:51 pm by Rodimus Primal »

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Did you end up updating the Opera lyrics to match the English performances?