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Title: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: nintendo_nerd85 on January 18, 2020, 10:15:43 pm
Was that necessary? A game that's been in Japanese for so long and then gets removed from the site? Seems like kind of a stupid move, no?
Thankfully someone had the decency to upload it to his Google Drive, but come on, I thought this site was more open to major news like
the translation of an obscure game.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: PowerPanda on January 18, 2020, 10:58:56 pm
It may have been an unintentional mishap. Looks like both Itadaki Street and Star Ocean: Blue Sphere share the same page and ID # (5337)
http://www.romhacking.net/translations/5337/

Mods?
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: nintendo_nerd85 on January 18, 2020, 11:20:55 pm
It may have been an unintentional mishap. Looks like both Itadaki Street and Star Ocean: Blue Sphere share the same page and ID # (5337)
http://www.romhacking.net/translations/5337/

Mods?

Some allege it was due to the ROM hack not being complete, but it was removed without reason and I don't think it's a very judicious decision IMO. Indeed it's baffling.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: Special on January 19, 2020, 12:39:14 am
Some allege it was due to the ROM hack not being complete, but it was removed without reason and I don't think it's a very judicious decision IMO. Indeed it's baffling.

Considering there are a ton of unfinished, incomplete, barely functional and even broken hacks/translation already on the site and still here, I doubt it was removed for this reason.

EDIT: Guess it's this?

(https://i.imgur.com/gnV3wxf.png)
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: nintendo_nerd85 on January 19, 2020, 01:27:13 am
Considering there are a ton of unfinished, incomplete, barely functional and even broken hacks/translation already on the site and still here, I doubt it was removed for this reason.

EDIT: Guess it's this?

(https://i.imgur.com/gnV3wxf.png)
shortcuts: hit alt+s to submit/post or alt+p to preview

Who knows? Either way, people are saying it's not 100%, no one has properly explained anything really
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: mz on January 19, 2020, 01:48:41 am
It is my private translation that was stolen and distributed without my permission. No one should owe you any kind of explanation...

In any case, it is not finished. It's extremely buggy and with an extremely shitty text.

If a moron wants to upload it to a shitty website for other morons to suffer it, it's up to them. RHDN seems to be a more decent place than those other websites you visit.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: tc on January 19, 2020, 02:26:46 am
I think it's too late to sweep under the rug. Bootleggers are already duping people by selling cartridges without disclosing where the translation originated or any bugs it has.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: cccmar on January 19, 2020, 04:03:42 am
No point in uploading a buggy translation that's unfinished, on top of all things, there are too many unfinished translations already (most of them are pretty old though). The same thing happened with Mizzurna Falls not so long ago. That game would routinely crash, not to mention that the script wasn't fully done.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: nintendo_nerd85 on January 19, 2020, 10:49:45 am
It is my private translation that was stolen and distributed without my permission. No one should owe you any kind of explanation...

In any case, it is not finished. It's extremely buggy and with an extremely shitty text.

If a moron wants to upload it to a shitty website for other morons to suffer it, it's up to them. RHDN seems to be a more decent place than those other websites you visit.

Oy vey, no need to make a federal case out of it. Nor is it necessary to be so condescending about it. I suppose it's true, no one and I mean no one, should ever be trusted. Take my word for it, always be cynical towards everyone you meet, never trust anyone, sound good?  :huh:  :-X

Yeah, I get it, it sucks to have things leak, but what's done is done. Unless you want people to invent a time machine and go back and un-leak what's been leaked. That'll work I'm sure.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: tc on January 19, 2020, 02:36:16 pm
Oy vey, no need to make a federal case out of it. Nor is it necessary to be so condescending about it. I suppose it's true, no one and I mean no one, should ever be trusted. Take my word for it, always be cynical towards everyone you meet, never trust anyone, sound good?  :huh:  :-X

Yeah, I get it, it sucks to have things leak, but what's done is done. Unless you want people to invent a time machine and go back and un-leak what's been leaked. That'll work I'm sure.

People are so quick to pass judgment, at that. I've seen allegations a repro seller commissioned this translation.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: MathUser2929 on January 19, 2020, 02:38:53 pm
I thought this was drx's incomplete star ocean protype. He was asked not to release it because someone had a complete rom.. They had the complete rom I think. Far as I know he didn't oppose it.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: Jones on January 19, 2020, 02:54:15 pm
It is my private translation that was stolen and distributed without my permission. No one should owe you any kind of explanation...

In any case, it is not finished. It's extremely buggy and with an extremely shitty text.

If a moron wants to upload it to a shitty website for other morons to suffer it, it's up to them. RHDN seems to be a more decent place than those other websites you visit.

 You're the one who made English translations for 2 Choro games and a Full Metal Alchemist GBA one. I enjoyed every one of them so thank you very much! Really appreciate it.
 I'm sorry for what happened, unfortunately there's nothing else to do once it's reached the web. I hope there's not any sensible data leaked too, that would be much more troublesome to deal with.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: tc on January 19, 2020, 03:21:59 pm
You're the one who made English translations for 2 Choro games and a Full Metal Alchemist GBA one. I enjoyed every one of them so thank you very much! Really appreciate it.
 I'm sorry for what happened, unfortunately there's nothing else to do once it's reached the web. I hope there's not any sensible data leaked too, that would be much more troublesome to deal with.

Neat. I vaguely recall liking the GBA Choro games quite a while ago.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: PowerPanda on January 19, 2020, 08:22:09 pm
If a moron wants to upload it to a shitty website for other morons to suffer it, it's up to them. RHDN seems to be a more decent place than those other websites you visit.

RHDN is a great website, and a lot of patches have been uploaded here purely for preservation's sake. I guess just feel honored that someone wanted to preserve your unfinished hack? A lot of unfinished hacks get put up here, just in case someone wants to finish your work further down the road. Now that we know it's an active project though, I look forward to your full release. You should upload it here when done!
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: Kallisto on January 20, 2020, 07:50:06 am
The chances of this happening seems really low, why was mz targeted? Doesn't seem random at all. It sucks it got put out there like that, but once people start playing it they'll realize how badly tuned it is for right now.

Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: nintendo_nerd85 on January 20, 2020, 09:08:22 am
The chances of this happening seems really low, why was mz targeted? Doesn't seem random at all. It sucks it got put out there like that, but once people start playing it they'll realize how badly tuned it is for right now.

Being a bit negative, aren't we?
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: lastdual on January 20, 2020, 12:07:13 pm
RHDN obviously made the right call in honoring mz's takedown request.

I was one of those who downloaded it here and starting playing before discovering that it was a leaked translation. I've decided to hold off in anticipation of a completed release, although I am somewhat curious as to whether the leaked file is in an unfinished-but-very-playable state (a la Fire Emblem 4's Project Naga beta) or just a mess. Still, not curious enough to invest time only to discover the latter.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: Kallisto on January 20, 2020, 02:34:19 pm
No, unless you mean what I said about his romhack.  He did say it was buggy and incomplete earlier in this thread, so optimistically despite the leak that this little stunt by whoever did it won't matter much.

The real thing will come out when it is ready, I rather play something that is actually in a completed state than something that isn't ready anyway.

@nintendo_nerd85
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: Recca on January 21, 2020, 07:34:40 pm
Forgive me, but what exactly gives you the right to be upset that your translation was leaked? You're selling repro carts with a fan translation for $50-$60 a pop. Last time I checked, selling someone else's copyrighted material is piracy, which is illegal. And now you're upset that you pirates got your patch leaked. Well, that's just karma. Your selfish actions may spell doom to the entire romhacking community if the video game corporations decide to take action upon on all of us. You should all be reported to the authorities for this.

How many fan translators have provided free quality patches without making a single cent off of them for all these years? And now you come along and try to make profits off a game that you don't even legally own. You'll never see such behavior from Dynamic-Designs. We work hard to release our translations without even asking for donations, unlike AGTP. This is because we have a little something called "honor". If you want money, get a job like the rest of us and stop trying to make profits off of piracy. Romhacking/translating is a hobby and nothing more. If you don't do it for free, then don't do it at all. You're making us all look bad. If you want to get paid for translating games, then get a real job as a translator. Don't be a bloody internet pirate for profit.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: Isao Kronos on January 21, 2020, 07:37:55 pm
mz's translation was stolen for the repros afaik

so your entire post basically holds no water
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: Recca on January 21, 2020, 08:00:07 pm
Except for the fact that they're selling their translations instead of offering them for free. Please explain to me what makes their translations worth more than those of any other? Not to mention the fact that they don't own the rights to Star Ocean: Blue Sphere. Why should they be making money off of this and on one else? Did Dejap make money off of their translations? Does Dynamic-Designs or any other decent translation group make any money from piracy? Did the French and Spanish translators of this game make any money at all? No, I rest my case.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: Gideon Zhi on January 21, 2020, 08:04:37 pm
We work hard to release our translations without even asking for donations, unlike AGTP. This is because we have a little something called "honor".

Excuse me? The only time I ever actually *asked* for donations was when had been out of work for half a year, had $10 to my name, and was about to miss rent. The button's there because people kept asking for ways to donate, and even then, I make sure people know that any money that gets donated is treated *purely* as a gesture of gratitude, not as some kind of payment. The button is basically window dressing at this point - even in good years it doesn't bring in enough cover even one month's worth of my student loan payments. I bust my ass on a daily basis at the office, moonlight as a contractor during off hours, and spend my hour-long (each direction) bus commutes and sacrifice my lunches so I can continue to romhack in what passes for my very limited free time.

But all that's beside the point. I take extreme umbrage in the insinuation that I'm trying to profit off of piracy. I've been trying to pivot AGTP into a business for over a decade now, but through all the proper legal channels. If all I wanted to do was turn a quick buck I'd be selling repro carts like the rest of the scum. But no - I've sold exactly five translations in those ten years. Two of those were commissioned from scratch (you can now preorder Metal Storm from Castlemania; LRG has already gone through their production run) and where possible (four out of five) the translators got paid or are in the process of getting paid for their work. All were to folks who legitimately hold the legal rights to publish (or republish) the games.

"Get a real job?" I have two. And anyone with "honor" wouldn't insult me by insinuating that I didn't have any.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: Recca on January 21, 2020, 08:12:56 pm
I wasn't trying to insult you in any way. By "get a real job", I was talking to the internet repro cart pirates. I also didn't mean to say that asking for donations is wrong or anything, I was only trying to boast a bit about D-D not accepting any. By the way, I live alone and work two jobs as well. After rent and bill payments, I hardly have any money left over for food. I usually eat nothing more than cheap rice with tuna cans and bread. I've had the same pair of shoes for over ten years now. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. I was talking about illegal pirates on the web, not you personally or any other translation group. I believe that there's been some misunderstanding here. I should have said that "we don't even accept donations like AGTP". Again, as a small boast, not an insult.

Although, I will say that I've heard some rumors on reddit and a few other sites a while back about AGTP selling repro carts and such. I certainly hope that these rumors aren't true... Maybe someone was just using your name?
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: tc on January 21, 2020, 08:20:39 pm
Frankly I can't imagine fan translation paying the bills. For the game company it's free publicity. And the inevitable pirates get another project to steal.

Any half decent translator (or programmer, graphics artist...) has a world of better career opportunities than spending years hacking away at old video games.
Title: Re: Taking down the Star Ocean Blue Sphere hack, really?
Post by: Gideon Zhi on January 21, 2020, 08:43:27 pm
Although, I will say that I've heard some rumors on reddit and a few other sites a while back about AGTP selling repro carts and such. I certainly hope that these rumors aren't true... Maybe someone were just using your name?

I've worked on five pieces of translated software that were officially licensed from their IP holders by a reputable publisher:

Magical Drop 1 and 2 are available on the Data East Classics Collection. MD2 was translated by TheMajinZenki, who was paid for his work.
Dark Lord is available on the GoRetro Portable AIO device. Shih Tzu on translation; am in the process of paying.
Metal Storm was commissioned and was available for purchase from Limited Run Games, is still available for preorder at Castlemania Games, and is available through several European distributors. Translation by TheMajinZenki, reverse-engineering and script edit done by myself. No part of the existing translation was used. Zenki got paid for this too.
(unannounced) was also commissioned and is still WIP. Zenki translated this as well, and will be paid directly out of my cut when it arrives. I don't know if this has been announced officially yet so I'm not going to say much more about it.

All five were commissioned by Retro-Bit Entertainment, who acquired the rights to republish the games from Data East (Magical Drop and Dark Lord) and Irem (Metal Storm.) All legal and above board. I've also done some small modifications to half a dozen or so other titles for another retro publisher/IP holder. I have a portfolio website put together for the business which I'll share when I'm ready, but I'm still in the process of desiging a logo for it. This is a good reminder that I need to file its Q4 taxes.

Beyond those, any reproductions of AGTP's stuff are done strictly without my endorsement and against my expressed wishes. I don't make any money from those, nor would I want to. I love romhacking and would love to be able to make a living off of it, but I have and will always refuse to do so if the legality of a given venture is up to question.

Don't believe everything you read.