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Title: Underrated Games
Post by: The Best NSMB64 on January 06, 2019, 09:15:21 pm
This is a thread around (underrated games, obviously.) There are some games that I loved to play back in the day (and some that I still play.)
But some of these are EXTREMELY underrated, such as Pac-Man World 2, Pac-n-Roll, Battalion Wars, Battalion Wars 2, and Namco Museum Remix.
Most of these games are hardly even talked about (and even if they are, they will usually be done on a obscure channel that only has around 100 views on its videos.


So, what are your favorite underrated games?
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Teeporage777 on January 07, 2019, 01:22:09 am
 I really like Star Ocean second Story. seems to get a bad rap from a lot of people i meet. final Fantasy 8 is also just dogged by most people i talk to about ff games. Not exactly sure if i would consider ff8 underrated. Just going by what most people tell me. Also, Alone In The Dark The New Nightmare seems under appreciated. I guess after the enormous effect Resident Evil had on the population, it seemed to "die" away from most peoples thoughts. I play it a lot though.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: SleepyFist on January 07, 2019, 07:03:32 pm
Donkey Kong (Gameboy):
Also known as Donkey Kong 94, it's a masterpiece of unfolding game design that also made huge strides in the creation of the modern Mario moveset.

Mischief Makers (N64):
It's a game where you play as a green haired mecha-maid picking up ball people, animals and giant mecha and slamming them around like ragdolls until they die or explode, it's also from the creators of Gunstar Heroes.

Final Fantasy Legend (Gameboy)
aka Makai Toushi SaGa, the first game in the SaGa franchise, the first mobile RPG, and the inspiration for the Pokémon series, it's a bit clunky these days but it's definitely a good time.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: KingMike on January 08, 2019, 01:44:31 am
It's hard to imagine Pokemon taking inspiration from Final Fantasy Legend.
Now, Megami Tensei maybe. (if to stretch it to something more child- and casual-friendly)
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Chronosplit on January 08, 2019, 02:20:55 am
It's hard to imagine Pokemon taking inspiration from Final Fantasy Legend.
Now, Megami Tensei maybe. (if to stretch it to something more child- and casual-friendly)
I remember hearing that it was part SaGa, part Dragon Quest V, and part Mother series.  MT/SMT probably did too.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Bregalad on January 08, 2019, 05:55:33 am
Just Breed for NES/FC.
Alcahest for SNES.

Oh and Layla for NES/FC, too.

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Now, Megami Tensei maybe.
The original ? I think I tried to start an adventure for something like 10 minutes, but found it extremely boring. It looked like a huge grindfest as usual with pre-1990 JRPGs.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: NERV Agent on January 08, 2019, 06:17:10 am
Super Turrican
Mega Turrican
Super Turrican 2

These games are a "run and gun" side-scrolling games with some Metroid-esque exploration.

It's like Samus got it on with the Contra guys, and gave birth to Bren McGuire (the Turrican MC).
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Jorpho on January 08, 2019, 09:20:58 am
Final Fantasy Legend (Gameboy)
aka Makai Toushi SaGa, the first game in the SaGa franchise, the first mobile RPG, and the inspiration for the Pokémon series, it's a bit clunky these days but it's definitely a good time.
Is the Wonderswan version not a substantial improvement?

I never did finish the Nasty Dungeon in SaGa II.  Some day.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: MontyMole on January 08, 2019, 10:32:23 am
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Super Turrican
Mega Turrican
Super Turrican 2
I can remember having the C64 version of Turrican 2 on tape as a kid, it was really good, so thumbs up for that.

Kickle Cubicle NES, nice single screen puzzler from Irem, pretty much forgotten now but I did like that.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: POWCo-op on January 08, 2019, 11:25:25 am
Gotcha Force for Gamecube. It's a game where you play as toy robots fighting each other. If you liked Robo Pit for Saturn, you'll probably like this. It's different though because you're fighting multiple enemies at once.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: SleepyFist on January 08, 2019, 12:50:30 pm
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/nom/0007/taidan1/page02.htm
This is the page Wikipedia cited as the source for the SaGa-Pokémon thing, I can't read it but the gist was apparently that SaGa was the game that proved that the GB could handle RPGs not just puzzles and platformers.

As for the Wonderswan verI haven't played it but I hear that it's a pretty substantial improvement, I know they added a preview feature to monster evos so it's no longer such a pain in the ass to level them,
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: ArkthePieKing on January 08, 2019, 02:51:17 pm
Final Fantasy Legend 3. It's definitely the black sheep of the series, having a more traditional leveling, equipment, and magic system, but it did a lot of genuinely ingenious stuff that you just don't see in games. Your characters start as 2 humans, and 2 mutants, but any of them can change into beastmen, monsters, cyborgs, or robots, and there's like, 30-40 of EACH of those. It makes for some really awesome party customization. The story is completely butchered by the English translation, but the story itself is really good. Imagine a proto-Chrono Trigger. You're traveling to different time periods to change the future, and it handles it really well. You can even customize your ship with different parts and the ship takes place in some battles, offering artillery support. The end drags out a little bit, but it's a really fun RPG all in all.

Another underrated game I really like is a game on Steam called Khimera: Destroy all Monster Girls. Despite the name it's not ecchi trash. It's a 2D platformer with Mega Man elements, and some of the best writing I've seen in years. The fact that it's free is honestly mindblowing because it's a really well made game, with a lot of content, and a lot of fun. Definitely worth checking out.

Finally, Jaws on the NES. It's not the best game ever, but it's just good fun. Imagine like, if any 80's arcade game had adventure and RPG elements. You collect seashells to level up, find items, and eventually power up enough to kill the titular Jaws. It's got points, and lives, and the gameplay is very arcade-y, but it's a solid game all in all.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: PresidentLeever on January 08, 2019, 05:03:59 pm
Almost any good SMS game (Power Strike 2, Land of Illusion, Alex Kidd, Zillion, Kenseiden, Golvellius, Jurassic Park, WB3, Star Wars, etc.)

Fantasy Zone 2 & FZ2 DX - Defender-like Shooter

NES: Boulder Dash, Solomon's Key 1 & 2, Mendel Palace, Magic of Scheherazade, Splatterhouse: Wanpaku Graffiti, Metal Storm, ​Max Warrior/Isolated Warrior

Bionic Commando (GB)

Starsiege: Tribes - MP FPS

Typing of the Dead - Typing Challenge

I, Robot (ARC) - TPS

Galaxy Force II (ARC) - Rail Shooter

​S.T.U.N. Runner (ARC) - Hover Car Racing

Willow (ARC) - Action Platformer w/ minor RPG elements

King's Quest III (PC) - Quest Adventure

Langrisser series - SRPG

Pirates! (PC, 2004) - RPG/Sim

Populous 3 (PC) - RTS

North & South (NES/AMI) - TBS/Action

King's Valley 1-2 (MSX) - Puzzle Platformer

Maze of Galious (MSX) - Platform Adventure

Rampart (ARC)

Master of Monsters (MD) - TBS

​Gekibo: Gekisha Boy (PCE) - Photographer Sim/Action

Wonder Boy/Monster World series - Platform Adventure

Herzog Zwei (MD) - RTS

King Colossus (MD) - Action Adventure

General Chaos (MD) - RTT/RTS

Ranger X (MD) - Mech Action

Bubba N Stix (MD) - Puzzle Platformer

Panorama Cotton (MD) - Rail Shooter

Yu Yu Hakusho: Makyou Toitsusen (MD) - 4-Player Fighting

Soulstar (MCD) - Rail Shooter/Free-Roaming Shooter

Puzzle & Action 1-2 (MD/ARC) - Mini-Games

Light Crusader (MD) - Action Adventure

Phantom 2040 (MD/SNES) - Platform Adventure

Pocahontas (MD) - PoP-style Puzzle Platformer


Mini-reviews & notes: https://minirevver.weebly.com/innovative-games.html
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Recca on January 09, 2019, 02:05:06 am
7th Saga (Elnard) for the SNES is a vastly underrated RPG in my honest opinion. Aside from the somewhat weak ending, everything else about it is fantastic. There's seven unique characters to choose from, alongside whichever partner (if any) the player can select, giving this game a lot of replay value. The gameplay, music and graphics are all great as well. As a matter of fact, the sharper graphics and clearer music in 7th Saga is arguably better than that of Mystic Ark. Another very interesting feature in this game is the crystal ball (radar system) which is used to see places, treasures and even enemies. This lets the player actively seek out or avoid enemies altogether if one so desires, meaning that random annoying encounters are not much of an issue in this game unlike many other similar RPGs such as in the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest series.

Lufia: The Ruins of Lore (GBA) is another great and underrated game that is often seen as the least popular in the series because it's a side story (gaiden) that doesn't connect directly to the main plot. This is a rather foolish reason to not like a game in all honesty. As with the example above, the graphics, music and gameplay are all perfectly fine. Besides that, the story and characters are not at all bad either. Furthermore, the class system used in this game is great and fun to play around with, alongside the ability to befriend certain enemies and training them to fight alongside you using the "catch" system (along with an evolution system similar to that of Pokémon). Besides, how can anyone actually claim that the GBC Lufia is better than the GBA one...? Lufia: The Ruins of Lore is about as good as Lunar Legend is for the GBA.

And lastly, Secret of the Stars (Aqutallion) for the SNES isn't that bad of a game either, despite what many others might say. I've completed this game before and found it pretty fun. Changing between the main and side parties was an interesting feature. Besides that, it certainly is a million times better than EarthBound which flat out sucked for more reasons than I can remember (bad story and characters, annoyingly high random encounter rate and just over all bad gameplay to name a few reasons). Now, I better run and duck for cover before a bunch of angry EarthBound fans start throwing insults my way. :D
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: KingMike on January 09, 2019, 10:45:22 am
but any of them can change into beastmen, monsters, cyborgs, or robots, and there's like, 30-40 of EACH of those.
The transformation is based on Exp Level and the character's "element" (a stat which is fixed per character and hidden, only revealed in the manual) so there's not that much room for customization.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Chronosplit on January 09, 2019, 07:36:16 pm
Atomic Robo-Kid: One of the few games from my childhood that I give a toss about.  It's a side scrolling shooter with a cool sort of biomechanical thing going on, you can pretty well fly anywhere and weapons all have uses (Missile isn't the easiest to use but can shoot down projectiles, for exmaple), and it's somewhat varied in levels with bosses bigger than the screen.  Came out on Genesis and Turbografx, I'm not sure which one is better (most TG16 games I've played are the best versions), but I always had the former.  I think this started in arcade but I've actually never played that version.

Mort the Chicken: Think Sonic 3D Blast on the PS1, but fully 3D and you're a chicken saving the birds from cubes.  Also, there's no fancy Sonic style segments and the levels aren't divided.  In all honesty it's underrated for a reason but I'm pulled in by it somehow.  Probably the chicken jokes and my lame sense of humor.

Rocky Rodent: SNES platformer by Irem with the usual quality, and it's a cross between Sonic and Mario.  You get to stab people and climb up platforms with a fabulous mohawk.  That's honestly all that needs to be said if you ask me.

Chaos Seed: It has a translation here, it has a HG101 article, and I still don't hear much about it.  Some have explained it as Dungeon Keeper in the form of a SNES-style Action RPG, but really it kinda defies most definitions that I can think of.  There's a Saturn version but it isn't translated into any other language (and you really need that tutorial).

Battle Pinball: The Last Battle's aesthetic put into Pinball.  Plays kinda like Kirby's Pinball Land but with multiple characters.  SNES.

Super Uno: The SNES has Uno, and it's worth playing!  No translation though.

Pinball Quest: I'm listing this here because of the original idea of a pinball RPG.  Given it's on the NES it's as Dragon Questy as you expect it, and it may not all work out but it's interesting.  Some of Zen Pinball's tables are obviously influenced by this in that that some have RPG mechanics (most notably Skyrim more-or-less is also an RPG), but they're all grounded to one table.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Sanedan56 on January 12, 2019, 02:03:45 pm
Definitely Might and Magic for the Nes (and to a somewhat lesser extent, its sequel.) An impressive soundtrack by Masaharu Iwata,
improved graphics over the PC versions, and overall better gameplay.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Disch on January 12, 2019, 04:09:54 pm
I'm sure I've mentioned this before... but WANDERING SOULS

This game is free, hugely entertaining, and nobody in the world knows it exists:

https://youtu.be/AvJMlDIvf_o

It very well may be the single greatest beat-em-up ever made.  And this is coming from someone who absolutely hates beat-em-ups


EDIT:  For some gameplay footage that actually gives you a decent idea of what the game is like, go to 16:44 of this, and watch for maybe a minute or two:   https://youtu.be/DJBZWrs78C8?t=1004
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Chronosplit on January 12, 2019, 09:18:01 pm
Speaking of free games, Tales of Maj'Eyal is somewhat underrated (as in how most roguelikes are).  Definitely one of the best roguelikes to come out of the recent boom of such games.  There's a very large amount to say about it, but I don't want to get too long winded on one thing.  To put it short though:

-Tons of class/race options (many of which are unlocked over time, but there are ways around that.  Also there are even more opened by addons).  The levelup system also provides a lot of customization.  Some of these classes are pretty outside of the box too, like being a creature living in a hivemind that wields solipsism as a weapon.
-You know how Golden Sun had tons of magical artifacts themed around all sorts of things with special moves?  That doesn't have anything on ToME.  The stuff you'll randomly find is quite astounding, from Diablo-style egos to items with full backstories in lore with properties that will completely change your game strategy.
-Though the plot itself is about as deep as you'd expect from the genre, the lore and worldbuilding is enough to make most JRPGs blush.
-The kind of heart and dedication that that produces DLC that's actually worth buying and gets updated years later (no kidding, next major update is going to add a new class to one DLC).

It's 90% free on the website (https://te4.org) and donators get additional benefits.  The version you find on Steam/GOG is the same you get as a donator, and that's sort of true with DLC too as donating on-site gives you a currency to buy DLC with.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Jorpho on January 12, 2019, 10:37:14 pm
Final Fantasy Legend 3. It's definitely the black sheep of the series, having a more traditional leveling, equipment, and magic system, but it did a lot of genuinely ingenious stuff that you just don't see in games. Your characters start as 2 humans, and 2 mutants, but any of them can change into beastmen, monsters, cyborgs, or robots, and there's like, 30-40 of EACH of those. It makes for some really awesome party customization. The story is completely butchered by the English translation, but the story itself is really good. Imagine a proto-Chrono Trigger. You're traveling to different time periods to change the future, and it handles it really well. You can even customize your ship with different parts and the ship takes place in some battles, offering artillery support. The end drags out a little bit, but it's a really fun RPG all in all.
Would you say the DS version is superior? Or is it more of a completely different game?

I'm sure I've mentioned this before... but WANDERING SOULS

This game is free, hugely entertaining, and nobody in the world knows it exists:

https://youtu.be/AvJMlDIvf_o

It very well may be the single greatest beat-em-up ever made.  And this is coming from someone who absolutely hates beat-em-ups


EDIT:  For some gameplay footage that actually gives you a decent idea of what the game is like, go to 16:44 of this, and watch for maybe a minute or two:   https://youtu.be/DJBZWrs78C8?t=1004
Looks kinda drab, tbh.  There's no sense of solidity or impact, and the tinny synthesizer doesn't help much either.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Disch on January 12, 2019, 11:32:25 pm
Looks kinda drab, tbh.

You're nuts!

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There's no sense of solidity or impact,

Meh, that's a superficial gripe.  There's plenty of stuff about the aesthetic that I don't particularly like... like all the weeb nonsense.  But the mechanics are 100% solid, extremely fun, and the perfect balance of challenge (at least when played on highest difficulty)

Seriously, though, with all the (constant) hits in this game, a heavy THUMP for each one would be absolutely dreadful.  When playing it, you definitely feel when you got hit hard, but a lot of the smaller hits can tend to go unnoticed if your focus is elsewhere.

The big things that set this apart from other beat-em-ups is:

--  Surprisingly little button mashing.  You can try it, but on higher difficulties, merely trying to pound the enemy into submission won't work.  There's a LOT of strategy of knowing when to strike, when to back off, and when to use what special move.

--  Actual dodging.  It's sort of a bullet hell / beat-em-up hybrid (and bullet hells are another genre I'm not really a fan of).  Most of the time you're trying to squeeze in hits while dodging a barrage of stuff flying at you from every direction.

--  A LOT of character configuration, particularly once you get a few stages into the game.  You get 3 characters (eventually picked from a larger roster of about 12), all with distinctly different basic attacks and special moves.  Also each can be equipped with 4 relics to enhance certain traits.

-- Tons of enemy variety.  There's a lot of graphics recycling for enemies, but the number of distinct enemies with distinct moves is enormous.  Each "world" effectively has an entirely new set of enemies.


Most beat-em-ups I've tried are incredibly slow paced button-mash-a-thons where the bulk of the strategy involves avoiding guys until you can clump them together and punch them all at once -- or extremely tedious "punch a few times, step back, step back in, punch a few times" style boss fights.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: SunGodPortal on January 14, 2019, 04:10:09 am
Thanks for the thread. It's been a while since I've done this but...

Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness. (wait for it...) Only 3D Castlevania besides CV64 that actually plays like a Castlevania game (with a touch of Resident Evil). Has 4 different characters that all play differently and have their own stories and a few levels and/or level arrangements unique to their specific playthrough. The soundtrack is highly underrated IMO. More ambient, symphonic and cinematic than the usual (but awesome) pop-rock/baroque fare for CV titles. Another thing I love about this title is that "hard mode" is more than just an HP and item/enemy placement mod. Some of the bosses will pull out moves you've never seen them do before. And there are boss fights EVERYWHERE!

This game is def underrated because I hear the same story all the time:

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I tried the first Castlevania for the N64 and the controls and camera gave me nightmares so like a goober, I didn't even try Legacy of Darkness and therefore missed out because I am lame...

 Werewolf vs dragon
(http://www.defunctgames.com/pic/reviewpics/reviewr1252-4.jpg)

 Watch your step, Cornell!
(http://nerdbacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/CLOD5-300x229.jpg)
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: SleepyFist on January 15, 2019, 04:58:02 am
Just wanna add a couple more.

MDK 1&2, The acronym stands for Murder Death Kill Mothers Day Kisses! It's a pair of 3rd person shooters by Shiny with a really great sense of juvenile humor mixed up slick 90s comic book edge and cheese I highly recommend trying it if it sounds like your thing.

The Sexy Brutale, A bit unpolished but definitely was one of the standout games for me recently, It's sort of a Majoras Mask style looping detective puzzle, the music and sound design is also fantastic, maybe consider checking out some videos of the early game or catching a few of the songs from the OST if you're interested, caveat though, DO NOT play this game on the Switch the slowdown, lag, and loss of visual quality hurt this game immensely on the Switch.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: KingMike on January 16, 2019, 09:11:46 pm
The thing I remember hearing is that MDK was ported to WiiWare, but it is rumored that Nintendo's licensing terms were that since it didn't hit a minimum sales number, Nintendo was entitled to all the money and the devs nothing. :(
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: SleepyFist on January 19, 2019, 03:49:36 pm
Wow, that sounds pretty shitty, can you source that for me?

From what I can tell it was generally well received on WiiWare, even though it didn't really sell.

iirc they also had problems with just straight up not fucking advertising games at the time too.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: A.D.R.I.A.N on January 19, 2019, 11:59:12 pm
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned Final Fantasy II. Despite it's flaws, it's a good game in it's own right.

Final Fantasy Dimensions, Zelda The Minish Cap and Secret of Evermore deserve a mention.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Chronosplit on January 20, 2019, 02:01:59 pm
I've been meaning to get Dimensions, but every time a sale happens on the google it's the wrong time.  Speaking of mobile, quite a lot of games are underrated because people either don't want to pay or think the entire platform is about freemium shit.  Here's a messy list:

-EvoCreo: I struggle to call this a Pokemon clone because the devs actively attempted to fix issues with Pokemon while making it, giving them one over Game Freak.  It is though, and it's a very good one.  There's DLC but it actually adds to the gameplay.
-Uciana: It's about the best 4x game on the platform, and it's updated pretty regularly.  Definitely takes a lot of inspiration from MOO and you can't go wrong with the price.  If you want something more like Master of Magic there's Planar Conquest, but it's quite buggy and no updates are around (consider running MoM in a DOS emu instead or going to your PC to get something like Age of Wonders Shadow Magic).
-Pocket Tanks: It's one-on-one Scorched Earth but much crazier in weapons.  The IAP is kinda weird but worth it because of nuttier weapon choices, similar to my earlier Tales of Maj'Eyal post than most other mobile games.  Also on PC and Mac, it's the same game.
-Great Big War Game: A title in a series of games heavily inspired by Advance Wars, but in 3D with more stuff like terrain height.  This is the peak of the series.  Unless you prefer under half the actual campaign length, randomly generated maps, and building your base however you want, then you want Epic Little War Game.
-Ticket to Ride: Well, just about all of Asmodee's boardgames are worth it (pathfinder being the exception), but Ticket to Ride is the best of them.  Multiplayer links with all versions, the UI is nice (on a tablet anyway), and it's generally a good and wholesome boardgame besides.  There's IAP, but considering that each one would be a whole other game physically I'm not opposed to it.  Also notable is Talisman, but prepare to spend money if you're not me and have been buying expansions over the years.  Also people tend to get mad about dice rolls, but from here it just sounds like salt.
-King of Dragon Pass: I prefer the updated version on mobile as opposed to computer because it was obviously made for it.  It's basically a streamlined version of the original game (meaning a lot of micromanagement is now on full auto, this is a love or hate thing).  KoDP is underrated in itself and is definitely a great play.
-Galaxy of Pen and Paper: The spiritual sequel to Knights of Pen and Paper.  Just as good if not better, in spaaaaaaace.  Don't play Paradox's actual Knights sequel, it's garbage.
-Cyber Knights: Trese Brothers' games are all damn good if they're what you're looking for and the devs provide great service, but this managed to capture the more open-ended Genesis Shadowrun type of game that the newer Shadowruns didn't do.  Also notable: Templar Battleforce, Heroes of Steel, and Star Traders.
-Fighting Fantasy Classics: Tin Man Games makes by far the best gamebook adaptations around, with the only ones coming close being the Sorcery series and Lone Wolf Saga.  This app is a sort of library with most of their Fighting Fantasy collection plus some new ones with extra options (original art, background music options, etc.), and additions are to come.  As a free library would imply though, you must buy most of the books.  It's also on Steam, but considering these are books and presented as such you should play this on the platform you use for eBooks.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Isao Kronos on January 20, 2019, 09:15:54 pm
So Galaxy of Pen and Paper is pretty decent? I enjoyed Knights 1 but not 2.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Chronosplit on January 20, 2019, 09:45:02 pm
So Galaxy of Pen and Paper is pretty decent? I enjoyed Knights 1 but not 2.
If you liked the first Knights you'll like Galaxy.  It's made by the same devs.

Main issue with Knights 2 was that the original people had no hand in it, and Paradox got greedy big time.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: ArkthePieKing on January 21, 2019, 11:16:10 pm
Would you say the DS version is superior? Or is it more of a completely different game?

It's tough to say. The DS version is entirely different from the GB version. The mechanics were updated to be more faithful to the SaGa series, whereas FFL3 does its own thing in a lot of ways. It was actually directed by the guy who did Mystic Quest, but like, it's actually GOOD. I'd say give the Gameboy version a shot. It does a lot to let you decide how to tackle the game and how to customize your party. The DS version does as well, but because it's more akin to a traditional SaGa game all the mechanics are a lot more obtuse and you have a lot less control over your own party's growth.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Sarah Shinespark on January 27, 2019, 09:37:10 pm
Donkey Kong (Gameboy):
Also known as Donkey Kong 94, it's a masterpiece of unfolding game design that also made huge strides in the creation of the modern Mario moveset.

Mischief Makers (N64):
It's a game where you play as a green haired mecha-maid picking up ball people, animals and giant mecha and slamming them around like ragdolls until they die or explode, it's also from the creators of Gunstar Heroes.

Final Fantasy Legend (Gameboy)
aka Makai Toushi SaGa, the first game in the SaGa franchise, the first mobile RPG, and the inspiration for the Pokémon series, it's a bit clunky these days but it's definitely a good time.

These 3 nailed it for me. I played the crap out of Donkey Kong on GB!

There was an NES game I played with my sis growing up called Trog! It's an arcade-style game starring baby dinosaurs collecting eggs and avoiding being eaten by cavemen (the Trogs). Gameplay is roughly similar to Pacman? Pretty fun and cute.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Jorpho on January 28, 2019, 09:29:13 am
There was an NES game I played with my sis growing up called Trog! It's an arcade-style game starring baby dinosaurs collecting eggs and avoiding being eaten by cavemen (the Trogs). Gameplay is roughly similar to Pacman? Pretty fun and cute.
If you like it that much, you should play the arcade original on MAME.
https://hg101.kontek.net/trog/trog.htm
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: POWCo-op on January 28, 2019, 11:07:25 pm
If you like it that much, you should play the arcade original on MAME.
https://hg101.kontek.net/trog/trog.htm
NES ports were superb, to be fair.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: filler on January 29, 2019, 10:44:02 pm
I'm going to add my little list. A while ago I made a list of my top 20 or so games of all time, and there are definitely a few games on there that other folks don't rate nearly as highly as I do.

- Monster Rancher 3 (PS2). I don't hear people talk about this series at all. I enjoyed the first two Monster Rancher games, a.k.a Monster Farm in Japan. However, Monster Rancher 3 was a high point of the series for me. I loved raising and battling monsters in that game. You use discs such as CDs, DVDs, and game discs to generate monsters, raise them, and battle in tournaments.

- Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure (PSX). This is the first Nippon Ichi game I played, before they had a US branch, back when they were published by Atlus. Disgaea put them on the map in North America, but before that they developed a whole bunch of games set in the Marl Kingdom, the first of which is Rhapsody (a.k.a. Marl Oukoku no Ningou Hime). It's a charming adventure with a bunch of songs, and a fun little tactical battle system. It's not especially deep, but it makes up for it with an abundance of personality. Has a cult following but still underrated IMO.

- Dragon Force (SAT). A tactical strategy game in a sword and sorcery setting. You send generals out to surrounding towns to recruit soldiers and battle surrounding countries. Battles take place on an open field where 2D sprites battle it out using different troop types and battle formations. It's streamlined enough to be fun and easy to understand. The only down-side is that it's a little tedious once the tide of battle has turned and you're left mopping up the last few countries. No one really talks about this, though I think it's pretty expensive on the Saturn.

- Welcome to Pia Carrot (PC-FX). I translated this and it had a patch release about 10 years ago now. It seems like everyone assumes this is a throwaway porn game. To the surprise of folks who actually play this, it's a tremendously charming and deceptively engaging simulation game. You play out the days of the week spanning the summer vacation of your senior year in high school. Stuck working at your father's restaurant, you have the opportunity to meet and court a cast of eligible ladies. All have back stories that influence how receptive they are to getting to know you better. It's a great introduction to Japanese gaming's history of romantic adventure games, and is my second favorite game ever. Almost no one has played this game outside of Japan. Even there the sequel was more popular than the first game.

- Illbleed (DC). My buddy picked this up back when the Dreamcast was new, and I absolutely loved this game. It has developed a cult following more recently, so maybe it's starting to get the attention it deserves, but it's been criminally underrated for a long time. That said, you do need to understand that much of the genius of this game is simply its sick and twisted sense of humor. It doesn't take itself too seriously, and has a ton of fun with horror tropes. The game-play takes some getting used to, but the payoff is an experience that those of you with a dark enough sense of humor will absolutely love.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: IcePenguin on February 02, 2019, 10:19:05 am
Cubivore: Survival of the Fittest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl1TyG_iHW8

People might not give this game any thought because it looks super weird, with simple gfx, but it is very fun.  (not to mention ultra rare)  My first experience with this game, I wasn't too impressed at first.  The game play was a bit confusing, and it just felt like one of those things that you can't help but stare at, when you know you shouldn't.  :P

However!  Once the mechanics started to make a little more sense, it clicked!  It's really hard to explain, but it has a surprisingly deep evolution premise, where you must get stronger and stronger to eventually defeat the super bosses.  I remember there being some pretty intense battles, where you have to weaken the monsters, and then eat them to gain their power.

It's been a long time since I played this, so I'm quite hazy on the details.  If you ever get a chance to play, give it a go!
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: SleepyFist on February 10, 2019, 02:51:27 pm
- Welcome to Pia Carrot (PC-FX). I translated this and it had a patch release about 10 years ago now. It seems like everyone assumes this is a throwaway porn game. To the surprise of folks who actually play this, it's a tremendously charming and deceptively engaging simulation game. You play out the days of the week spanning the summer vacation of your senior year in high school. Stuck working at your father's restaurant, you have the opportunity to meet and court a cast of eligible ladies. All have back stories that influence how receptive they are to getting to know you better. It's a great introduction to Japanese gaming's history of romantic adventure games, and is my second favorite game ever. Almost no one has played this game outside of Japan. Even there the sequel was more popular than the first game.

Any tips on how to get the patch running? It was difficult to track down a working rip but it also seems like the patch has some issues with corrupting the game or something? I've tried it on both BizHawk and Mednafen to no avail, and both direct patched and with the patch just sitting in the folder, It does look fun though.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Isao Kronos on February 10, 2019, 03:55:23 pm
Does Kingdoms of Amalur Reckoning count? I find it to be the premier single player mmorpg simulator.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: star_scream1646 on February 10, 2019, 08:36:27 pm
Nano Breaker for the PS2! Now that is an underrated game.......at least to me.
(https://i.imgur.com/GMaJsRGm.jpg)
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: filler on February 10, 2019, 10:57:17 pm
Any tips on how to get the patch running? It was difficult to track down a working rip but it also seems like the patch has some issues with corrupting the game or something? I've tried it on both BizHawk and Mednafen to no avail, and both direct patched and with the patch just sitting in the folder, It does look fun though.
It's not going to work on Mednafen period. I don't know why.

To provide some perspective, it works on real hardware. David and I made this before I even knew Mednafen existed, and I think before it had a PC-FX core, though I don't know for sure. David (developer of MagicEngineFX) made a soft-patch that will patch on-the-fly with MagicEngineFX, the only known PC-FX emulator at the time, so it's super easy to run. Just have the .ppf file in the same directory as MagicEngineFX when you run it.

That's all I can tell you. We confirmed it worked with the known good PC-FX emulator at the time and on real hardware and put it out there for folks to enjoy. If I remember correctly, I made a Ninja patch for it, which could probably stand to be expanded to include more patching formats, but again, (Never-mind. I was thinking of another project. WtPC includes a custom exe to patch for play on real hardware, and a ppf to play with MagicEngineFX) the soft-patch for MagicEngineFX is pretty handy.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: SleepyFist on February 11, 2019, 02:20:15 pm
It's not going to work on Mednafen period. I don't know why.

To provide some perspective, it works on real hardware. David and I made this before I even knew Mednafen existed, and I think before it had a PC-FX core, though I don't know for sure. David (developer of MagicEngineFX) made a soft-patch that will patch on-the-fly with MagicEngineFX, the only known PC-FX emulator at the time, so it's super easy to run. Just have the .ppf file in the same directory as MagicEngineFX when you run it.

That's all I can tell you. We confirmed it worked with the known good PC-FX emulator at the time and on real hardware and put it out there for folks to enjoy. If I remember correctly, I made a Ninja patch for it, which could probably stand to be expanded to include more patching formats, but again, (Never-mind. I was thinking of another project. WtPC includes a custom exe to patch for play on real hardware, and a ppf to play with MagicEngineFX) the soft-patch for MagicEngineFX is pretty handy.
Thanks, I guess I'll be picking up the discounted MagicEngine bundle at the end of the month then.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: mziab on February 12, 2019, 08:07:04 am
It's possible that the translation patch didn't update the EDC/ECC checksums and Mednafen's on-the-fly error correction is wreaking havoc.

Quote from: Mednafen changelog
   Removed the warning in the documentation about error correction of raw data track rips, as Mednafen will now perform simple correction
   using the EDC and L-EC data(since 0.8.4-rc3).  This could conceivably cause problems with naive hacks/translations/patches that neglect to update
   the EDC and L-EC data, so it can be disabled by setting the setting "cdrom.lec_eval" to 0.
   L-EC correction is based off code from dvdisaster(http://dvdisaster.net/).

The setting mentioned above was removed ages ago, though. But you could try fixing the checksums by extracting and reinserting modified files using something like CDmage. Just an educated guess, but worth a shot. Unless it's a bona fide emulation issue with Mednafen. Then you're better off posting about this in their forums.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Chronosplit on February 12, 2019, 01:16:33 pm
I know that the ECC thing does all sorts of things to Beetle PSX.  For most of it, a run through ECC Regen is all that is required.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: filler on February 12, 2019, 08:51:23 pm
Thanks, I guess I'll be picking up the discounted MagicEngine bundle at the end of the month then.  :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: Let me know if you have any trouble with audio stuttering. I may be able to help a bit.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: SleepyFist on February 16, 2019, 02:35:02 pm
I know that the ECC thing does all sorts of things to Beetle PSX.  For most of it, a run through ECC Regen is all that is required.
I'll try that, uhhh btw, how does one go about getting a copy of ECC Regen?
It looks like the place it was hosted has long since been sold off.


nvm Hot damn, looks like it's finally up and running! I just used CDmage > action > Scan for corruption > rebuild sector fields.
It's running fine under Bizhawk now sans a few crackles here and there, it also doesn't seem to need the audio dumped either.

I think I'll probably still pick up MagicEngine anyway, I could probably use a dedicated PCE emu, BizHawk is also throwing off video subtitles too.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Recca on February 20, 2019, 04:31:47 am
Zoids Legacy for the GBA is another one of those rare gems that's not widely known. It features a story line that combines those of the different Zoids anime series into one. It has a lot of characters and Zoid machines to choose from which can also be customized and equipped with different weapons as well as other equipment. There's a lot of interesting tournament style battles some of which have different restrictions and requirements. It's a very fun game to play overall, with good music and graphics. The only downside unfortunately is that the actual translation itself is not best. It's still better than that of Breath of Fire II was on the SNES, but it could definitely use some script polishing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoids_Saga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoids_Saga)

Shogo: Mobile Armor Division for the PC also deserves more credit than it's given. Up to this day, I still think that it's the best FPS out there and I don't even like these types of games. Shogo is the only one that I was ever able to get into as an RPG gamer. Featuring anime style graphics, great music and levels, along with two modes of play: on foot and in a giant mecha robot, what's not to love? It's way better than all the other FPS games out there. And yes, I've tried the so called "popular" ones and didn't like them in the least bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVPyJuK2daM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVPyJuK2daM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogo:_Mobile_Armor_Division (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogo:_Mobile_Armor_Division)

And last, but certainly not least, the Gothic and Risen series also for the PC (and a few consoles as well) is a wonderful, but horribly underrated and overlooked series. They're both amazing open world series of games that were made well before Skyrim (which took many elements from them) yet are not half as well known in the gaming world. There's also different factions, classes, equipment, spells, quests and options to choose from. It's honestly a shame how many great German and Japanese titles go unnoticed in the U.S.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_(series) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_(series))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risen_(series) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risen_(series))

Edit: I might as well mention Robopon 2 and Medabots, both for the GBA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robopon_2_Ring_and_Cross_Versions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robopon_2_Ring_and_Cross_Versions)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medabots_(video_game) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medabots_(video_game))
Both games are great and often overlooked. They both feature interesting 3 on 3 turn based battles with lots of different customization options for the robots used by the player. And by the way, Robopon 2 is much better than the first one was. It kind of reminds me of Robotrek/Slapstick for the SNES mixed with a bit of Pokémon.

Ys V and Brain Lord for the SNES are also often overlooked. The worlds are nicely detailed and the fast paced hack and slash battle system is definitely a welcome addition in a time where most RPGs were turn based. Brain Lord also has a lot of puzzles which are well designed. Sadly, this game is often overshadowed by The Legend of Zelda - A link to the Past. Whereas, Ys V is great all across the board. It's a bit short compared to most RPGs (requiring about only eight hours to complete). Other than that though, everything else about it (the graphics, music and storyline) is perfect. The alchemy/magic combination system was also very unique.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys_V:_Lost_Kefin,_Kingdom_of_Sand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys_V:_Lost_Kefin,_Kingdom_of_Sand)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Lord (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Lord)
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: KingMike on February 20, 2019, 01:02:08 pm
Unfortunate that Robopon 1 does not seem to have saving correctly emulated.
A bit hesitant to trust original batteries in an actual cart. But at the least it seems that Robopon 1 used a special cart that actually allowed the battery to be easily removed (perhaps because the alarm feature probably drained the battery much faster than normal. Wish Pokemon Gen 2 would've thought of that. :P )
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Chronosplit on March 21, 2019, 11:14:16 pm
I kinda feel like sports games get underrated on the SNES, outside of NBA Jam TE or Tecmo games anyway.  Between the Genesis handling the most well known ones better and the yearly releases it's not very surprising.  There's a couple I still come back to though.

-Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball holds up.  Partially because the names are replaced except one (and you can rename) thus making it feel a bit more timeless, and and partially it has this neat not-as-realistic motif going on.  Winning Run doesn't hold up as much, and it's kinda sad because Rare of all people decided to go the ultra serious route.

-Looney Tunes B-Ball takes the NBA Jam idea and adds powerups of all things (turning the ball into a ticking time bomb you pass to the other team, throwing a pie and leaving a player unmovable for a bit, etc).  These are not as OP as you'd expect because they run off of a money meter, which is gained by gathering stuff on the court in a game where you don't have much time to do so.  There's also no teams.  You just pick some of the most recognizable cartoon characters with power bars to show their stats similar to how a kart racer or similar works, which means if someone doesn't know much about the sport there's even less to explain.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: The Best NSMB64 on April 05, 2019, 02:57:56 pm
Sorry I took so long to finally reply to my own thread, it was just because on most other hacking forums, I can post a thread without having to wait for it to get accepted by a moderator. But here, because I didn’t see it get uploaded in the subforum, I couldn’t know when it was uploaded unless I come back every day, which I was not willing to do, since I am usually looking at hacking tutorials and YouTube videos from people like Nathaniel Bandy and Ceave Gaming. Not like I hate the way this works, but it’s just something that slightly annoyed me, since on the other forums, like NSMBHD, anything that the admins don’t like can get deleted or if it’s a thread, then it can get put into the interdimensional trash can.

So let’s get to the point. I REALLY love the Battalion Wars series because of how well-built it is. It is pretty much a mashup of RTS and Third Person Shooter games. There also is a very small modding community for both of the games, but it doesn’t really get much recognition among most people. BTW it actually is kinda a spin-off of the Advance Wars series, so if you are a fan of that type of stuff, you should really check it out.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: KingMike on April 05, 2019, 09:32:03 pm
It's an anti-spam feature.
So mods can nuke the spambots before anyone else sees them.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: gamingcat02261991 on April 06, 2019, 12:24:54 am
Arch-Rivals (Arcade): Basically the predecessor to NBA Jam. Controls aren't as good as NBA Jam, though.

Mario Party Advance (GBA): Considered the black sheep of the Mario Party franchise, it focuses on single-player gameplay.

The Sims 1 & 2 (Console Ports): Very different compared to the PC original. Apparently, you can't have children in the sequel, nor are children programmed.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: James5541 on April 20, 2019, 01:07:40 am
Shining Soul II is an great game that I never hear anyone talk about. It's not anywhere close to the level of RPGs like Final Fantasy VI or Chrono Trigger but it holds its own considering it's one of those obscure GBA games that we've all played at one point or another. Shining Souls II is a traditional Action-RPG with with a simple yet efficient leveling system. Upon leveling up in Shining Souls II the player is given skill points that come in two forms. There are skill points that affect basic stats and then there are skill points that are spent on weapon skills which will cause new weapon abilities to be unlocked. One of the main selling points of the game is the main character selection. There are several different playable characters with their own classes, unique stat allocations, and weapon specializations. The game's soundtrack is fairly dull but that's to be expected from a GBA game and the story isn't exactly thrilling but I'd still recommend it to RPG and Action fans alike. Overall I'd have to rate Shining Souls II a 7/10.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Polargames on August 17, 2019, 08:58:33 pm
A game that I really enjoined was Army Men: Sarge's Heroes 1&2 for the Nintendo 64. I felt that the games although were far from perfect, they just had something about them that made it fun to play. I thought that playing as a plastic toy in a video game was a very cool idea and I felt that it was an idea ahead of its time. The PS 1&2 versions were still bad IMO.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Badseed on August 21, 2019, 08:47:49 am
Blaster Master and Bionic Commando for the NES. So many fond memories of playing these as a wee little one.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: elosga on August 22, 2019, 08:13:28 am
Brutal legend. Yes, it may have been marketed as a hack'n'slash, and turned out to include a lot of RTS aspects (all the major fights) but it was surprisingly fun, the soundtrack was awesome, and Ozzy freaking Osbourne was the guy you bought your upgrades from. And up to a certain point, every time you went to see him, he's welcome you with a different line.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: GundamBattleAssault2 on August 22, 2019, 01:38:02 pm
Gundam Battle Assault 2

It's a crazy fun 2D fighting game. The mobile suits are all so powerful and interesting to play.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: A.W. Laris Borromeo on August 23, 2019, 05:33:50 am
*The Twisted Metal Franchise (1995-2009)
The games are car combat games, about the Twisted Metal Tournament.
The first game is the one that started the franchise, but the second game is where the franchise started to get more violent. The third game continues the story from the second game and added new vehicles. The fourth game however changed the story from a tournament to a wandering circus battlefield. Small Brawl is a Twisted Metal game made for children while TM Black is a darker take on the series and adds online play as well (and Sweet Tooth as a Transformer). Head-On is the PSP iteration and features some of the series levels - and the PS2 version added more battlefields as well (including the Transylvania level).

*Rogue Trip Vacation 2012 (PS1)
Another car combat game by the former Twisted Metal developers. Despite the similarities from Twisted Metal, it is more original, and the game even predicted the supposed 2012 apocalypse.

*Assault Retribution (PS1)
A Contra clone released in 1999 by Midway.
Unlike the Contra games released on PS1 before it, it is more of a Contra game than those games.
and has more power ups and weapons too - and even an abundant supply of health and 1ups in some stages.

*Omega Boost (PS1)
A shooter made by the Gran Turismo people, the game lets you play as the titular Omega Boost robot and time travel back to 1946 to stop ENIAC (really?). Its a good shooter with dodging, lasers and a good soundtrack - in fact, in a similar way to Gran Turismo, every regional release of the game has specific songs on the intro, title screen, the final boss, and the ending movie. I remember this game very well.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: FallenAngel2387 on August 25, 2019, 08:49:16 am
Skitchin'(Genesis, and believe me, I could be here all day with this console...): Unlike it's more recognized cousin Road Rash, it's not as pick up and play, which will turn off a number of impatient gamers. As a game played on inline skates, you can really put a beat down on the other racers, giving it something of a beat 'em up feel. You can upgrade individual pieces of gear between races, provided you did well enough. Depending on what you do on some tracks, you can play bonus tracks for extra money. There's no AI to worry about, all the racers are pretty much out to get you, so either kick their asses, or hitch rides on the back of cars(Back to the Future, late for school style), slingshotting past everything else, possibly pulling off insane tricks(hint: let go of the buttons as soon as you start to do something, if you want to land).

TL/DR:
Just a fun lesser known game where you may want to read about how it controls beforehand.

Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Spooniest on August 25, 2019, 05:54:12 pm
Did somebody say Conquest of the Crystal Palace for the NES already?

I always thought it was kind of cool for a game that I never heard anything else about, and now I know that it was actually a project that the creator of Ivalice and FFT worked on in his early days. Small wonder, then.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Chronosplit on August 25, 2019, 09:16:25 pm
Spot: The Video Game for NES.  If it can be called anything, it's the prequel of Cool Spot because it has the 7UP mascot.

Instead of being a mascot platformer that would be most likely worse than Cool Spot however, this is a game of Reversi of all things.  Here's the catch: not only can you play up to a four player game with either human or the CPU, but you can edit the normal square board to your heart's content.  This makes for a basic but addictive game, and the silly little animations from moving are just icing.  If you liked Mario 64 DS's Bob-Omb Reversi game, you'll probably get a kick out of this.

Also I find myself playing SNES Monopoly more than I care to admit.  It doesn't have the free parking rule and you're probably not going to round up friends to play it (I mean the board game is right there), but it runs pretty solid with up to 8 people all things considered.  Oh, and there's a Japan only sequel for some reason.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: julayla on August 26, 2019, 01:42:09 pm
I feel that the games from Daedalic (particularly the Edna and Harvey games) are very under appreciated.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Recca on September 04, 2019, 06:12:22 am
I've always felt that both Quest 64 and Quest: Brain's Journey were greatly underrated. Sure, they may be simple style RPGs without a lot of fancy features, but they're certainly quite original in regards to how all the features have been implemented. The magic level system and moneyless aspects made both of these games stand out compared to other typical RPGs such as those in the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest series. It's sad that Quest 64 was rushed though, it could've been better if they had more time to work on it. However, I still find both games fun to play, even though they're both a little short. Too bad the sequel to Quest 64 was cancelled. Based on what I've seen and heard, it probably would've been a pretty amazing game...
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: Jorpho on September 04, 2019, 10:36:59 am
I was just reading about Quest 64 over at https://www.badgamehalloffame.com/blog/quest-64/ . (It's the most compelling writing about video games that I've seen in quite some time.)
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: SleepyFist on September 04, 2019, 07:45:01 pm
I've played it a few times, while it's not great it's not as terrible as it's made out to be,(the music is great for one)
funny enough the Japanese version is slightly more polished than the US version, with more time indev it really could have been great.
Title: Re: Underrated Games
Post by: travel27 on September 06, 2019, 01:58:50 pm
Good to see so many solid games being mentioned.  7th saga (not nearly as hard as people claim however), Alcahest, Shining souls 2 Ys 5 (don't forget 4) and Brainlord.  I beat Ys 5 and Brainlord again (beaten them multiple times) recently and the puzzles in BL can get downright nasty, especially coupled with some tough platforming maneuvers but happy to say I never really had to go to a FAQ, except to find a few very well hidden hearts.

Loved Lufia 1 and 2 for the snes but could not stand Ruins of Lore for the GBA or Secret of the stars and found Chaos seed (snes) to be over rated.

Cyber Knight 1 and 2 for the snes, once you get the hang of them, are solid games.

Dragon View (snes)

Magical land of wozz is really under rated.  Feda: Emblem of Justice for srpgs too.

Feel like Twisted tales of spike mcfang does not get enough love.

Wandering Souls I did not care for, the game that came before it, Mage Gauntlet was much better.  Better gameplay/flow, better music and sound, better graphics, more natural spikes in challenge, etc.


I really like Star Ocean second Story. seems to get a bad rap from a lot of people i meet. final Fantasy 8 is also just dogged by most people i talk to about ff games. Not exactly sure if i would consider ff8 underrated. Just going by what most people tell me. Also, Alone In The Dark The New Nightmare seems under appreciated. I guess after the enormous effect Resident Evil had on the population, it seemed to "die" away from most peoples thoughts. I play it a lot though.

Well, they don't know what they are talking about and don't like good games because it was received pretty high praise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Ocean%3A_The_Second_Story

Reception

Aggregator   Score
GameRankings (PS) 79%
GameRankings (PSP) 76%
Metacritic (PS) 80/100
Metacritic (PSP) 75/100

Review scores
Publication   Score
Famitsu   (PS)   33/40
Game Informer (PS) 7.5/10
Game Informer (PSP) 7/10
GameSpot (PS) 8.3/10
GameSpot (PSP) 7.5/10
IGN (PS) 8.8/10
IGN (PSP) 8/10
Next Generation   3/5 stars
Gamers   (PS) 4.6/5
RPGFan   (PS) 90/100
RPGFAN (PSP) 80/100