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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2011, 06:36:53 pm »
I'd like to add my vote to the "Not being able to single-target with the first level spells is lame" candidate.
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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #61 on: March 01, 2011, 07:00:05 pm »
I'd like to add (as I thought at first that maybe it was just really bad luck) that I too noticed a problem with accuracy. Sometimes (and this is everywhere, not just in one particular area or against one particular mob) I can swing at an enemy 5 or 6 times before I even manage to hit them. I figure it might be intentional though, as a way to make things slightly more difficult without simply making the enemies able to two-hit KO you or something. But maybe not? Missing quite that many times is very frustrating. I'd prefer a little more accuracy and let the enemies have a 10-25% attack boost or something, if I have to pick between the two.

I do like that it's basically required to do a little grinding. Sometimes cruising through a game (for the story) is nice, but having to grind here and there helps you to stop and appreciate things a lot more. Granted, we aren't talking 7th Saga grinding here (a game I loved as a young kid, but definitely appreciated more when I got an emulator and discovered the fast forward command... LOL), but it's just enough to make things good. Just wanted to mention that, since so far I think the rebalancing has been well done. We'll see if that continues as the game goes on.

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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #62 on: March 01, 2011, 08:20:34 pm »
Some more little stuff,

Draco's last line in the opera is missing, the one that should come before Ralse says "have at you"

The auction house is giving out the wrong items I think, I bought a mana anklet and it gave me an experience egg instead.  The other thing I bought I think was called a protect cloak and it gave me a kuku's charm instead, both those have no stats or description.

The armory in Thamasa is giving away free stuff too, but I guess there's no need to fix that right away.

Also out of curiosity, is there a hidden use for Pandora's charm?  The stats on it are mostly terrible, and the 5 magic can be gotten elsewhere.  Was there supposed to be another dungeon? I didn't come across it.

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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #63 on: March 01, 2011, 08:50:16 pm »
most of the complaints about missing too much etc. can be addressed by focusing on those stats that make you more agile than your opponents. It no longer pays to focus solely on strength.

I think the general consensus is. "My characters suck too much (at the beginning of the game)" this could be rebalanced to a degree, but there is something about having to learn some strategies vs just dominating everything at first. If you're forced to learn simple strategy early on it can be applied in more difficult areas later.

Some of the things aren't really a matter of strategy, but just your characters stats are lacking. I still think that there is a positive of having a character that is insufficient at first and you power them up and mold them into what you need. I really like how Tina isn't a God character anymore, and is weaker and suitable as a mage with good MP.
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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #64 on: March 01, 2011, 09:27:31 pm »
I don't know, after you get Edgar, the game was not much harder than the original. After Locke gets Eagle Eye and a long-range weapon, he is as efficient as he was in FFVI, but without the Eagle Eye (Sniper Sight).
You can't exactly focus on stats, whatever they are, when you don't even have Espers; the bonus you get from equipment does not improve the hit rate much, and you can only sacrifice so much defence (Ribbon is unusable, btw).

I have just finished the demo, my strongest char was Lv17 and I never found the game difficult at any point -- I mean too difficult, the difficulty is rather well balanced without power leveling once.

When I get unlazy, I'll host pics and report the bugs, typos and mistakes I have seen ;s

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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #65 on: March 01, 2011, 09:56:19 pm »
Ok, problem identified. Fixing the Returner's Hideout location name was definitely the culprit. When I assembled that in, it made a code changed I forgot to account for, which the center tag code does better. Long story short, the center tag code was being overwritten, causing an infinite loop in the location name display. Any area that can display a name will hang the game. A patch will be released in an hour or so.


Patch has been updated.

where is it hosted? all I see is Demo 2b on slickproductions, shouldn't it be Demo 2c now?
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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #66 on: March 01, 2011, 10:23:19 pm »
and you can only sacrifice so much defence (Ribbon is unusable, btw).
The data disagrees with you. Check it's properties. ^_^

where is it hosted? all I see is Demo 2b on slickproductions, shouldn't it be Demo 2c now?
No, 2b is the latest patch. 2a was the broken one.

The auction house is giving out the wrong items I think, I bought a mana anklet and it gave me an experience egg instead.  The other thing I bought I think was called a protect cloak and it gave me a kuku's charm instead, both those have no stats or description.
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Also out of curiosity, is there a hidden use for Pandora's charm?
It's one of two accessories you can get from Banon. It serves no other purpose other than for Terra to equip it.

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Was there supposed to be another dungeon? I didn't come across it.
Yeah, we hid it pretty well. Try talking to some people in the Dev Room.


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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2011, 01:06:11 am »
I'd like to add my vote to the "Not being able to single-target with the first level spells is lame" candidate.

 :P

I think I've tried to explain this to you on IRC for the reasoning of it...

FF4 (as a reference) had battle scripts that allowed monsters to run in the case "if alone" or "if only enemy group left". There is some merit to writing battle scripts that behave in that manner.

Besides, it is too hard to kill monsters that are not elemental friendly?  :P

Although... there should be some sort of compensation for doing this... (thinking along the lines of Bahamut Lagoon and elemental magic to kill targets).
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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2011, 01:42:02 am »
the problem is if you have two monsters who are weak to fire, but the other gets healed by fire spells. So now to attack the two, you are healing the one. After you get Fira this wouldn't be as much of a problem but it still is a problem.
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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #69 on: March 02, 2011, 07:42:40 am »
The data disagrees with you. Check its properties. ^_^
Prevents all ailments? Teaches Esuna? I doubt I've missed something big about it, it's a helmet which prevents all ailments at the cost of 0 defence, 0 magic defence, etc.


Anyway, here come the snapshots with some of the errors and mistakes I have found:

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb01.png
'the faster your gauge will fill'

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb02.png
'If your skin is ashen'

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb03.png
'after all the pain, he chooses you as successor'

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb04.png
'It's time I killed you!'

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb05.png
'The force is strong with this ring.'
Although, if that is a clear reference to Star Wars, Force should start with a capital F.

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb06.png
Wrapping, I suppose (only tested with font #1).

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb07.png and http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb08.png
'sandals'
Hermes' and Hermes's are both correct, but it would be better to use one consistently (Hermes's from the chest, Hermes' from the item list).

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb09.png
The map does not account for this geographical alteration.

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb10.png
The name of the dark sword Dark is glitched in a weird way. All spaces after the 'k' from Dark will have whatever was there on the previous screen (when going up or down a screen in the item list, in this case, Poison Rod) or what was previously equipped (when changing your equipment to this sword).

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb11.png
'The sealed gate lies to the east of Vector.' You cannot have possessive genitives with anything but human beings.

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb12.png and http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb13.png
Many of Gau's Rages have 'No description available' (not that you're not aware of this) while others (Murderer in the example) have wrong descriptions, since the Rage learned from Murderer allows Gau to use the Berserk spell.

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'I am relieved'

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb15.png
'There's been enough enough loss of life.' is a very clumsy sentence. Not to mention that really does not go well with the speech expected from an emperor.
'There have been enough lives lost'. or simply 'Enough lives have been lost.' are much more correct to use here.

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'or he intends to wipe them out quickly.'

http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb17.png
'So do I...' or 'As I do...'. 'As do I' is not English at all.


Thank you for this demo, I'm way too eager to play the final product, now ;s

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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #70 on: March 02, 2011, 08:18:30 am »
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'So do I...' or 'As I do...'. 'As do I' is not English at all.
I can find plenty of examples in print going all the way back to Chaucer that would suggest otherwise. :thumbsup:
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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #71 on: March 02, 2011, 08:20:24 am »
Prevents all ailments? Teaches Esuna? I doubt I've missed something big about it, it's a helmet which prevents all ailments at the cost of 0 defence, 0 magic defence, etc.
Getting protection from all ailments should come with a price. 0 defense and 0 magic defense fit that perfectly. Otherwise it's too good.

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'The force is strong with this ring.'
Although, if that is a clear reference to Star Wars, Force should start with a capital F.
The way it is currently, George Lucas can't sue us. :P Noted.

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Wrapping, I suppose (only tested with font #1).
After a report the other day about an apostrophe during the Opera, I've come to the conclusion that the name tag needs a tweak so text wraps if there's still letters it needs to print (as opposed to a space).

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'sandals'
Hermes' and Hermes's are both correct, but it would be better to use one consistently (Hermes's from the chest, Hermes' from the item list).
Good catch.

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The map does not account for this geographical alteration.
Currently, only Yousei's map editor allows for editing of the minimap. We're not using that editor, and I'm not sure how to edit that data.

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http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb10.png
The name of the dark sword Dark is glitched in a weird way. All spaces after the 'k' from Dark will have whatever was there on the previous screen (when going up or down a screen in the item list, in this case, Poison Rod) or what was previously equipped (when changing your equipment to this sword).
When a space isn't a space. Fixed.

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http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb12.png and http://keffypoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/vganime/ffvipb13.png
Many of Gau's Rages have 'No description available' (not that you're not aware of this) while others (Murderer in the example) have wrong descriptions, since the Rage learned from Murderer allows Gau to use the Berserk spell.
Ooooh, nice catch.

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Thank you for this demo, I'm way too eager to play the final product, now ;s
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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #72 on: March 02, 2011, 09:33:46 am »


I can find plenty of examples in print going all the way back to Chaucer that would suggest otherwise.
Conformity replies are only grammatically acceptable if they do not start another clause. Using 'as' means you are comparing (i.e. not conforming), therefore using two clauses, even if one is elliptical. Consequently, you cannot reverse the word order of the subject and the auxiliary verb when you use 'as'.

'Lisa loves pizzas.'
'As I do.'
->
'Lisa loves pizzas as I do.'

That would not be possible with 'so' or 'neither', because 'so' and 'neither' are not used to compare the subject of the second clause to the subject of the first clause, but they are used to conform to it.

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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #73 on: March 02, 2011, 06:59:54 pm »
Conformity replies are only grammatically acceptable if they do not start another clause. Using 'as' means you are comparing (i.e. not conforming), therefore using two clauses, even if one is elliptical. Consequently, you cannot reverse the word order of the subject and the auxiliary verb when you use 'as'.

'Lisa loves pizzas.'
'As I do.'
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'Lisa loves pizzas as I do.'
The logic is valid as far as I can tell, but it is not at all sound, because the conclusion does not reflect English usage, modern or not (plenty of creaky old examples right here; same source notes that Fowler found it distasteful to use with personal pronouns, but bluh on him). Both inverted and non-inverted forms are to be found after “than” or “as” in modern parlance (a fact omitted from many less-than-comprehensive grammar books, including yours, apparently). The inverted form is considered more formal and sounds a bit stuffier, so it may be on its way out in the future, but a quick few Google News queries shows that at least journalists and bloggers are still using it on a regular basis.

Moreover, in certain applications, such as the one you singled out, the phrase “As do I” (synonymous with “So do I”) is much more common than “As I do” (synonymous with “Like I do”). I can write a wallotext on why the latter sounds awkward, but the reasons don’t involve much in the way of grammar—in fact, the reasons are highly illogical.
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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #74 on: March 02, 2011, 09:53:46 pm »
Judging by the posts so far, it's safe to say nobody has found either Super Boss™ yet. Disappointing... :'(


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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #75 on: March 02, 2011, 10:15:28 pm »
And that would be just the motivation everybody needs to find it now... lol. Which reminds me, I should probably download that updated patch and play with that instead. I gotta get back to the game and grind a bit so I can safely get through that mountain and get Sabin. Yeah, I'm pathetically behind 95% of the people who have downloaded this patch, I know... lol. Damn work and being stuck on that first revised patch set me back... :'(

To be honest, only being able to target all mobs with those basic elemental spells has kinda grown on me. It's unusual, but at least it keeps you thinking... lol.

Deathlike2, your reference to Bahamut Lagoon has just made me love you a little bit more now... :D It's surprising how few people have actually play that amazing game. I think after finishing this demo patch, I will go back and play that game again, just because it's been a couple years now since I last played it, and you mentioning it has suddenly made me miss it.

Edit: Not complaining, but is it intended for many mobs to run away at least half the time? And what's the EXP loss for that (I know it's not full, because I've seen all mobs run away and still get decent EXP for it)?
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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #76 on: March 03, 2011, 12:37:53 pm »
Mobs weaker than you are will tend to run away because, hey, you're stronger than they are. :p

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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2011, 02:13:48 pm »
That is the FF1 effect IIRC. I don't know how it is coded in the hack, but even a simple check of enemy level < party avg level can allow for such behavior (probably written as some sort of FC command).
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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #78 on: March 03, 2011, 06:47:36 pm »
And what's the EXP loss for that
You can't get experience from them if all they do is run. :happy:


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Re: ROM Hacks: Pandora's Box sees the light of day once again
« Reply #79 on: March 04, 2011, 10:00:38 am »
Played through the hack, it was quite fun  :)

Fought Ted Woolsely.  He was pretty damn hard.  Took me about 5 or so tries to beat him.  Also had a very strange encounter on the plains outside of Vector.  I wasn't sure if this one was a bug or not.  The fight was against a vanished magitek armor.  Fought it for awhile and it seemed to run out of mp.  It also summoned two airforce armors like you fight on the way to the floating continent.  They also ran out of mp and the fight seemed to go on forever.  They just sat there without mp failing spell castings and i couldn't seem to diminish all of their hit points.  I eventually just reloaded and never seen them again.  Kind of curious how that fight is actually supposed to pan out.

Edit:  I also didn't find the secret dungeon but I didn't look too hard either.  Also, I was wondering how learning magic is supposed to work.  With some characters I had no problems getting them to learn spells.  Others just didn't seem to earn any AP no matter how long they carried the espers.
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