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Phaedron777

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Bugs bugs and more bugs
« on: December 05, 2011, 12:54:04 pm »
Ever feel singled out because you do your best and even after checking everything thoroughly there are problems?
Ever make a last minute change to a hack that inadvertently made it unplayable?
Ever feel like you just can't win?

Well it happens sometimes, as it has with my project, final phantasy star: http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/855/

The funny thing is that games do make it with bugs despite insane efforts. Final Fantasy was made by a full cast of programmers and still contained many
numerous and important bugs that made many of the spells and battle related features completely useless. The ironic thing here is that I have corrected all of those problems, but in doing so there are a couple of things which can't be helped, like little swords on the title, xp appearing where lv 8 spell should on magic screen in world, little stuff like that. At least these
do not affect anything important.

Its irritating that no matter how hard I try I'm always going to miss something and wind up embarassing myself somewhere. So I have to remind myself, even 100 people doing their best doesn't guarantee absolute perfection. Nevertheless it sucks and is embarassing and never fails to generate reviews that ignore the 99% that is good and focus on the 1% that cannot be helped. To make matters worse I had to upload a new version because after my playthough I changed one stupid chest that made it unplayable (in the very beginning fortunately) because an npc doesn't give you a certain quest item properly as I had assumed.

I couldn't even get the readme file to look what I wanted. That's mainly because what I see in text on notepad is different from what it looks like online, therefore it is impossible to format the tabs, lines, spaces, and page breaks the way I would prefer, and most of the info is copied from tables in works.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2011, 01:19:53 pm by Phaedron777 »

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Re: Bugs bugs and more bugs
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2011, 01:27:54 pm »
You have to remember that with bugs, the users that don't care as much about them are infinitely less vocal about it than the ones who do, and the ones who do are the minority, so in general most people will be happy with your efforts :)

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Re: Bugs bugs and more bugs
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2011, 02:32:10 pm »
True, I hadn't thought of that.

But the good news is that I have proof I have recieved an unfair review full of lies:

Klaviaturist said something about finishing dungeons and blocked warp tiles, which is absolutely false. Prior to the problem I had to fix it would have been impossible to even get to any dungeons because you don't get the quest item needed to continue. Surely his review would have mentioned it is impossible to continue after a certain point if he had encountered this problem and bypassed it with a cheat. Therefore he really just made stuff up, because he saw there were other bugs he could take advantage of.

Battles fading away like chaos is always a bold faced lie, there was never happened once. Not on the FCEUX emulator at the very least. Again he makes the review as if he beat the game when it was impossible to even get past the very beginning and if he gotten to where he noticed he didn't have the canoe he would have surely included that in the review if he knew about it. He mentions a lot of lies and fails to mention the one problem that was true. Maybe thats why it had to happen this way. So that he would be exposed.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2011, 03:05:29 pm by Phaedron777 »

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Re: Bugs bugs and more bugs
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 03:34:32 am »
When you run into technical limits or you just don't have the know-how to do/fix a given thing, that's perfectly understandable. Of course everyone wants their stuff to look professional, but that's not always possible for whatever reason.

In any event, it's a pretty cool concept, and I hope the fun of making it outweighs whatever headache/ball breaking you've gotten since release.

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Re: Bugs bugs and more bugs
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 08:09:17 am »
I do not agree with that train of thoughts, although I can understand the rationale. I'm the kind of person who goes by a philosophy of excellence, and anything less is unacceptable. I say: do it right, or don't do it at all...

If you think you know enough to hack a title screen and change it to something nice, exempt of glitches, then do it. If you can't, I would rather see the plain original one, without any buffs. If you have enough skill to change the AI of an enemy or create one from scratch without a bug, hats off. But if you don't, I'd be glad to be able to play a well-crafted game with original level designs...

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Re: Bugs bugs and more bugs
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 09:18:57 am »
Wow, I'm glad the majority of software developers don't have your train of thought, otherwise nothing would get released! :P A product with minor bugs is better than no product at all

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Re: Bugs bugs and more bugs
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 09:51:03 am »
Ever feel singled out because you do your best and even after checking everything thoroughly there are problems?
Ever make a last minute change to a hack that inadvertently made it unplayable?
Ever feel like you just can't win?

Well it happens sometimes, as it has with my project

I know how it goes, but at least you released a project. My hacks or translations make me feel like a cow trying to understand quantum physics, and I'm pretty sure a real cow would beat me on that too :/

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Re: Bugs bugs and more bugs
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 11:05:42 am »
Remember that some of the bug are not your fault.
It depends on where/how you play your game.
My work in progress hack is working ok in the emulator but it freeze on the real hardware.
Some games just need special things like timing (as example) from the way they are programmed so maybe they work on one emulator but not with another.
I suggest that you maybe read this and maybe you will feel better :p

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Re: Bugs bugs and more bugs
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 08:36:29 pm »
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I'm always going to miss something and wind up embarassing myself somewhere.
Why should it embarrass you? Finding bugs means you can patch them up if you want to. There's nothing really negative about it...!

You might be the only one causing you to feel embarrassed, :(