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Title: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on January 11, 2019, 03:10:38 pm
So, this is my dream for many years. I already mentioned it in the Hack Ideas thread but I thought I'd give it a go.

This is how far i've got. The character select screen is ok... but gosh. Those graphics. Such a hard game to hack!

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/1b3efc8fc9e42ca6a33c3705be1dae3a/tumblr_pl6bbymHy91y1nex7o1_500.gif)




UPDATE (2019-02-21):

Unfinished DEMO 01:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/py3m8omc1u8qmlu/The%20Beatles%20-%20Pepperland%20by%20NesDraugDEMO01.ips?dl=0
Rom: Super Mario Bros. 2 (U) (PRG0) [!]

Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Orochi Kusanagi on January 11, 2019, 07:17:48 pm
Such a charming idea. I never thought I'd see a Beatles NES hack.  :)
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Teeporage777 on January 14, 2019, 04:51:04 pm
lmao so cool
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on January 14, 2019, 09:46:33 pm
What are my chances of changing all the music into beatles tunes?

I guess I have to hex edit (a lot). Will this rom map help?

https://datacrystal.romhacking.net/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros._2:ROM_map

I've never done music hacking before. But I always wanted to learn. All I know is that it's very time consuming and almost impossible.

Would I be better off hacking Super Mario All Stars? I heard music hacking is easier on the SNES.

January 15, 2019, 04:16:10 pm - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Ok. So thanks to the ROM map I managed to corrupt the music in the selection screen, main theme and subspace. I just went to the music adress and changes a bunch of numbers.

I didn’t sound like The Beatles but now I know WHERE the music is!

I guess I have to compose 8bit renditions of Beatles songs in Famitracker and somehow put in the code. Seem like a lot of work... like... months.

Anyways what songs should I try to put in?


Yellow Submarine is a must. Perhaps I'll stick to some of the songs from The Yellow Submarine Soundtrack Album.

Yellow Submarine - Main Theme
Hey Bulldog - Underground.
All you need is love - Ending.

What else?
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: jimstrom on January 15, 2019, 06:47:17 pm
"Eleanor Rigby" would be a good boss song.

And maybe "Get Back" as the choose your character song?

Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Jorpho on January 15, 2019, 09:04:01 pm
All I know is that it's very time consuming and almost impossible.

Would I be better off hacking Super Mario All Stars? I heard music hacking is easier on the SNES.
The Super Mario World music engine specifically is very well-documented at this point, but that's the only thing that makes it easier.  I think I read something once about how it's possible to force other games in SMAS+SMW to use the SMW engine instead, but that might have been random speculation.

As is often the case, if you can't find any indication that anyone has ever done this kind of music-hacking before, it is indeed going to be almost impossible.  You might want to look into that some more before you get too deep into Famitracker.

(On that note, there are surely MIDI versions of most Beetles songs floating around out there that could be adapted with some ease.)
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: chillyfeez on January 16, 2019, 01:10:45 am
I think you have to go with the Sgt. Pepper title track for the character select screen.

Personally, I'm partial to Magical Mystery Tour. Fool on the Hill, Your Mother Should Know, Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane all seem like solid choices for videogame music.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on January 16, 2019, 07:55:33 am
Ok, I've taken your suggestions into account and I think this will be a good soundtrack.

Intro - Magical Mystery Tour
Selection - Sgt. Pepper's...
Overworld - Yellow Submarine
Subspace - Penny Lane
Underworld - Hey Bulldog
Bonus Game Start - It's all too much 1
Death - It's all too much 2
Bonus Game Win - It's all too much 3
Game Over - Strawberry Fields
Star - Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)
Boss - Eleanor Rigby
Wart - Fool on the hill
Boss Beaten - Fool on the hill Outro
Ending - All You Need Is Love



Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: jimstrom on January 16, 2019, 03:27:02 pm
That is an awesome soundtrack if it can be pulled off.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Jorpho on January 17, 2019, 01:32:50 am
I forgot to mention that it is also reasonably easy to make an "MSU-1" hack in a SNES game.  Instead of reverse-engineering the whole sound engine, you just cut out the existing music entirely and insert a single instruction that says "start playing this external sound file".  (Or that's my understanding, at least.)  In fact, you could even use the original Beatles music!

But I have to admit fighting something resembling Birdo while an 8-bit version of Eleanor Rigby burbles in the background it quite appealing.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on January 17, 2019, 07:58:35 am
I found a 8-bit version of the Yellow Submarine soundtrack. Could be used for reference or inspiration.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbMDby5PMRA
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbMDby5PMRA)

Yeah, I think I want to try this on the NES.
I'm having second thoughts about the tracklist. Perhaps I should stick to the Yellow Submarine soundtrack...

Alternative 2:
Intro - With a little help from my friends
Selection - Sgt. Pepper's...
Overworld - Yellow Submarine
Subspace - Nowhere Man
Underworld - Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds (Chorus)
Bonus Game Start - It's all too much 1
Death - It's all too much 2
Bonus Game Win - It's All Too Much 3
Game Over - All Together now
Star - Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)
Boss - Eleanor Rigby
Wart - Hey Bulldog
Boss Beaten - Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds  (intro)
Ending - All You Need Is Love
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: chillyfeez on January 17, 2019, 09:46:39 am
Any plans to change the enemy sprites, too? Seems only fitting for them to be fighting Blue Meanies.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on January 17, 2019, 01:58:38 pm
Any plans to change the enemy sprites, too? Seems only fitting for them to be fighting Blue Meanies.

And lawyers.  ;D

Perhaps even the Taxman.

But in all seriousness, there should be blue meanies and perhaps... Octopuses? Submarines? 

Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: chillyfeez on January 17, 2019, 05:48:55 pm
Yoko?
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: jimstrom on January 17, 2019, 06:04:15 pm
Maybe Fryguy could be edited into the Flying Glove.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/82/7c/5e827c83ac265492dc4c9bb09c96f3c6.png

Also the Blue Meanie had a really weird army

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-e3wnSX7Ev7g/UHddN7r5BcI/AAAAAAAALtY/g9btYrJGKVU/s1600/Blue+Meanies+Vexilloids+from+the+Yellow+Submarine+intro+1986.jpg

https://www.slanted.de/sites/default/files/beitraege/941/Yellow_submarine_adventure_meanies.jpg
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Avicalendriya on January 18, 2019, 12:48:40 pm
Yoko?

Please don't!
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: RetroGameFan on January 18, 2019, 01:10:18 pm
Please don't!
Why not? Because Yoko married John Lennon?
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Avicalendriya on January 18, 2019, 01:24:11 pm
Why not? Because Yoko married John Lennon?

Because she's not in the Beatles.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: chillyfeez on January 18, 2019, 01:47:45 pm
No, I meant as one of the bosses (but I was kind of joking)
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Avicalendriya on January 18, 2019, 01:58:10 pm
No, I meant as one of the bosses (but I was kind of joking)

I figured you were, but you know, just to be safe...
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: SCD on January 18, 2019, 02:33:47 pm
For some of the bosses & enemies, here's what I came up with:

Change Mouser into Max.
Change Tryclyde into the Four-Headed Bulldog.
Change Birdo into the Apple Bonker.
Change the Shy-Guys into common Blue Meanies.
Change the Ninjis into the Butterfly Stompers.
Change the Bob-ombs into the Countdown Clowns.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Spooniest on January 18, 2019, 07:07:14 pm
Intro - "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"
Character Select - "Billy Shears" Fanfare, leading into "A Little Help From My Friends"
Stage Theme 1 - "Getting Better"
"Miss" Music - "NevahCouldBeAnyOtherWay" (The weird thing from the runoff groove)
Sub Space Theme - "Fixing A Hole"
Stage Theme 2 (Indoors) - "Within You, Without You"
Birdo Theme/Boss Theme - "Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite"
Stage Clear Fanfare - The Intro to "When I'm 64"
Bonus Stage Fanfare - The "Ahhh ahh ahh ahh" from the intro to "Lovely Rita (Meter Maid)"
Wart's Theme - "Good Morning, Good Morning"
Ending Theme A (freeing the Subcons, Contributor Viewing) - "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)"
Ending Theme B (Mario Sleeping) - "A Day In The Life"
Game Over Fanfare - The harp part at the end of "She's Leaving Home"

Did I miss anything?
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on January 24, 2019, 11:15:49 am
Intro - "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"
Character Select - "Billy Shears" Fanfare, leading into "A Little Help From My Friends"
Stage Theme 1 - "Getting Better"
"Miss" Music - "NevahCouldBeAnyOtherWay" (The weird thing from the runoff groove)
Sub Space Theme - "Fixing A Hole"
Stage Theme 2 (Indoors) - "Within You, Without You"
Birdo Theme/Boss Theme - "Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite"
Stage Clear Fanfare - The Intro to "When I'm 64"
Bonus Stage Fanfare - The "Ahhh ahh ahh ahh" from the intro to "Lovely Rita (Meter Maid)"
Wart's Theme - "Good Morning, Good Morning"
Ending Theme A (freeing the Subcons, Contributor Viewing) - "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)"
Ending Theme B (Mario Sleeping) - "A Day In The Life"
Game Over Fanfare - The harp part at the end of "She's Leaving Home"

Change Mouser into Max.
Change Tryclyde into the Four-Headed Bulldog.
Change Birdo into the Apple Bonker.
Change the Shy-Guys into common Blue Meanies.
Change the Ninjis into the Butterfly Stompers.
Change the Bob-ombs into the Countdown Clowns.

Really good ideas you guys!
I'm starting to figure out what I'm supposed to do... and how!
No, music yet. But I guess I'll have to learn. Good thing I'm a musician! I have never used Famitracker though.

I’m switching from Tile Layer Pro to Tile Molester. Boy, what a difference. Now I can actually copy and paste stuff! Sure speed things up.

Update:
- Finished the sprites for the playable characters.
- Switched characters (more like the cover of Sgt. Pepper’s)
- Started to edit enemies

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/d6e5ff9c10e799528041c66c580552a3/tumblr_plufmkWsXV1y1nex7o1_500.gif)


Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Zynk on January 25, 2019, 03:31:49 am
Just a suggestion. You really should improve that title screen, like what I did to Bowsette 2.

(https://i.imgur.com/ddJq6hy.png) (https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/nes/images/titles/4326titlescreen.png)
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on January 25, 2019, 04:06:37 am
Just a suggestion. You really should improve that title screen, like what I did to Bowsette 2.

(https://i.imgur.com/ddJq6hy.png) (https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/nes/images/titles/4326titlescreen.png)

Yeah, that's just placeholder. I haven't figured how to remap title screens yet. I actually opened up Bowsette yesterday in Tile Molester just to see what you've done. But I couldn't quite understand.

The colors aren't that great either. Let's say I made it this ugly to remember that I have to fix it. ;)

Here are the things I dont know how to fix:
- Title Screen Graphics
- Music
Any help is much appreciated. Should I post in the Help thread?


I hear some fellow called dtothefourth
released a SMB2 Editor and is apparently working on a music editor. I'll have to investigate that further.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
Edit: OMG! this is so amazing, you guys! The editor is so dope! Also the music editor for SMB2 is confirmed!

Check it out here:
http://www.dtothefourth.space/
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: dACE on January 25, 2019, 02:25:14 pm
Seems as if you got really lucky there  :)

If I were you, and really serious about following through with this hack, I would consider contacting the developer and maybe get some insight in the music format. Maybe you can help each other out?

In any case - good luck with this project.

/dACE
Title: Re: SMB2 - Titlescreen Editing
Post by: Zynk on January 26, 2019, 03:08:12 am
Here are the things I dont know how to fix:
- Title Screen Graphics
TITLE LOGO LAYOUT

0x176a   SUPER

0x17a0  TM

0x17a5   MARIO

0x17f3   BROS

0x181f  bottom part of BROS. with the period

0x1837  2

 ----
Example at 0x0176a SUPER

20CB0A0001...

20 = y-position
CB = x-position
0A = number of tiles used on that line
0001... = tiles used in the right side of the PPU viewer of FCEUX emulator.

SUPER, TM, MARIO, BROS. and 2 are laid out like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/Xaff7c9.png)
Title: Re: SMB2 - Titlescreen Editing
Post by: NesDraug on January 27, 2019, 07:46:55 pm
TITLE LOGO LAYOUT

Thank you!

How about this? :D

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/23a805899fddffc0a83ca09fd784624e/tumblr_pm0nc2vIAq1y1nex7o1_r1_640.jpg)
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: chillyfeez on January 27, 2019, 11:02:58 pm
I think that looks great!
 :beer:
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Eden.GT on January 30, 2019, 04:53:28 am
How about attempting for some patterned/textured blue instead of a solid colour whenever you get the chance?
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: altoiddealer on January 30, 2019, 02:14:02 pm
Looks great!  Nice project   :beer:
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Luccasdavid on January 31, 2019, 11:56:52 am
Frankly I am now amazed as to how nobody ever thought of this before. This is pure genius. Looking forward to it!

And please find a way to squeeze in Maxwell's Silver Hammer.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on January 31, 2019, 06:15:56 pm
How about attempting for some patterned/textured blue instead of a solid colour whenever you get the chance?

Like this?

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/f6a413940764c00d1f004385405f01ea/tumblr_pm5a04rZLB1y1nex7o1_1280.jpg)

Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Uberdubie on February 07, 2019, 04:37:55 pm
Personally I'd go with more varied and highly-vibrant colors for the title screen (better fitting of the theme imo), but the design of your latest iteration shows how wonderfully you're improving things!

Considering your dedication to the material and talent, can't wait to see where this goes from here!
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Eden.GT on February 08, 2019, 03:38:41 am
Like this?

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/f6a413940764c00d1f004385405f01ea/tumblr_pm5a04rZLB1y1nex7o1_1280.jpg)

Better!
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: RadioTails on February 15, 2019, 03:47:27 am
I made a post on how to edit the edit the SMB2 USA title screen:
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=25178.msg346354#msg346354

I should really submit that information to the website.

I hear some fellow called dtothefourth
released a SMB2 Editor and is apparently working on a music editor. I'll have to investigate that further.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
Edit: OMG! this is so amazing, you guys! The editor is so dope! Also the music editor for SMB2 is confirmed!

Check it out here:
http://www.dtothefourth.space/

I'll have to check that tool out.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on February 19, 2019, 02:29:01 pm
Ok, I've learned a whole lot during these weeks!
I'm pretty proud of the sprite editing, I think it's a good representation of The Beatles.

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/6997ef7500e08f4b1f9f483fc49a794e/tumblr_pn6r7dQhL41y1nex7o4_r1_400.png) (https://66.media.tumblr.com/0f0915e1e0ffb58193b3d42058481f64/tumblr_pn6r7dQhL41y1nex7o3_r1_400.png)
Also, the story! The Beatles are recruited to BE the Protectors of Pepperland aka Sgt. Pepper's Heart Club Band

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/a6748bd576b6f73b08ef5b25592b80cb/tumblr_pn6r7dQhL41y1nex7o2_r1_400.png)(https://66.media.tumblr.com/9d0faf05aeae98496f001cf4d60e8007/tumblr_pn6r7dQhL41y1nex7o1_400.png)

Well, I'm not finished yet. The music and a lot of graphics are still missing... aaaand custom levels would be cool. I just don't think I have the time for it anytime soon.
If anyone wants to help out, please do!

DEMO 01:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/py3m8omc1u8qmlu/The%20Beatles%20-%20Pepperland%20by%20NesDraugDEMO01.ips?dl=0

Feedback is appreciated.

This project will be put on hold until the launch of the SMB2 music editor by http://www.dtothefourth.space/
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Spooniest on February 19, 2019, 11:16:22 pm
I think it needs a rehearsal.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on February 20, 2019, 12:22:24 pm
I think it needs a rehearsal.

It needs what?


February 21, 2019, 05:10:11 am - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Seriously, I don't understand. What do you mean by rehearsal?  :D
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Spooniest on February 21, 2019, 07:16:13 pm
It needs what?


February 21, 2019, 05:10:11 am - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
Seriously, I don't understand. What do you mean by rehearsal?  :D

It is in fact a quote from John Lennon in the animated film "Yellow Submarine." Just a little joke.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Timbo on February 22, 2019, 04:51:10 am
You can't really just do the Beatles as a sprite hack. At the very least, it needs custom music.

This is such a high concept idea, it's just begging for someone to knock it out or the park.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on February 25, 2019, 05:21:26 am
You can't really just do the Beatles as a sprite hack. At the very least, it needs custom music.

Yes, I totally agree. like I said, this is not finished.
I really like to nurture this brain child of mine but I'll just have to wait until the launch of the SMB2 music editor by dtothefourth.

Unfinished DEMO 01: Deleted

Unfinished Game Version 0,26:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7l4a4lx2ir4nndh/The%20Beatles%20-%20Pepperland%20%5BSMB2%5Dv0%2C26.ips?dl=1


Rom: Super Mario Bros. 2 (U) (PRG0) [!]
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on May 24, 2019, 09:17:29 am
So,still now news on the music editor. But now I've managed to get some time to start working on level design. I got to take inspiration from the film.

There's still much to do with the graphics as well. The bosses need to be replaced with characters from Yellow Submarine.

I'll get by... with a little help from my friends.

PM me if you're interested in helping out with this project. I've started a discord and I can send you a link if you wish to help or want to see the process.
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: Jorpho on May 24, 2019, 09:30:15 am
Ok, I've learned a whole lot during these weeks!
I'm pretty proud of the sprite editing, I think it's a good representation of The Beatles.

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/6997ef7500e08f4b1f9f483fc49a794e/tumblr_pn6r7dQhL41y1nex7o4_r1_400.png) (https://66.media.tumblr.com/0f0915e1e0ffb58193b3d42058481f64/tumblr_pn6r7dQhL41y1nex7o3_r1_400.png)
A distant concern at this point, probably, but those should read "Pepper's" and "Colors".  (Possibly "Colours".  But not "Coulours".)
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: The1-uptriforce on May 24, 2019, 04:55:53 pm
BRO!!!! I LOVE THIS IDEA!!!! I love the Beatles is there anyway you can change the story to say "Once upon a time or maybe twice there was an unearthly place called pepper land 40,000 leagues beneath the sea it lay or lie I'm not too sure." also make the vegetables maybe heats or even just the word love maybe even make the levels resemble the seas they traverse in the movie my mind is overflowing with ideas right now i am really excited for this hack :woot!: :woot!: :woot!: :woot!:
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on May 26, 2019, 05:20:55 am
"Once upon a time or maybe twice there was an unearthly place called pepper land 40,000 leagues beneath the sea it lay or lie I'm not too sure." also make the vegetables maybe heats or even just the word love maybe even make the levels resemble the seas they traverse in the movie my mind is overflowing with ideas right now i am really excited for this hack :woot!: :woot!: :woot!: :woot!:

I can almost hear the narrator's voice and it would be cool to have that introduction but I can only fit so much text and I like it to explain why The Beatles are the Lonely Hearts Club Band all of a sudden.

The vegetables should change into something. Hearts maybe. Or musical instruments? 

I'd love to discuss ideas with anyone who may be interested. Like I said I could use a little help with level design, if any one's interested?

Here's my newly started discord for those who want to help or discuss the hack:
https://discord.gg/vBKeYba
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: NesDraug on September 04, 2019, 01:41:39 pm
This project is not dead but I've been super busy lately. A fellow (YoungBoy) on my Discord channel did some graphics and I reinterpreted them to fit the general style of the game. 

Will build some levels pretty soon. Anyone wanna help? Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/JQAMPpP



(https://66.media.tumblr.com/d1b61f0c7547aedb11a02f27d3553587/tumblr_pxbhxpwGOa1y1nex7o1_500.gifv)(https://66.media.tumblr.com/57b7a6db454399eb4eff5a71121bb5c0/tumblr_pxbhxpwGOa1y1nex7o2_500.gifv)


What do you guys think of the new graphics?
Title: Re: SMB2 - Super Beatles - Pepperland
Post by: MathUser2929 on September 04, 2019, 03:15:49 pm
Pretty neat. The black and white looks pretty good in this.