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Title: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: RHDNBot on June 17, 2017, 08:06:38 am
(http://www.romhacking.net/newsimages/newsimage1892a.png) (http://www.romhacking.net/translations/3079/) (http://www.romhacking.net/newsimages/newsimage1892b.png) (http://www.romhacking.net/translations/3079/)

Update By: cccmar

"Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: The Missing Golden Pipe" (gaiden meaning tale/side story/legend) is the first GGG RPG for the Famicom. It's well-known for being the first turn-based RPG in the series, for introducing certain recurring characters, and for being even more wacky than the earlier games in the series. Now, thanks to Mr Fwibbles of Adventurous Translation the game can be enjoyed in English. So, without further ado, have fun!

RHDN Project Page (http://www.romhacking.net/translations/3079/)

Relevant Link (http://www.romhacking.net/translations/3079/)
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: SylarDean on June 17, 2017, 09:51:34 am
WOW! nice   :D  another RPG I can play now.. awesome. Thanks guys for this great gift, just one question.. Are you going to translate.. 'Ganbare Goemon Gaiden 2' also? would be a shame to not do them both :)
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: aqualung on June 17, 2017, 11:20:08 am
YEEESSSS!!!! As soon as I finish Tales of the Abyss I'm going to sink my teeth into this cute little thing, hehe. Thank you very much for your hard work in making this game playable in English. By the way, you said in the GG Gaiden development thread that you weren't interested in translating Gaiden 2 because you don't like it at all. Is it really that bad? ;D
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: meunierd on June 17, 2017, 02:30:48 pm
👏 Excellent work! Thanks for bringing the world more Goemon.
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: ulieq on June 17, 2017, 04:24:50 pm
TY!
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: rainponcho on June 17, 2017, 04:43:37 pm
Discussion about the ending credits, with Mr Fwibbles.

1) Original game has a bug showing them incorrectly. Mapper chr write issue. Fix here.
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=49254551122516746591

Code: [Select]
rom w/header

3e004 = fc bf
3e016 = 0d 0f

2) rom 7f000 + 10 header has specialized font. It's stored as annoying interleaved 1-bpp tiles. 2 colors = two different alphabets.

3) Bigger irritant is they are drawn as two 8x16 sprite tiles. Reusable kanji and such. To get the replacement text to fit, 8x8 English font has to be used. There's a decent # of 8x16 tiles to play around with though.


If there's someone worthy of finishing this off, please send a PM directly to Mr. Fwibbles. Only serious intent please and maybe -after- you've demonstrated that you've inserted your own replacement alphabet and overcome the technical challenge. :)
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: MrFwibbles on June 17, 2017, 08:41:40 pm
By the way, you said in the GG Gaiden development thread that you weren't interested in translating Gaiden 2 because you don't like it at all. Is it really that bad? ;D
I don't think that GGG2 is a bad game, it just doesn't appeal to me personally. I don't like the music compared to the first Gaiden's, or the switch to the Phantasy Star II-style battle perspective. For me to be motivated to spend the countless hours necessary to fully translate a game, it has to be something that I would be excited to play through in English myself. Otherwise, I quickly lose interest.

Besides, others have shown an interest in translating Gaiden 2, and I'd like to give them the opportunity to do so.
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: Spinner 8 on June 17, 2017, 08:49:35 pm
Discussion about the ending credits, with Mr Fwibbles.

1) Original game has a bug showing them incorrectly. Mapper chr write issue. Fix here.
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=49254551122516746591

Code: [Select]
rom w/header

3e004 = fc bf
3e016 = 0d 0f

2) rom 7f000 + 10 header has specialized font. It's stored as annoying interleaved 1-bpp tiles. 2 colors = two different alphabets.

3) Bigger irritant is they are drawn as two 8x16 sprite tiles. Reusable kanji and such. To get the replacement text to fit, 8x8 English font has to be used. There's a decent # of 8x16 tiles to play around with though.


If there's someone worthy of finishing this off, please send a PM directly to Mr. Fwibbles. Only serious intent please and maybe -after- you've demonstrated that you've inserted your own replacement alphabet and overcome the technical challenge. :)

Thanks for this! I was wondering what "messed up by default" meant on the project page. :)
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: StreetTrash on June 17, 2017, 11:55:06 pm
Congrats on completing this project!
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: KingMike on June 18, 2017, 11:36:10 am
Discussion about the ending credits, with Mr Fwibbles.

1) Original game has a bug showing them incorrectly. Mapper chr write issue. Fix here.
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=49254551122516746591

I've heard about the ending being broken before.
I assumed Konami made so many VRC variations that even they got them mixed up.  ;D
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: Corvo on June 18, 2017, 07:32:46 pm
Congratulations.
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: Griever_GF on June 18, 2017, 10:23:13 pm
Hooray! At last, new turn-based JRPG translation :thumbsup:
We need more stuff like this :3
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: Googie on June 19, 2017, 03:27:18 pm
This is a cool translation, I only wish that Goemon and Ebisumaru would run while holding down the B button. :D
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: ObiKKa on June 19, 2017, 06:27:08 pm
Just a reminder that rainponcho (see above) has graciously released a fix hack (http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3494/) to enable the credits in this game to be displayed properly but the text are in Japanese. So either the translation project's leader or somebody else, as he said, can try to translate and insert the English text instead.
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: rainponcho on June 19, 2017, 09:30:53 pm
Mr. Fwibbles tried to insert but ran into the sprite text problem (reused kanji). I didn't want to do it either because .. it's hacking work. I'm sure someone will do it. Or maybe Mr. Fwibbles can add the translated names to the readme, or post them here. :)


Admittedly I didn't feel like uploading the bug fix patch - kinda small. He thought it would be a good idea for native Japanese gamers also. Which is true. I'm doing enough original game bugfixes for hack revamps or Japan ==> English translations lately. Or a couple microphone controller hacks (like Ganbare Goemon 2 nes). Maybe I should just start uploading everything sometime. Clear my drive of notes.


edit: Which reminds me. Mr. Fwibbles pointed out that there's some (original?) bugs that may happen if you have no money. Like seeing a show at the port. Might be other hidden gremlins lurking around.
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: MrFwibbles on June 19, 2017, 10:08:28 pm
Oh yeah, there are plenty of bugs in the original version of this game. I didn't introduce any (well, I did at one point, but was able to fix it). Here's the list of bugs that I remember. I asked my testers not to report them as errors with the translation patch, because I checked and encountered all of them in the official release, too: http://fwibby.16mb.com/ (http://fwibby.16mb.com/)

I don't intend to include any fixes that anyone might make for those bugs as features of this translation, as I feel that a translation should just be text edits only... with the obvious exception of fixing this game's credits.

I think that being able to see the credits is important, even if they're just in Japanese. The people that worked on this game deserve to have their names shown for their effort. As for translation, someone else already did that (http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/nes/b/goemongai1.htm (http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/nes/b/goemongai1.htm)). Note that the way their mock-ups look probably wouldn't be reproducible in the game, you'd have to make the text much smaller to get everything to fit properly.
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: aqualung on June 20, 2017, 06:31:53 am
As a temporary solution for those who have already finished the game, in vgmuseum you can watch, via screenshots, the ending:

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/nes/b/goemongai1.htm

Don't know how they did it, I suppose it's just a matter of taking screenshots and using photoshop to change the text, etc. There's also the ending, translated into english as well, for GG Gaiden II.


(note: sorry, MrFwibbles, I didn't realize that you'd already mentioned vgmuseum)

I have watched neither of them, don't want to spoil myself yet. When I complete GG Gaiden I, if there's no fix yet, I'll watch the ending there.

June 20, 2017, 06:39:28 am - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
edit: Which reminds me. Mr. Fwibbles pointed out that there's some (original?) bugs that may happen if you have no money. Like seeing a show at the port. Might be other hidden gremlins lurking around.

In case someone wants to try, in virtuanes you can change the gold value by modifying these addresses: 60EE and 60EF. Putting FF (ex. value for 255, although I think you can also enter those values in plain decimal format) in both of those addresses, you'll have 65535 gold (you can turn them to 0 from time to time to see if any of these secret events are fired, and restore your current amount of gold afterwards)
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: ObiKKa on June 20, 2017, 11:53:39 am
Oh yeah, there are plenty of bugs in the original version of this game. I didn't introduce any (well, I did at one point, but was able to fix it). Here's the list of bugs that I remember. I asked my testers not to report them as errors with the translation patch, because I checked and encountered all of them in the official release, too: http://fwibby.16mb.com/ (http://fwibby.16mb.com/)
Ah, would you want me to add that list of bugs note as a link in the Game Description sector of the relevant game here? Not sure if the moderators would allow that but it can be tried. I hope that someone can add that to the TCRF page (https://tcrf.net/Ganbare_Goemon_Gaiden).

I think that being able to see the credits is important, even if they're just in Japanese. The people that worked on this game deserve to have their names shown for their effort. As for translation, someone else already did that (http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/nes/b/goemongai1.htm (http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/nes/b/goemongai1.htm)). Note that the way their mock-ups look probably wouldn't be reproducible in the game, you'd have to make the text much smaller to get everything to fit properly.
Well, I think that translated ending credits roll page could be very useful to add on as a link to the credits fix hack page, what do you think, rainponcho?

EDIT: Well, it appears that TCRF :police: has a rule (https://tcrf.net/Help:Contents/Creating_%26_Editing_Articles#Rules) stating that no information on glitches should be added there. What a bummer. :huh:
Well, I'm just going to copy the notes in the spoiler body below here so that it doesn't get lost forever. At least you can click on the 'News Articles for this Translation' text under the Links sector in the patch page above and then go to the bracketed comments text at the bottom-right corner of the front-page news for it which leads to this thread. And then see these notes.

Spoiler:
Bugs in original game:

I discovered several bugs while playing this game, which are all in the offical release by Konami. Please don't report these to me, as I didn't introduce them and don't know how to fix them. Here are the ones I remember:

*Invisible option in shops
By playing around with the options after selling your last item in a shop, you'll sometimes discover an invisible third option. Selecting it does nothing. It's pretty harmless. There's a boss fight where Yae can sometimes target an invisible enemy too, but the game thinks the enemy is dead. You can also see this in action by selecting a Jutsu that's low on the list and trying to use it while that character's Jutsu is sealed.

*Palette glitch
If you try to see the "show" at the first port, but don't have enough money, the NPC will ask you if you enjoyed the show (despite never seeing it), then the screen will flash a few times. After this, the palette will be screwed up, and this even extends to the world map. I think it does change back eventually, but it's probably best not to mess around with this one too much.

*Scroll depth
In some parts of the game (it happened to me in Bear's Castle, but I saw it happen somewhere else in a gameplay video), the borders that are supposed to be off-screen can close in for some reason, and two thirds of the screen will be messed up. This glitch is pretty annoying in dungeons, as it can make it hard to figure out what you're looking at, but you can fix it by using a Mirror item (or Koban's Exit Jutsu) and resting at a nearby inn or food shop.

*Soft lock
In one of the last dungeons in the game, in the room where you find the "Pout Mask" key item, a softlock can occur if you walk up and down the left side of a small wall in that room until a battle is initiated. After the battle, all buttons will stop responding. This is related to the scroll depth glitch.

*Corrupt credits
The credits sequence, while short, doesn't display correctly. Again, the original game does this too. Someone did fix it once, but apparently it just broke the title screen instead.

*Item overflow (the house plant)
If you fill your inventory, then use the Item command in a battle, 3 or 4 extra items will be listed: at least one "HOUSEPLA", and 2 others (which I presume depend on what else is in your inventory). While the other items do exist in the game, "HOUSEPLA" is the result of the game looking at the incorrect dictionary and also getting the length of the text wrong. "HOUSEPLA" can be used as an item (it does moderate damage), but it isn't supposed to exist and causes a bit of strange text.

*Flickering tilesets
This happened to me in 2 places, most notably one of the tea houses. Depending on where you stand when talking to certain NPCs, some letters may appear to intermittently flash along with a junk tile from another tileset. Similarly, depending on where you stand when opening the menu in towns, some of the water tiles may temporarily turn into numbers as the menu comes up.

*Ebisumaru's here... in spirit
There are 2 sections of the game where Ebisumaru isn't supposed to be in the party. With certain combinations of enemies and enemy Jutsus, a dead Ebisumaru can sometimes show up in his slot during battles. You can't revive him to make him active. (WTF, Konami?)

- Mr Fwibbles

Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: rainponcho on June 20, 2017, 01:34:49 pm
^ Makes sense to me. Anyone can edit the project page and add any additional reference links, information, cleanups, etc. ;)
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: MrFwibbles on June 20, 2017, 06:20:41 pm
I don't mind if anyone links to my list of bugs, but just so you know, the webspace it's uploaded to is just a throwaway free account that I use when I need to host something. I don't know how long the page will be hosted for in the future. It's probably best to copy it somewhere else if you're really interested in this game and think the list is worth preserving.
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: KingMike on June 20, 2017, 08:02:45 pm
I hope that someone can add that to the TCRF page (https://tcrf.net/Ganbare_Goemon_Gaiden).
Well, I think that translated ending credits roll page could be very useful to add on as a link to the credits fix hack page, what do you think, rainponcho?
I think you may be misunderstanding the point of TCRF. It is not to catalog bugs in games.
It is catalog unused content in games, or content that was changed between revisions/regions within the same console. I think the only sort of bugs that should be reported there are the kind that made INTENDED content inaccessible.
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: Griever_GF on June 28, 2017, 11:02:48 am
My acquaintance found an untranslated text in current version - when you drop some food into the lake west of Dango, girl appears, and she says garbage phrases.
You can check it in this video: https://youtu.be/etCb-S_FbnU?t=160 (https://youtu.be/etCb-S_FbnU?t=160)
(I also mailed that info to the translators directly)
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: reyvgm on August 11, 2017, 10:50:30 pm
Oh yeah, there are plenty of bugs in the original version of this game. I didn't introduce any (well, I did at one point, but was able to fix it). Here's the list of bugs that I remember. I asked my testers not to report them as errors with the translation patch, because I checked and encountered all of them in the official release, too: http://fwibby.16mb.com/ (http://fwibby.16mb.com/)

I don't intend to include any fixes that anyone might make for those bugs as features of this translation, as I feel that a translation should just be text edits only... with the obvious exception of fixing this game's credits.

I think that being able to see the credits is important, even if they're just in Japanese. The people that worked on this game deserve to have their names shown for their effort. As for translation, someone else already did that (http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/nes/b/goemongai1.htm (http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/nes/b/goemongai1.htm)). Note that the way their mock-ups look probably wouldn't be reproducible in the game, you'd have to make the text much smaller to get everything to fit properly.

That was me.

While the english text you see on the images was added with an image editor, I did get the original Japanese text to display correctly thanks to a hack a Japanese guy named Mini4Rider did for me in 2010. I still have the .ips file is anyone wants it.
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: laputan on October 11, 2017, 08:18:43 am
Really great job, have been playing a lot of Ganbare Goemon Gaiden 2 since finding the cart randomly at a junk store.

This game can't be emulated on the mac, as the mapper isn't supported by Nestopia or openemu. Has anyone tried running on a famicom through an Everdrive?
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: KingMike on October 13, 2017, 09:44:01 pm
I don't know about openemu but I know the last official Nestopia crippled Konami VRC2/4 support (the most commonly used Konami mappers, I think) at least, allowing only recognized (unhacked Japanese) ROMs to run.
Title: Re: Translations: Ganbare Goemon Gaiden: Kieta Ougon Kiseru patch is out!
Post by: GeneralFailer on October 14, 2017, 02:35:29 am
I don't know about openemu but I know the last official Nestopia crippled Konami VRC2/4 support (the most commonly used Konami mappers, I think) at least, allowing only recognized (unhacked Japanese) ROMs to run.
That's probably because I've updated the submapper numbers in the source code to the ones that actually made it into NES 2.0 spec.