you seem to take much pride in your imperfection, is this why you pious types cling to your vices like the fate of the world depended on them? I'd say there's not much dragging you down, apart from yourself. to fall, one has to be elevated first. and your excuse (the Lord will cleanse my sins anyway) is really cheap.
Sheesh, dude. You don't know me, so I don't know where that came from. I don't take pride in my imperfection at all. Knowing one cannot be perfect, yet still working hard to try to be better is a good ways away from what you're claiming about me and others in the faith. Paul rhetorically asks, should we sin more so that grace may more abound? The answer is no! And as a Christian, what am I supposed
to say? That I can cleanse my own
sins away? I'm not operating under any sort of assumption that, hey, I can do whatever I want to here on this Earth, and God magically gives me a get-out-of-hell-free card. It doesn't work that way, and if someone lives as if there is no change in their life, then one has to question whether they really wish to follow Christ at all.
history supports the ideas of those who write it. but I'm not sure what exactly seems out-of-order in the western civilisation. the secularisation of the modern society? or globalisation perhaps?
My point is that Western civilization, as we have it now, is a cultural oddity in a good
way. It is remarkably less violent and ugly than the other periods that have been documented in human history. And if history supports the ideas of those who write it, then our past is very, very ugly indeed.
And I know a lot of folks will deny this today, but the roots of Western civilization lie within the Judeo-Christian philosophy. Warts and all, because even with the Word, we're only human. Again lending to my original supposition that, from a Christian point of view, we're still broken.
If you knew me at all, you would know that I don't even come close
to being a "pious" type. Those people make my blood boil. If you come across a legitimate example of such, you have my full permission to direct your ire at them just as you have mistakenly done so at me. And if you still believe me to be a pious type, then there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise, and you are clearly dragging in preconceptions that I cannot rationally argue against.
Someone else want to get us back on track?