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Title: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 13, 2015, 02:35:43 am
Sorry if this is a lot to read. I want better suggestions so I've decided to explain my position in more detail than I might noramlly do for such a thread.

I've decided to get a conversation going because I've been playing a lot more PS2 lately and playing more of the Shin Megami Tensei games in recent years has made me feel like most of the RPGs I've played over the years were incredibly shallow, boring and generic. Each of those descriptions could be used for a number of things be it the combat, the story, characters, etc... I'm looking for something interesting and original. I'll use the next few paragraphs to highlight some of my biggest concerns.


Combat... I liked how in the SMT games I've played there was an obvious focus on fighting intelligently instead of "battle starts, press X/A for generic attack, next character is ready, press X/A for generic attack, etc. repeat this 10,000 times over the course of the game except for boss fights". I never want to play a game like that again and if there is a hell, I know what I'll be doing when I end up there. I like how SMT games make you pay attention to what you are doing. If you don't find the most efficient ways to kill your enemies, even the weaker ones will be ripping you to shreds in no time and you will burn through your resources at an alarming rate (assuming you don't get murdered before you get the chance). I like the challenge and I like having to use my brain.

Setting/Story... I'm getting tired of "magical fantasy worlds" and "dystopian futures". I'm not opposed to these two types but I think they're a bit obvious and played out at this point. I like how the majority of SMT games take place in what appears to be the present. The Raidou Kuzunoha games also take place in the 1930's (I believe) which is even more original IMO. It's not as obvious anyway and the early 20th century holds a special place in my imagination. EDIT: For some reason when reading this back I got to thinking of the movie "Brazil". Something like that would be a funny setting. Like the future and the past combined. Or even a game that takes place in a future that is not ruined. Or an RPG set in ancient Japan. Something other than the same basic handful of RPG settings would be nice.


Those were my biggest concerns, so now that that's out of the way I'll try to briefly mention the RPGs I have played for the PS2. So far the only ones I've played at length are: Odin Sphere, Persona 3, Persona 4, Shin Megami Tensei III, Ar Tonelico: Melody of Elemia, Dragon Quest V and Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana. I have yet to beat any of them. LOL I want to go into more detail about these but this is already getting to be a long post so I'll be as brief as possible and just let people ask questions if they are curious...

Dragon Quest V is the only DQ game I've ever liked so I'll def finish it. Not sure if I'll come back to Atelier Iris but I may continue with Ar Tonelico when I'm in the mood for basic Final Fantasy with some interesting gimmicks added on top. I'm about to finish Odin Sphere and while it is a bit repetitive I still love this game. I love 2D games and I love how this game's combat system is good about making you pay for being reckless. Plus the boss battles are super fun. I also like the efficiency of THIS game's alchemy system. There's not much that I don't like about the Shin Megami Tensei games besides Persona 3's annoying music. LOL

Odin Sphere is the only action-RPG I've mentioned but I do like them too and recently have been more interested in that type than turn-based because most of the turn-based games I've played suffer from what I mentioned in the combat paragraph. I also don't like random encounters suddenly distracting me from exploration (a problem if the devs didn't bother to program a map function).

EDIT: I forgot to mention Okami. That was a neat game. I haven't finished it yet but I def will.

Now while I am looking for suggestions for PS2 games, I do plan on getting some newer systems at some point in the future (likely a PS3) so I'll take games for other systems into consideration but for the time being those suggestions won't mean much to me.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Gideon Zhi on September 13, 2015, 03:03:01 am
First thing that comes to mind is Rogue Galaxy. It's a very active battle system, game is scifi, space pirates, etcetc. Another game you might consider is Dark Cloud 2, which is a roguelike in a steampunk setting that has you rebuilding the world Soul Blazer style.

Since you mention DQ5 I'm going to assume that either you don't have any problems playing in Japanese or you have a way of playing ISOs, via mod or via emulator. Have you considered Shadow Tower Abyss? It's sort of the final evolution of King's Field before From Software turned towards third-person (Demon's Souls).

It didn't review well, but I really enjoyed Metal Saga. If you played Metal Max Returns and liked it, chances are you'll get a lot of mileage out of Metal Saga. It doesn't drag you by the nose from place to place and leaves it to the player to find their own way in the world, and I think that perceived lack of direction is what cost it points with critics. Plus, tanks and Shiba-mounted rocket launchers.

If you like Atelier Iris, you should look into Mana Khemia. Same developer and similar in concept. Every few hours they add new functionality to the battle system which completely changes how you interact with it. Personally, I found this to be really refreshing, and it helped the game from getting stale. Plot's forgettable though.

Other potential suggestions with an unorthodox setting, less-than-braindead battle mechanics, or both:
- Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
- Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria
- Megaman X Command Mission
- Drakengard
- Orphen
- Shadow Hearts and Shadow Hearts Covenant
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: KaioShin on September 13, 2015, 03:19:54 am
I'm looking for something interesting and original.

Yeah don't play JRPGs then. I'm sorry but that's how it is. If you already played SMT3 there is not much left. I guess I can concur with Lakmir's Rogue Galaxy recommendation. Gameplay wise it's much more fun thanks to being real time action and the setting isn't overused. Also Shadow Hearts 1+2 has an amazing cast and unique story and is all around pretty great. Gameplay wise it's nothing super special though.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 13, 2015, 04:01:08 am
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First thing that comes to mind is Rogue Galaxy. It's a very active battle system, game is scifi, space pirates, etcetc. Another game you might consider is Dark Cloud 2, which is a roguelike in a steampunk setting that has you rebuilding the world Soul Blazer style.

I remember hearing about RG and thought it sounded interesting. Thanks for reminding me. I remember playing Dark Cloud 2 at some point. It seemed pretty cool and I can def see the Soul Blazer connection.

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Since you mention DQ5 I'm going to assume that either you don't have any problems playing in Japanese or you have a way of playing ISOs, via mod or via emulator. Have you considered Shadow Tower Abyss? It's sort of the final evolution of King's Field before From Software turned towards third-person (Demon's Souls).

I've got a PS2 with the door sensor rigged and Swap Magic. My collection is a mix of legit and burned discs though at this point I'll probably only buy legit copies under certain circumstances (I tend to prefer the original voice-acting for imports and this is not always a feature/option).

I don't think I've even heard of Shadow Tower Abyss. That's an interesting title.

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It didn't review well, but I really enjoyed Metal Saga. If you played Metal Max Returns and liked it, chances are you'll get a lot of mileage out of Metal Saga. It doesn't drag you by the nose from place to place and leaves it to the player to find their own way in the world, and I think that perceived lack of direction is what cost it points with critics. Plus, tanks and Shiba-mounted rocket launchers.

I remember testing out a Metal Max game on SNES just after a translation was released and thought it seemed pretty cool. I'll look into that.

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If you like Atelier Iris, you should look into Mana Khemia. Same developer and similar in concept. Every few hours they add new functionality to the battle system which completely changes how you interact with it. Personally, I found this to be really refreshing, and it helped the game from getting stale. Plot's forgettable though.

Other potential suggestions with an unorthodox setting, less-than-braindead battle mechanics, or both:
- Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
- Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria
- Megaman X Command Mission
- Drakengard
- Orphen
- Shadow Hearts and Shadow Hearts Covenant

Of these mentioned the only one I've played is Valkyrie Profile. I don't really like the art style but the game was certainly worth coming back to some time. Thanks for the recommendations.


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Yeah don't play JRPGs then. I'm sorry but that's how it is. If you already played SMT3 there is not much left.

I appreciate your brutal honesty. Sometimes people make comments like that to be dicks, but being familiar with the genre I know that your stance here is technically justifyable. LOL

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I guess I can concur with Lakmir's Rogue Galaxy recommendation. Gameplay wise it's much more fun thanks to being real time action and the setting isn't overused.

Noted.

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Also Shadow Hearts 1+2 has an amazing cast and unique story and is all around pretty great. Gameplay wise it's nothing super special though.

Okay cool. I don't recall hearing about Shadow Hearts until starting this thread but I'll look into it. Thanks for the recommendations.

I'm glad I started this thread. Some of these games I've played but forgot about and forgot that I owned one of them. LOL I can already tell this thread might become hard to keep up with. There were a lot of RPGs for the PS2 and it will take time to investigate so many games. That's a good thing though. :)
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: KaioShin on September 13, 2015, 04:07:11 am
I can already tell this thread might become hard to keep up with.

From my experience this kind of thread quickly devolves into people listing every PS2 RPG they ever heard the name of since they don't read :P I honestly hope you'll get some good recommendations instead. Though I can't think of much more and I did play through most of the PS2 JRPG library, at least the officially localized ones. Back then my standards were much lower and it was kinda the golden age of JRPG in terms of quantity and quality. Maybe that's the point I became sick of them since there was just too much :P Thinking back I played a ton of them but not too many were memorable enough to immediately pop into my head now 10 years later.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 13, 2015, 04:20:39 am
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From my experience this kind of thread quickly devolves into people listing every PS2 RPG they ever heard the name of since they don't read :P I honestly hope you'll get some good recommendations instead.

haha Yeah. I took my time with the first post hoping to get the best results. I wanted to write more but I knew the more I wrote the less people would read. Sooner or later someone is going to come in here and read only the title and then cut/paste a huge list from somewhere. I guess the "I like game X but I won't bother telling you why" is on it's way too. :)

Oh and sooner or later an arguement will break out. LOL
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Daria on September 13, 2015, 09:33:09 am
Dragon Quest V? Translated Ps2 version? Or did you mean DQ8? If you really haven't played Dragon Quest 8 you should, has the most memorable cast of characters in any DragonQuest title, is damn gorgeous, and hilarious. Still my favorite PS2 game, and like you, I don't like many.

Mana Khemia: Best Atelier game I've ever played, you attend an alchemists academy and schedule your classes. Classes consist of sending your party out on missions to gather items, craft equipment, or defeat monsters. I personally loved the level up system though, your skill tree unlocks as you craft new recipes, so the more your characters learn the stronger they become.

Phantom Brave: My favorite of the crazy NIS strategy games, I felt it had the better story but mostly I liked the fact that your armies could pick up environmental decorations and used them as weapons. I had cat men slapping around giant fish, and bird men carrying huge fir trees. Made me laugh.

Radiata Stories: Like Suikoden the fun of Radiata is tracking down all the recruit-able characters - apparently there's something like 176 different available party members. And I mean track down - game has a living universe where NPCs walk around according to their own schedules and live out their daily lives.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 13, 2015, 03:16:50 pm
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Dragon Quest V? Translated Ps2 version? Or did you mean DQ8? If you really haven't played Dragon Quest 8 you should, has the most memorable cast of characters in any DragonQuest title, is damn gorgeous, and hilarious. Still my favorite PS2 game, and like you, I don't like many.

Yeah, the DQ5 translation. Something about DQ5's story just sort of clicked for me in a way that others in the series very much have not. I've been putting off DQ8 just because while I respect the series I am not crazy about it. I'll def get around to it, but for now I'm looking for something a little less traditional than what this series tends to offer.

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Mana Khemia: Best Atelier game I've ever played, you attend an alchemists academy and schedule your classes. Classes consist of sending your party out on missions to gather items, craft equipment, or defeat monsters. I personally loved the level up system though, your skill tree unlocks as you craft new recipes, so the more your characters learn the stronger they become.

Hmm. Sounds interesting. The screenshots look interesting too.

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Phantom Brave: My favorite of the crazy NIS strategy games, I felt it had the better story but mostly I liked the fact that your armies could pick up environmental decorations and used them as weapons. I had cat men slapping around giant fish, and bird men carrying huge fir trees. Made me laugh.

That sounds pretty cool. I remember playing La Pucelle Tactics (I think they were by the same people) and thinking it was fun so I should probably give this one a shot. I don't typically like this sub-genre but I've been warming up to it a little more lately.

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Radiata Stories: Like Suikoden the fun of Radiata is tracking down all the recruit-able characters - apparently there's something like 176 different available party members. And I mean track down - game has a living universe where NPCs walk around according to their own schedules and live out their daily lives.

Oh yeeeeah... I remember this one being really funny but I only had the chance to test it out. I didn't know about all that character stuff. Sounds really cool. Yeah. This one for sure.

Thanks for the suggestions.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Daria on September 13, 2015, 04:46:56 pm
Yeah, the DQ5 translation. Something about DQ5's story just sort of clicked for me in a way that others in the series very much have not. I've been putting off DQ8 just because while I respect the series I am not crazy about it. I'll def get around to it, but for now I'm looking for something a little less traditional than what this series tends to offer.

No need to explain, DQ5 ranks among my favorites in the series. Just Until you mentioned it I didn't realize a patch had been released for the PS2 version.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 13, 2015, 04:53:02 pm
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No need to explain, DQ5 ranks among my favorites in the series. Just Until you mentioned it I didn't realize a patch had been released for the PS2 version.

If you play it don't forget to apply the supplemental bugfix patch. Otherwise you'll be like me and only be able to get so far in the game because every time you try to revive someone at the chapels the game will get caught in a loop that is inescapable. Once I figure out the proper way to patch this game I'll pick up where I left off. Until then, it's hard to play an RPG where none of your characters are allowed to die. :P
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Daria on September 13, 2015, 08:27:53 pm
If you play it don't forget to apply the supplemental bugfix patch. Otherwise you'll be like me and only be able to get so far in the game because every time you try to revive someone at the chapels the game will get caught in a loop that is inescapable. Once I figure out the proper way to patch this game I'll pick up where I left off. Until then, it's hard to play an RPG where none of your characters are allowed to die. :P

How reliable is PS2 emulation? Or is this I have to get a system modded sort of thing? The most modern game I've ever patched up till now has been PSOne.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 13, 2015, 10:36:54 pm
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How reliable is PS2 emulation? Or is this I have to get a system modded sort of thing? The most modern game I've ever patched up till now has been PSOne.

I've got a PS2 slim with the door sensor rigged to think it's always closed (I think I opened the console and put a piece of tape over it, mine was the final model so it only had one sensor instead of multiple ones) and a Swap Magic disc. If I tried to emulate a PS2 game on my laptop it would probably have a nervous breakdown. I can't even achieve stable emulation of PS1 games...

So far I haven't had any luck patching DQ5. Before I initially started playing it I couldn't get it patched properly so I downloaded a pre-patched ISO. Unfortunately it did not have the bug fixes. Now I'm forced to return to the same problem because of the revive bug... I enjoy playing on a console and TV but it sucks to have to wait for a disc to burn only to find that it was a waste of time and a DVD because it didn't patch right (and won't even load!). I hope I'm able to finish that game some day. I really liked the SNES version but I find the PS2 remake to be that much more charming.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Zynk on September 13, 2015, 11:00:11 pm
Try Grim Grimoire and play it in ENGLISH DUB (for real, JP dub here is awful). Not a RPG tho, more like strategy :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 13, 2015, 11:28:38 pm
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Try Grim Grimoire and play it in ENGLISH DUB (for real, JP dub here is awful). Not a RPG tho, more like strategy :thumbsup:

Oh yeah. :) I got that one. Tracked it down not long after I became enthralled by Odin Sphere's aesthetic and wanted more Vanillaware. Funny that I don't remember how I fealt about the voice-acting in GG. That's usually incredibly important to me because I hate how cheap the VA sounds in some games. I mean for real. Who thought Mitt Romney was good choice for Richter in SotN?
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Isao Kronos on September 13, 2015, 11:33:14 pm
yeah go play shadow hearts and rogue galaxy
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 14, 2015, 01:19:08 am
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yeah go play shadow hearts and rogue galaxy

I'm gonna try Shadow Hearts first because I like the idea of it taking place in the early 20th century.


I swear though... Doesn't Richter sound like Mitt Romney?

Richter Belmont
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlnskSFijXQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlnskSFijXQ)

vs

Mitt Romney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9s_piBO3o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9s_piBO3o)

Romneyvania...
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Avicalendriya on September 14, 2015, 03:07:28 am
Holy crap. Glad I played the import when it was released.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SCD on September 14, 2015, 03:40:55 am
Heroes of Might and Magic: Quest for the Dragon Bone Staff is a pretty good RPG game you should check out. Me and my older brother like it because it's a remake of one of our favorite Sega Genesis games, King's Bounty.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Bahamut ZERO on September 14, 2015, 03:02:08 pm
I'd reccomend Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits. It's a bit more strategy than Rpg, but it fuses the two together in a way that is quite awesome. Battles aren't grid-based like a tactics game, instead you have a range that you can freely move your characters around in. You get techniques that have area effects or can go in a straight line ala Chrono Trigger.

Story-wise, it feels a tiny bit generic (mostly due to how you're first main character is initially presented.) but it picks up pretty fast and becomes very addictive. It has a mix of steampunkishness and darker environments, and you switch back and forth between main characters. There's also some legitamite plot twist that you won't see coming (well, at least I didn't see them coming.)



Also, Dragon Quest 8 is certainly a must play if you enjoy DQ5. It feels like you're literally exploring a planet, and the characters/environments look like Toriyama's artwork come to life. It's  mindblowing the first time you see some of the things for the first time in that game, like realizing that you can actually see your characters fighting the monsters (not sure if the PS2 version of DQ5 does this). I believe there's also a sort of crafting system in the game, and the voice acting is some of the best I've heard in ages. and apes a good number of PS3 Rpgs  (I'm looking at you, Star Ocean 4 International)



Both Dark Cloud and Dark Cloud 2 are fantastic Soul blazer/Roguelike hybrids. I'd love to get ahold of DC2 so I could play more than the beginning area, but I can vouch for the first one all day. :) You get special rewards if you arrange the towns how the villagers like (or force woman A to live by pervert B just for the fun of it!). You can upgrade your weapons, level them up as well if I recall correctly. The first Dark Cloud also sports  weapon durability, a thirst gauge, and the ability to run around towns/inside of buildings in first person (which blew my mind back in the day). Dark Cloud 2 may also have these, but I haven't played enough of it to say either way.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 15, 2015, 02:18:58 am
Due to annoying circumstances I was not able to try out Shadow Hearts so since I already had Mana Khemia ready to go I tried it. I found myself laughing out loud within the first few minutes because of something the cat said. I never would have seen that one coming. :) I played it for about an hour and half before I finally got tired and had to go to bed (not because it was a JRPG, fufufu...).

Just like with Persona 3+4, I like the whole "going to school and having a schedule" thing with a home base that you keep returning to. I find that refreshing for a genre where you more often find yourself wandering from place to place until the game is finished. The battle system feels VERY quick for a turn-based RPG. I'm loving that. I also like how the main character seems like he in a fog the whole time. That's a refreshing change of pace from the ususal "arrogant tough guy".

So far I'm actually enjoying it a lot more than the other Gust/NIS games I've played (which I have yet to finish). You can def tell it's the same developer. It had the same style of graphics, music, characters, etc. It even had some of the same sound fx. The atmosphere isn't really what I was looking for, but at the same time I'm kind of a sucker for the whole "cute and fun" thing it's got going on. Like with the other games these guys have made, much of the characters and music is kinda funny, like it borders on parody or something. I'm also a sucker for that sort of thing (Carranger, Akibaranger). Mana Khemia has not disappointed.

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Holy crap. Glad I played the import when it was released.

Yeah I don't think it's even possible for the voice-acting to be any worse than it is. I would say if they had used kids or something but then that wouldn't just be a problem with VA, it would be a problem with casting. :P

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Heroes of Might and Magic: Quest for the Dragon Bone Staff is a pretty good RPG game you should check out.

You know, I don't think I've ever even heard of that one. That's why I like these threads. :)

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Both Dark Cloud and Dark Cloud 2 are fantastic Soul blazer/Roguelike hybrids.

I've played it before but it was just a quick test run. It was def worth going back to though.

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Also, Dragon Quest 8 is certainly a must play if you enjoy DQ5.

I've heard good things about it so once I can get DQ5 patched correctly and finish it I'll move straight on to 8.

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I'd reccomend Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits. It's a bit more strategy than Rpg, but it fuses the two together in a way that is quite awesome. Battles aren't grid-based like a tactics game, instead you have a range that you can freely move your characters around in. You get techniques that have area effects or can go in a straight line ala Chrono Trigger.

That sounds cool. I always liked that about CT. If you just take an extra second to think about who or how you are going to attack you can get more bang for your buck and end the battle(s) quicker. Seems like there's a lack of that sort of versatility with attacks in a lot of RPG battles.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: obscurumlux01 on September 15, 2015, 03:22:59 pm

Other potential suggestions with an unorthodox setting, less-than-braindead battle mechanics, or both:
- Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
- Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria

I seriously hope you're joking with that god-awful BoF:DQ suggestion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhv23dpvLeU).  The person wanted suggestions, not trolling.

Also the game is called Valkyrie Profile II: Silmeria on PS2.  The original Valkyrie Profile I was released for the Playstation 1.

My suggestions list; UNDUB means that the standard English dub was replaced with Japanese voices due to terrible English voice acting
Dot Hack & Dot Hack GU series
Dragon Quest V
Dragon Quest VIII
Drakengard 1 UNDUB
Drakengard 2 UNDUB
FF10 International UNDUB (has bonus content)
FF12 International Zodiac Job Edition (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=10039.0) (with english patch by ffgriever (http://psx-scene.com/forums/f164/ff12-international-zodiac-job-system-english-conversion-62222/) that really should be hosted here on RHDN if possible)
Grandia 2
Grandia 3
ICO
Kingdom Hearts 1 - Final Mix
Kingdom Hearts 2 - Final Mix Plus
Odin Sphere
Persona 3 FES UNDUB
Persona 4 UNDUB
Phantasy Star Generations 1 (with English Patch (http://www.kyence.net/PS1G1/))
Phantasy Star Generations 2 (with English Patch coming soon-ish...under 6 months from now)
Rogue Galaxy
Shadow Hearts 1 UNDUB
Shadow Hearts 2 UNDUB
Shadow Hearts 3 UNDUB
Shin Megami Tensei - Devil Summoner - Raidou Kuzunoha vs. the Soulless Army
Shin Megami Tensei - Nocturne
Shin Megami Tensei - Digital Devil Saga 1
Shin Megami Tensei - Digital Devil Saga 2
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time UNDUB
Xenosaga 1
Xenosaga 2
Xenosaga 3
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: tryphon on September 15, 2015, 03:38:32 pm
You should watch your language. Gideon Zhi is not a troll, I can assure you. You may have different tastes. I recommand you reformulate your message before moderation notices :)
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: obscurumlux01 on September 15, 2015, 03:52:33 pm
You should watch your language. Gideon Zhi is not a troll, I can assure you. You may have different tastes. I recommand you reformulate your message before moderation notices :)

If we have different tastes, then Gideon's tastes are garbage.  They're the last person that should be making 'suggestions' to others.
It is the equivalent of a person asking for NES game recommendations and being recommended 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde'.  It is a troll recommendation of a garbage game; it has no redeeming qualities except perhaps as a learning experience for game designers in WHAT NOT TO DO.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: tryphon on September 15, 2015, 04:04:14 pm
Phantasy Star Generations 2 (with English Patch coming soon-ish...under 6 months from now)

Maybe more, maybe less  :P
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 15, 2015, 04:13:51 pm
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I seriously hope you're joking with that god-awful BoF:DQ suggestion.  The person wanted suggestions, not trolling.

I thought it sounded pretty interesting. Sounded like they were tired of retreading the same ground and wanted to inject some freshness into the series.

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Also the game is called Valkyrie Profile II: Silmeria on PS2.  The original Valkyrie Profile I was released for the Playstation 1.
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If we have different tastes, then Gideon's tastes are garbage.  They're the last person that should be making 'suggestions' to others.

You wake up on the wrong side of the bed, fella? I wanted to get suggestions for good RPGs, not to watch people fight for no reason. Your tone here is a bit bratty and hostile.

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haha Yeah. I took my time with the first post hoping to get the best results. I wanted to write more but I knew the more I wrote the less people would read. Sooner or later someone is going to come in here and read only the title and then cut/paste a huge list from somewhere. I guess the "I like game X but I won't bother telling you why" is on it's way too. :)

Oh and sooner or later an arguement will break out. LOL

Thanks for some more suggestions though. Also, I too am a big fan of undubs. Terrible voice-acting totally kills the experience for me.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: obscurumlux01 on September 15, 2015, 04:22:20 pm
But that was my point.  BoF:DQ is not an example of a good RPG.  It isn't even particularly competent except that it is a game that has RPG mechanics and a leveling system.  It fails in nearly every other possible way.  It is not fun, engaging, or enjoyable whatsoever.  It is a masochistic game for people with bad taste or who love to torture themselves with bad game design.  It isn't even good like Dark Souls or other 'awesome-hard' games.  It is just garbage by comparison.

Since you wanted recommendations specifically for 'good RPGs' then that recommendation was indeed a troll suggestion.  BoF:DQ is a waste of time to play or bother with unless you are a game designer trying to learn what NOT to do; the game is not worth the disc it is printed on.  I'd rather you spent your money on far better games that deserve it and all the ones that I mentioned are worth your time and money.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Gideon Zhi on September 15, 2015, 05:06:44 pm
But that was my point.  BoF:DQ is not an example of a good RPG.  It isn't even particularly competent except that it is a game that has RPG mechanics and a leveling system.  It fails in nearly every other possible way.  It is not fun, engaging, or enjoyable whatsoever.  It is a masochistic game for people with bad taste or who love to torture themselves with bad game design.  It isn't even good like Dark Souls or other 'awesome-hard' games.  It is just garbage by comparison.

git gud

In all seriousness, I had a lot of fun with Dragon Quarter. I didn't end up replaying it to see how the story fleshes out as your D-rank increases, but contrary to popular belief you absolutely do not have to grind restarts in order to make it through. It took me maybe four or five total attempts over a period of several years with long breaks in between; when I did make it through, I'd done so only having used a single restart (that one early on) and my D-ratio was 1/16. The game encourages a careful approach to its random encounters and measured use of the resources available to you, and its setting is very much outside of the standard boxes most games find themselves occupying; these were the criteria specified by SunGodPortal in the opening post, so it seemed like a good suggestion. Most of the people I've seen who don't like Dragon Quarter approach it from the numbers-go-up school of powerleveling and decided that they had to use restarts to get their characters to a good place if they wanted to have any hope of making it out to see the sky, when that's really not the sort of game it is. After an hour or two, I'd "solved" the game - that is, I'd figured out exactly how best to approach combat to maximize my chances of survival and minimize my resource expenditure. Have you actually played it?

All that said, if you're going to insult my tastes, I'd appreciate it if you'd have concrete examples to back up your claims; "it's garbage" is hardly constructive, and the guy in the video review you've linked was fairly obviously approaching the game from the wrong perspective. I can't entirely fault this, as the four prior games in the franchse are about numbers-go-up and powerleveling. But Dragon Quarter is as much about power-leveling as Frog Fractions is about catching airborne bugs and solving math problems.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 15, 2015, 05:38:55 pm
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The game encourages a careful approach to its random encounters and measured use of the resources available to you, and its setting is very much outside of the standard boxes most games find themselves occupying; these were the criteria specified by SunGodPortal in the opening post, so it seemed like a good suggestion.

This for sure. I was becoming bored with turn-based RPGs and then I played a few Shin Megami Tensei games. Not only did it reinvigorate my interest in the genre, it also ruined just about any game that has grinding and/or battles that can be lazily coasted through on auto pilot. SMT games pretty much FORCE you to not take any battles lightly until you are absolutely certain that there is little to no chance for you to lose*. You MUST focus on enemy weaknesses. You MUST focus more on demon/persona fusing and it's benefits rather than standard leveling. Levels and equipment are important too, but they take a back seat to those things. The bread and butter of many RPGs is trivialized by this series in both it's gameplay (due to it's depth) and atmosphere (due to it's originality). It has made me demand much more from my RPGs.

*I like how they almost always come with an "auto" function for battle. I say that because with these games that feels like a joke. Choosing "auto" will either get you slaughtered or result in a ton of resources being squandered. I wish the boring RPGs had auto functions...

UPDATE: 9/16/15
Additional comments about Mana Khemia.

-I like the idea of spreading rumors even existing in the game. Sounds fun.
-I like how the traditional leveling system has been replaced by AP and the Grow Book (though it's a little confusing)
-The assignments are fun and the way the game is setup makes them feel like more than just a bunch of boring fetch quests (they're fun fetch quests with more interesting implications than usual).
-I like that the battles are not random encounters (I'm so sick of that!!!) because these days it takes a REALLY good game to make REs tolerable for me.
-I like how your assignments seem to only require you to explore so much of a dungeon, leaving more for you to explore later (keeps me curious).
-It's actually more challenging than I thought it would be having played some of NIS's other turn-based RPGs for PS2, which didn't feel very challenging other than the amount of thought and research it took to get my head wrapped around their crafting systems.
-I like the card system in the corner of the battle screen. It's nice to know the order of events so that you can plan accordingly rather than simply having to guess.
-I LOVED how the students performing in the music room sounded awful. Little things like that make this and some of NIS's other games so charming :)
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 17, 2015, 09:54:09 am
*bursts through the wall*

Did someone mention PS2 RPGs????

I'm not going to get defensive about BOF 5---I personally hated it (I like my BoF more traditional), but if you want something different, I can confirm it is definitely that!  Unlike Gideon, I did replay it a number of times (even getting the mythical "Dragon 1/4" for my ratio), and he's totally right, you do NOT need to power level at all (and really, even if you did, it's super inefficient to outside of one of the final battles).  If you setup your characters appropriately and don't squander resources, you can make it through fine.  The first run will be a bit rough, but if you do a new game + (which at higher ratios unlock extra areas and cutscenes) it gets much, MUCH easier.  If you'd like to totally blow the doors off your new game +, I can definitely suggest how to most efficiently farm experience, if you're interested.  And before anyone blasts me for playing through a game multiple times that I disliked--I love BoF, and I assumed I'd get some sort of better ending with a low D ratio....but I did not.  Disappointing, but not as disappointing as Grandia 3 (I would seriously advise not playing G3 in the strongest possible terms).

I see a lot of my favorites are already mentioned here (DQ8, Grandia 2, Valkyrie Profile, SO3, and thank god someone mentioned the Phantasy Star 2 remake, because I am jacked about that).    I do have a few suggestions I don't think have been mentioned yet.

--The Bard's Tale-->  While it has the traditional fantasy setting and is a bit hack and slash, everyone should play this game just for the dialogue, as the game basically plays as a parody of every RPG ever, with a great ending to boot.  You will thank me later.

--Kings Field: Ancient City-->  Again, kind of traditional medieval setting, but the mood and setting are amazing.  Basically, King's field games were the real precursurs to Dark Souls, only they're first person, and this is by far the best one.  You will find a lot of challenge and a really great pseudo-horror feel in this game for sure.

--Suikoden 5-->  This has much more of an oriental feel to it, but there is plenty of fantasy stuff here too.  If you've played a past Suikoden, you know what to expect--108 Stars of Destiny, previous game cameos, story hemming somewhat close to "The Bandits of the Marsh" (the Chinese story, not the game), but generally kick ass everything.  Battles are turn-based, but pretty strategic, and while it's not my favorite Suikoden, it's still damn great.  And it's got Georg f---ing Prime.  'nuff said.

--Romancing SaGa: Minstrels Song-->  This is a remake of the SNES version of RS1, and it improves everything in most every way.  Some of the mechanics are frustrating (Event/Battle Ranks especially), but it is difficult in a good way, and completely satisfying when you succeed.

--Radiata Stories-->  This game may not be "OMG GREAT" good, but I like it.  The story is kind of all right, and it has a Star Ocean-lite battle system, but I liked the pseudo-humorous atmosphere, and a lot of the open-worldish stuff you could do.  There are also a ton of playable characters (not 108, but still), and the requisite Tri-Ace postgame guantlet.  If you want some simple RPG fun, I always like this one.

FYI, before I get raked over the coals--this is all MY OPINION.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 17, 2015, 04:06:30 pm
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--Romancing SaGa: Minstrels Song-->  This is a remake of the SNES version of RS1, and it improves everything in most every way.  Some of the mechanics are frustrating (Event/Battle Ranks especially), but it is difficult in a good way, and completely satisfying when you succeed.

I remember playing this one before. It's hard to put my finger on it, but something about it was just so off-putting for me. I'll probably stick with the SNES version.

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--The Bard's Tale-->  While it has the traditional fantasy setting and is a bit hack and slash, everyone should play this game just for the dialogue, as the game basically plays as a parody of every RPG ever, with a great ending to boot.  You will thank me later.

Hmm. I'm intrigued. I'll look into this one later.

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--Kings Field: Ancient City-->  Again, kind of traditional medieval setting, but the mood and setting are amazing.  Basically, King's field games were the real precursurs to Dark Souls, only they're first person, and this is by far the best one.  You will find a lot of challenge and a really great pseudo-horror feel in this game for sure.

Until starting this conversation I don't think that I had ever heard of King's Field. Now that I've taken notice there seem to be a number of people who really like this series. The list of games to try only grows longer. :)

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--Suikoden 5-->  This has much more of an oriental feel to it, but there is plenty of fantasy stuff here too.  If you've played a past Suikoden, you know what to expect--108 Stars of Destiny, previous game cameos, story hemming somewhat close to "The Bandits of the Marsh" (the Chinese story, not the game), but generally kick ass everything.  Battles are turn-based, but pretty strategic, and while it's not my favorite Suikoden, it's still damn great.  And it's got Georg f---ing Prime.  'nuff said.

I've never played ANY Suikoden game but I'm curious to see what Konami's idea of an RPG is. I love Castlevania and Goemon (though that's not what I'll expect here).

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I'm not going to get defensive about BOF 5---I personally hated it (I like my BoF more traditional), but if you want something different, I can confirm it is definitely that!  Unlike Gideon, I did replay it a number of times (even getting the mythical "Dragon 1/4" for my ratio), and he's totally right, you do NOT need to power level at all (and really, even if you did, it's super inefficient to outside of one of the final battles).  If you setup your characters appropriately and don't squander resources, you can make it through fine.  The first run will be a bit rough, but if you do a new game + (which at higher ratios unlock extra areas and cutscenes) it gets much, MUCH easier.  If you'd like to totally blow the doors off your new game +, I can definitely suggest how to most efficiently farm experience, if you're interested.  And before anyone blasts me for playing through a game multiple times that I disliked--I love BoF, and I assumed I'd get some sort of better ending with a low D ratio....but I did not.  Disappointing, but not as disappointing as Grandia 3 (I would seriously advise not playing G3 in the strongest possible terms).

There have been a number of things I've liked in BoF games but none of the games themselves ever really grabbed me, so the fact that this one sounds and looks so different is very intriguing to me.

Just because I've got another chance to say it here, now that I'm getting used to it more I can't get over how cute and fun Mana Khemia is. Upon starting this thread I was looking for something more gritty, dark and realistic (probably more scifi than fantasy) but as stated before I'm a bit of a sucker for cuteness.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Gideon Zhi on September 17, 2015, 08:20:20 pm
(...Grandia 2, SO3, ...)

I avoided mentioning Grandia 2 because it's available on multiple platforms (including just recently Windows/Steam in an HD remastery way) and the PS2 is easily the worst of these. Also because the plot and setting are fairly pedestrian. Great battle system though. I'd also recommend against SO3; the battle system is fun but holy crap the plot is dumb as hell, especially at the very end.

I actually recommend Shadow Tower Abyss over any/all King's Field entires, if only because it's the only From Software game cut from that particular mold that allows you "standard" FPS controls where look is mapped to the right stick and forward/back/strafe is mapped to the left. If you can (learn to) deal with lateral movement and vertical camera adjustment being mapped to L/R triggers, by all means look into KF, but I'm used to standard FPS and I've so far found the controls to be prohibitively awkward.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: vivify93 on September 17, 2015, 08:35:42 pm
I can vouch for Breath of Fire V actually being a really interesting and fun RPG. Gideon has it right, the game is more about strategy than straight grinding.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 17, 2015, 10:49:23 pm
I avoided mentioning Grandia 2 because it's available on multiple platforms (including just recently Windows/Steam in an HD remastery way) and the PS2 is easily the worst of these. Also because the plot and setting are fairly pedestrian. Great battle system though. I'd also recommend against SO3; the battle system is fun but holy crap the plot is dumb as hell, especially at the very end.

I actually recommend Shadow Tower Abyss over any/all King's Field entires, if only because it's the only From Software game cut from that particular mold that allows you "standard" FPS controls where look is mapped to the right stick and forward/back/strafe is mapped to the left. If you can (learn to) deal with lateral movement and vertical camera adjustment being mapped to L/R triggers, by all means look into KF, but I'm used to standard FPS and I've so far found the controls to be prohibitively awkward.

I definitely agree with you on the PS2 version of Grandia 2--it was the only one I had access to when I played it, but the slowdown was brutal in a few parts.  I did actually enjoy the plot quite a bit though.  I thought the big stuff was relatively well done (especially the whole religion angle), and G2's big plot twist is one of my favorites.  I am definitely with you on the battle system, G2's is probably my favorite iteration of the hybrid system Grandias use.

SO3 is probably my 3rd favorite SO game, for the big reason you mentioned.  Actually, if you pay really close attention to the dialogue, you can completely tell they wanted to make a totally different game at one point that probably would've been more akin to SO2, but I think they realized they were already at 2 discs for a PS2 game and just said "f--- it, let's go with that one idea we came up with over drinks".  I really love the game systems a lot though, which is why I still play/recommend it.

I've actually never heard of Shadow Tower Abyss--and I thought I'd sniffed out all those types of games over the years!  I'll definitely look at that one!
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Gideon Zhi on September 17, 2015, 11:13:14 pm
I've actually never heard of Shadow Tower Abyss--and I thought I'd sniffed out all those types of games over the years!  I'll definitely look at that one!

Best I can tell, prior to Demon's Souls, From had three distinct branches of games. King's Field is of course the central pillar, and there are four of these (the US got KF2 and 3 as KF 1 and 2). Shadow Tower and Shadow Tower Abyss are darker, though they're still basicall the same engine. King's Field is to Dark Souls as Shadow Tower is to Bloodborne, I guess? Eternal Ring is the third, and it's apparently more action-oriented than King's Field or Shadow Tower, but I can't really comment as Abyss is the only game of the seven that I've played to any appreciable extent.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 17, 2015, 11:44:36 pm
Best I can tell, prior to Demon's Souls, From had three distinct branches of games. King's Field is of course the central pillar, and there are four of these (the US got KF2 and 3 as KF 1 and 2). Shadow Tower and Shadow Tower Abyss are darker, though they're still basicall the same engine. King's Field is to Dark Souls as Shadow Tower is to Bloodborne, I guess? Eternal Ring is the third, and it's apparently more action-oriented than King's Field or Shadow Tower, but I can't really comment as Abyss is the only game of the seven that I've played to any appreciable extent.

Yeah, Shadow Tower looks like the same format as KF, and the same kind of setting.  It looks like the Shadow Tower games released after KF games on their respective systems, so maybe that accounts for the controls being different?  They look graphically a bit better than their KF counterparts too.  If I ever get a computer that's able to run a PS2 emulator, I'd really like to try it now!

Eternal Ring...I don't really think is worth playing.  It's kind of like KF-lite, and not in a good way.  The mood is definitely missing, and that's one of my favorite parts of KF--if you find KF too difficult though, it's probably a good way to kind of put the training wheels on so-to-speak.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: I.S.T. on September 18, 2015, 12:35:27 am
Best I can tell, prior to Demon's Souls, From had three distinct branches of games. King's Field is of course the central pillar, and there are four of these (the US got KF2 and 3 as KF 1 and 2). Shadow Tower and Shadow Tower Abyss are darker, though they're still basicall the same engine. King's Field is to Dark Souls as Shadow Tower is to Bloodborne, I guess? Eternal Ring is the third, and it's apparently more action-oriented than King's Field or Shadow Tower, but I can't really comment as Abyss is the only game of the seven that I've played to any appreciable extent.

You forgetting Armored Core? :P

Edit: also, Bard's Tale is on PC in a nice port that includes the original three games if you're curious about those.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Gideon Zhi on September 18, 2015, 12:44:03 am
You forgetting Armored Core? :P

Absolutely not, but Armored Core is hardly an RPG! I'm focusing purely on From's RPG line.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: dougeff on September 18, 2015, 01:03:48 pm
I agree with obscurumlux01's list of good RPGs. All the games I would mention are on it.

I couldn't really get into Suikoden 5. I quit playing after an hour or so and never got back to it.

(Re: Kings Field: Ancient City) I played the original Kings Field on PS1 and really didn't like it, so haven't played any of the sequels.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Daria on September 23, 2015, 10:33:06 pm
Due to annoying circumstances I was not able to try out Shadow Hearts so since I already had Mana Khemia ready to go I tried it. I found myself laughing out loud within the first few minutes because of something the cat said. I never would have seen that one coming. :) I played it for about an hour and half before I finally got tired and had to go to bed (not because it was a JRPG, fufufu...).

Just like with Persona 3+4, I like the whole "going to school and having a schedule" thing with a home base that you keep returning to. I find that refreshing for a genre where you more often find yourself wandering from place to place until the game is finished. The battle system feels VERY quick for a turn-based RPG. I'm loving that. I also like how the main character seems like he in a fog the whole time. That's a refreshing change of pace from the ususal "arrogant tough guy".

So far I'm actually enjoying it a lot more than the other Gust/NIS games I've played (which I have yet to finish). You can def tell it's the same developer. It had the same style of graphics, music, characters, etc. It even had some of the same sound fx. The atmosphere isn't really what I was looking for, but at the same time I'm kind of a sucker for the whole "cute and fun" thing it's got going on. Like with the other games these guys have made, much of the characters and music is kinda funny, like it borders on parody or something. I'm also a sucker for that sort of thing (Carranger, Akibaranger). Mana Khemia has not disappointed.

I know, I have awesome taste. :P

Just glad you like it.

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--The Bard's Tale-->  While it has the traditional fantasy setting and is a bit hack and slash, everyone should play this game just for the dialogue, as the game basically plays as a parody of every RPG ever, with a great ending to boot.  You will thank me later.

YES! I actually forgot this was on PS2 as I have the Xbox version but the game is absolutely hilarious. The Bard is voiced by Cary Elwes (Princess Bride, Robin Hood Men in Tights) and his commentary on the generic RPG tropes going on around him is priceless. Gameplay wise it's another Champions of Norrath Engine game (so like the console Baldur's Gate or Diablo in general). Also the songs are pretty catchy.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 23, 2015, 11:59:08 pm
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The Bard is voiced by Cary Elwes (Princess Bride, Robin Hood Men in Tights) and his commentary on the generic RPG tropes going on around him is priceless.

Oh man. I don't know how many times I've watched those and Hot Shots especially. I HAVE to play this.

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Gameplay wise it's another Champions of Norrath Engine game (so like the console Baldur's Gate or Diablo in general).

That's cool. I've played Baldur's Gate anyway. I'll probably put this next on my PS2 list. The past few days I've gotten side-tracked digging for PS1 games with 2D/sprite based cartoonish graphics. Basically PS1 games that look like suped up SNES games. :)
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 24, 2015, 07:47:57 pm
There are few video games that have literally made me laugh while playing them---The Bards Tale made me do so repeatedly.  IMO the gameplay gets pretty repetitive near the end, but yes, it is definitely worth all your attention when you get to it SGP.

If you'd like some predominantly (because there weren't a whole lot that didn't use some kind of 3D something in their games) 2D PS1 games, I can definitely recommend a few of those too, but I'll hold off since this is technically the PS2 thread.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 24, 2015, 08:54:59 pm
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If you'd like some predominantly (because there weren't a whole lot that didn't use some kind of 3D something in their games) 2D PS1 games, I can definitely recommend a few of those too, but I'll hold off since this is technically the PS2 thread.

That would be cool. If we need an excuse we can say "Well, you can play them on a PS2". :P Suggestions welcome. Part of the reason why I'm focusing on 2D games is because for the longest time I wanted to try Chrono Cross but when I finally did it was just so hideous I couldn't look at it. Gave me flashbacks of the late 90's when I stopped paying attention to new games because they were all so ugly. There are late NES games that look less dated a lot of PS1/N64 games.

Anyway, I found a bunch of blank CDs when rifling through my junk room and since I listen to most of my music via my laptop or MP3 player these days I figured I'd use them for all the PS1 games I missed out on. I never knew it was SO easy to get them to play on my PS2 slim. It's shocking.

So far I've been replaying Castlevania: Symphony of the Night via the translation of the Japanese version. That's not really an RPG but it is 2D. I actually still have my legit copy SotN (it leaves only after I'm dead) but I wanted to play the JP version to spice things up. Castlevania Chronicles is fun too. That game doesn't seem near as hard as people say it is. Then again, I'm a Castlevania maniac.

I've also been playing Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure (I know, I know... Go easy on me.) and while it's way too easy (might try the hard setting) it is nice to look at and has very entertaining dialogue.

Last night I discovered a strategy-RPG called Saiyuki - Journey West and tried it just a little. Seems cool so far. I like the story.

Used to have Final Fantasy Origins so I went ahead and burned that. I hated the SNES ports for PS1 though (FF IV, V, VI, Chrono Trigger). Load times where they previously did not exist is like nails on a chalkboard.

There's supposed to be a Nage Libre game for PS1 but I have yet to track it down. Neither it or the SNES entry made it to the west but I've played the SNES version and it's simple enough to play without a translation. It's a strategy game where all of your units are school girls. It's so cool. Your unit type is determined by school clubs. Some girls attack with basketballs, bookbags, tennis balls, etc. I love that sort of quirkiness.

This post is getting long so I'll just end it here.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 24, 2015, 10:38:30 pm
I too have a legit disc-copy of SotN.  I'm not going to be buried with it, but I definitely was stunned to find it at a local used game store.  And you will get no judgement from me about Rhapsody--I strongly considered playing it once, but I think I got sidetracked by something else.  I'll admit to playing Eternal Sonata, and enjoying it a lot if it makes you feel better.  I also hated Chrono Cross, but mostly because the music was generally awful and you really couldn't understand the plot even with the "good" ending.  I'm down fr some complex story, but they went way over that line and made it too convoluted to follow IMO.

As to (mostly) 2D PS1 games:

Breath of Fire 3/4--> BoF3 is most people's series Favorite (except Gideon and myself, obviously).  The dragon transformations and class system are probably the best in the series, but the plot goes south near the end.  BoF4 is a good, solid, traditional RPG, but it just never felt very much like a BoF to me.  There is a plot twist that is really, really well done, but I play it as if it has no real relation to other BoF games, because it really doesn't.

Valkyrie Profile-->  This is probably one of the few games I enjoy the voice acting for (just youtube some of the VA clips, especially Lezard), and that includes more modern games.  VP has a unique take on Nordic mythology, and has a number of gameplay elements I really like.  It also has one of the best difficulty settings on any RPG I've played.  Higher difficulties mean less experience per battle, but you get access to more areas with potentially better equipment.  There is no reason to play this game on something other than High difficulty settings.

Star Ocean:  The Second Story-->  While not the true Action RPG the later games are, this is by far my favorite SO game.  The game systems are great, and I personally like the story a lot.  I think the PSP version may be SLIGHTLY better, but I'm a real sucker for some of the cheesy in-battle VA work.

Grandia--> A lot of people like this game better than its sequel, but I'm not quite in that camp.  The game is pretty good, with a unique leveling and battle system, but the plot kind of wanders a lot during the first part of the game, and there's some heavy-handed melodrama near the end.  All said though, most of the meat of the plot is good, and it's really worth playing--again, there are some very worthy cheesy VA lines (almost everything from Gadwin, especially his "Dragon King Slice" line").

Tales of Destiny 2/Tales of Eternia : These are the same game, but when it first came out, NB ran into copyright issues with the He-Man people, so they change the name.  This is probably my favorite Tales game--the battle system is the 2D action line system (or whatever they call it), and the artwork throughout is easily some of the best on the PS1.  The story I think is underrated, and the game can be quite difficult at times if you don't know what you're doing.  Definitely worth your time.

FF Tactics--> Now, I don't like this game nearly as much as some people (It steals a ton from Tactics Ogre, I pretty much hate the plot, and the ending is godawful), but this is THE strategy RPG IMO.  This game basically spoiled me, and I can't really play many other SRPG's anymore thanks to how great the systems in this one are.  Play it if you haven't, and you definitely won't regret (most of) it.

Lunar/Lunar 2-->OK, I may get some hate for these, because they're so linear, but I really liked them both.  The plot is a little weaker in 2, but I like the battle systems in both, and really, the music is pretty great in both as well.  I just think they're solid, well-crafted games that everyone who likes RPG's should play.

SaGa Frontier 2-->Not my favorite in the series, but the battles play out similarly to other SaGa games.  There are a few different ways to spark skills in this one though, and it's not quite open world like some of the other games, but the art style is great, and there are some very memorable parts to the game.  It's a bit of an unconventional SaGa (but not even close to Unlimited, so don't worry), but I think it's worth a try for sure.

Suikoden 1/2-->  These copies are the Crown Jewels of my PS1 collection.  I probably consider these the best games I've ever played (especially 2), and I really think everyone should play them at least once.  Both plots, again, hem close to the 108 stars and "Bandits of the Marsh" story structure with some modifications.  S1 is much more Asian in theme than 2 (which is more European IMO), and both tell stories that are absolutely worth experiencing.  I am man enough to admit I teared up a few times in both games--the only real negative to these games IMO are the war games, which are much better done in 5.  Still, for PS1 games, these 2 games are close to perfect.

I know others will mention a few games I left out (Dragon Quest 7 and Xenogears, among others), but I won't lie, I pretty much despise DQ7 and XG.  I'll save the dissertation for some other time, but I personally cannot recommend them.  *braces for incoming hate parade*
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 25, 2015, 02:43:31 am
Thanks for the suggestions. :)

Suikoden: I've wanted to play I or II for a long time but copies of these are just too expensive for some old game on a type of media that costs next to nothing to manufacture (CDs). Games like this and VP are prime examples of why I feel no shame in pirating old games. I can remember buying Chrono Trigger used in the late 90's for $20. Forget that these days. Everything is "RARE" despite 50+ copies being available at all times.

Valkyrie Profile: This I have also wanted to play for a long time and have not for the same reason above yet I won't be paying $70-150 for it. I wonder how much 2 blank CDs and enough Sharpie ink to write the titles are worth? heh heh I guess I really shouldn't brag about pirating. Feels kinda funny. Anyway, I had a particular interest in this one since lately I've been trying to find as many good games as I can with female leads. Gaming is a total sausage-fest.

BoF III-IV: These will prob be at the back of the line. I never was too crazy about BoF and what has been described about BoF V sounds much more interesting to me.

Star Ocean/Final Fantasy Tactics: They look cool and I know they'll have cool music. I like Sakuraba and Sakimoto both.

Grandia/SaGa Frontier 2: I know nothing about these and have heard very little about them so I guess I'm just going to have to try them.

Tales of Destiny 2/Eternia: Just burned it last night. Haven't had a chance to try it yet but I like the style of this series.

Lunar: Again, I know nothing about this one but the screenshots looked very SNES-like so I'm on board.

I've never played Xenogears but you're not alone with regard to DQVII. ;) I never finished it and my copy collected so much dust before I finally threw it out while cleaning because I was just tired of looking at it. Guess I could have sold it since it's "RARE". LOL

Since you mentioned VA... While playing the original Japanese version of SotN I feel that the acting itself is better but the actual voices of the actors in the domestic release I think are more fitting for the characters. To me, Maria doesn't look like she sounds. She looks European yet sounds 110% Japanese, character-wise. And the voice of Alucard in the US version sounds like a guy you wouldn't want to mess with. Alucard in the JP version sounds a little wimpy. Not manly enough. I bet he checks his hair a lot. LOL

Oh yeah. I wasn't saying I would be buried with my copy of SotN, I'll just never get rid of it. It's too fun (well, the first half anyway...) and I'm forever a Castlevania maniac. Though I do want to be buried in a Dracula costume because if I were alive I wouldn't take my own funeral seriously. I just won't. I refuse to cry when I'm dead. Plus it makes a nice statement, like I'll be back in 100 years. :)
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: KaioShin on September 25, 2015, 03:02:24 am
I won't dispute that a lot of those PSX games are good or even great (well, tbh only Suikodens and Star Ocean :P) but it's pretty much all standard fantasy world fare that I thought the OP wasn't looking for? Hell, if I had to put a name to the concept of "most generic and featureless JRPG ever created" that 'honor' would go to Lunar.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 25, 2015, 08:40:20 am
I won't dispute that a lot of those PSX games are good or even great (well, tbh only Suikodens and Star Ocean :P) but it's pretty much all standard fantasy world fare that I thought the OP wasn't looking for? Hell, if I had to put a name to the concept of "most generic and featureless JRPG ever created" that 'honor' would go to Lunar.

I probably agree with you about Lunar 1, but I think Lunar 2 does a bit better job about things.  I know they aren't popular for breaking molds, but there's just something about them I've always liked, and I thought some of the art was pretty great in both, which might be subconsciously why I brought it up.  And since I didn't get in on the back end of one of these discussions, I really just felt like tossing everything and the kitchen sink out there, since I don't get to talk much about some of these games!  Maybe I just have a greater tolerance anymore for the stuff that drive people crazy in RPG's?  I'm fully prepared to take my beating on recommending Lunar though, I know a lot of people don't like it.

And for the record, I feel like PS1 games are well within the appropriate time limits of cheating to access them now.  My rule of thumb is 2 generations back (or whenever I literally cannot buy non-new versions of non-FF games for a system) and I lose all guilt regarding downloading, especially when they cost $75-200.  Fun fact for some of you though: the local game store where I used to live in Coralville, IA has had a small stock of completely new PS1 FF games for over a decade now--they had copies of FF9 and every one of the remakes/rereleases, and Chrono Cross basically until I moved about 3 months ago.  So if you're up for a road trip....
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 25, 2015, 05:48:11 pm
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I won't dispute that a lot of those PSX games are good or even great (well, tbh only Suikodens and Star Ocean :P) but it's pretty much all standard fantasy world fare that I thought the OP wasn't looking for?

That's where I started, but now that I finally have access to all of the PS1 games I never played, my thirst for something different has been superseded by nostalgia. Right now I'm hungry for sprite art and game music circa 1994-2000.

So far everything looks good. I haven't tried Lunar 2 or SaGa Frontier 2 yet because in both cases I decided to try the preceeding games in each series first. I also have not yet checked out the Suikodens because I haven't had time. I'm eager to see what they're like since I don't think I've ever played a Konami RPG. I'm hoping that means they will be challenging.

The only actual 3D PS1 (action-) RPG I've tried so far is Threads of Fate because it wasn't too ugly. It's pretty fun and I like the story/lead character that I chose (Mint, because she has rings like Carrie Fernandez). I wish the control scheme was a little more configurable but I'll get used to it. Makes me wish they had made a 3D Castlevania for PS ala Legacy of Darkness.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Daria on September 25, 2015, 08:03:41 pm
magictrufflez has a good list there - personally I'd swap FFT for Vandal Hearts because I just didn't like the same things about the game he didn't. I'd also add Persona 2 - dark as shit. I'm of the opinion that they ruined the Persona series with 3, 2 is a very mature game with a heavy lovecraftian-cthulhu vibe. The joker's voice is enough to send chills down your spine. Warning - really hard.

BoF3 and 4 are also massive improvements over the original 2, watch some videos or something but don't skip them based on the original two. Start with 4 - it's gorgeous, the storyline's fucked up, and the ability to swap characters mid battle is the best twist on the traditional turn based system I've ever played.

Edit: Also Alundra. So it's more of a Zelda clone, and a spiritual successor to LandStalker but it's beautiful, challenging, and dark. The story is less about Alundra (a traveller with the ability to step into people's dreams) then it is about this town and its people. Each NPC is "troubled" and as Alundra you'll step into their minds and literally fight their personal demons. It's also one of the saddest games I've ever played (next to Rhapsody).
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: STARWIN on September 25, 2015, 08:06:46 pm
So far everything looks good. I haven't tried Lunar 2 or SaGa Frontier 2 yet because in both cases I decided to try the preceeding games in each series first. I also have not yet checked out the Suikodens because I haven't had time. I'm eager to see what they're like since I don't think I've ever played a Konami RPG. I'm hoping that means they will be challenging.

Lunar in order, yes. SaGa games no continuum I think. Suikoden in-game time order differs from release order, but release order probably feels more natural as 4 is a bit.. rougher than the others. Sorry but no special challenge there. I'm not sure if any of the best turn-based RPGs are challenging, so that is a strange thing to expect!

Please notify after you have played all the recommendations in this thread. I just want to know how long it takes.

Also, discussion between SGP and Daria is hilarious because of those avatars.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 25, 2015, 11:12:47 pm
I just want to say the reason I didn't recommend SaGa Frontier 1 is because I think the game is just so much more shallow gameplay-wise than SF2.  IMO, the fact that there's really only 3 different weapon types really killed things for me, especially since magic is, as per SaGa standard, virtually useless when compared to weapon arts damage-wise.  And really, martial arts (with 1 or  Sword exceptions) are easily more powerful than anything else throughout all of my playthroughs.  In my experience, guns were generally useless, which meant you really only needed to use MA users with some support/healing magic the whole game, which got boring fast.

Some of the plots are OK (I'm partial to the robots myself), and the claymation graphics are kinda neat, but I always liked the more expanded weapon arts and magic from SF2 so much better.

Sorry bout that  /endrant
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: GHANMI on September 25, 2015, 11:20:30 pm
If you're into obscure quirky budget Japanese RPGs, give those a try:
- Tengai Makyou Namida
- Metal Saga ~ Chains of Dust (has US version, if you're playing the JP version avoid the first print copies)

Some Earthbound-like ones:
- Abarenbou Princess
- Chulip (available in English)
- Endonesia (by the devs of Tingle RPG)

Also,
- Tales of Rebirth
- Seven (Tactical RPG by the Tales team)
- Venus and Brave (also on PSP) (sequel for Seven)
- Magic Pengel and its sequel (Ghibli Studios helped with the art style, has some original ideas)
- Radiata Stories
- Star Ocean 3 (but don't play it for the plot)

Well, that and the fact that SCE's Japan division published tons of stuff that was never localized.
- Hungry Ghosts PS2 - horror/RPG hybrid
- Velldeselba Senki Tsubasa no Kunshou PS1 - RPG all about airships, interesting art style too

Give some anime games a try too, especially the Fullmetal Alchemist ones, and one by Sega from an Osamu Tezuka manga where the protagonist is a samurai who got his body parts sold.

Some anti-recommendations, though:
- PS2 Popolocrois games (play the PS1 ones instead)
- Ys 3/5 ports by Taito
- Grandia 2 (bad port)
- Nadia and the Blue Water (average adaptation marred by horrible "fanservice" additions - robotic maids, harem paths for Jean including even Electra and Marie)
- Tengai Makyou Manjimaru (game is excellent but this port is so low budget it hurts)
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 25, 2015, 11:43:29 pm
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Also, discussion between SGP and Daria is hilarious because of those avatars.

:D

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If you're into obscure quirky budget Japanese RPGs, give those a try:
- Tengai Makyou Namida
- Metal Saga ~ Chains of Dust (has US version, if you're playing the JP version avoid the first print copies)

They both look pretty interesting. Is Metal Saga perhaps a Metal Slug RPG? If so: OMG :thumbsup:

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Some Earthbound-like ones:
- Abarenbou Princess
- Chulip (available in English)
- Endonesia (by the devs of Tingle RPG)

Whoa, cool. I remember when those first two came out and I totally forgot about them. All three look atypical so that's good.

...so many new recommendations my head is spinning... LOL

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I just want to say the reason I didn't recommend SaGa Frontier 1 is because I think the game is just so much more shallow gameplay-wise than SF2.  IMO, the fact that there's really only 3 different weapon types really killed things for me, especially since magic is, as per SaGa standard, virtually useless when compared to weapon arts damage-wise.  And really, martial arts (with 1 or  Sword exceptions) are easily more powerful than anything else throughout all of my playthroughs.  In my experience, guns were generally useless, which meant you really only needed to use MA users with some support/healing magic the whole game, which got boring fast.

Some of the plots are OK (I'm partial to the robots myself), and the claymation graphics are kinda neat, but I always liked the more expanded weapon arts and magic from SF2 so much better.

Sorry bout that  /endrant

It seems okay so far, so I guess that means when I get to #2 I'll be pleasantly surprised. :)

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SaGa games no continuum I think.

Yeah, I figured they'd be kinda like the Final Fantasy's in that regard.

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magictrufflez has a good list there - personally I'd swap FFT for Vandal Hearts because I just didn't like the same things about the game he didn't. I'd also add Persona 2 - dark as shit. I'm of the opinion that they ruined the Persona series with 3, 2 is a very mature game with a heavy lovecraftian-cthulhu vibe. The joker's voice is enough to send chills down your spine. Warning - really hard.

BoF3 and 4 are also massive improvements over the original 2, watch some videos or something but don't skip them based on the original two. Start with 4 - it's gorgeous, the storyline's fucked up, and the ability to swap characters mid battle is the best twist on the traditional turn based system I've ever played.

Hmm. I'll give 'em all another look then.

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Edit: Also Alundra. So it's more of a Zelda clone, and a spiritual successor to LandStalker but it's beautiful, challenging, and dark. The story is less about Alundra (a traveller with the ability to step into people's dreams) then it is about this town and its people. Each NPC is "troubled" and as Alundra you'll step into their minds and literally fight their personal demons.

I've been wanting to play this forever but I could only find A2 for a decent price. The two look like totally different games. guess I don't have to wait anymore.

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It's also one of the saddest games I've ever played (next to Rhapsody).

Uh oh. :(

LOL

EDIT: YESSSS!!! I finally found Nage Libre: Rasen no Soukoku for PS1 = turn-based strategy game with school girls and card-based battles. I really enjoyed the SNES version as it was easy to play with little to no knowledge of Japanese. That second shot is a battlefield. LOL
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/mk5orl98zx3kqjh/nagelibrehalf.png)
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: KaioShin on September 26, 2015, 02:53:55 am
Alundra is amazing (IMO better than any 2D Zelda game, yes I said it). But for the love of god, stay away from Alundra 2. Coming from Alundra it's like being ambushed in a dark street corner after midnight and getting gangraped by demons with thorn-covered cocks.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 26, 2015, 03:04:28 am
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But for the love of god, stay away from Alundra 2. Coming from Alundra it's like being ambushed in a dark street corner after midnight and getting gangraped by demons with thorn-covered cocks.

Too late. After hearing how good the first one was I bought Alundra 2 after spotting a used copy for cheap in a local shop. I'll never be the same...

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IMO, the fact that there's really only 3 different weapon types really killed things for me, especially since magic is, as per SaGa standard, virtually useless when compared to weapon arts damage-wise.  And really, martial arts (with 1 or  Sword exceptions) are easily more powerful than anything else throughout all of my playthroughs.  In my experience, guns were generally useless, which meant you really only needed to use MA users with some support/healing magic the whole game, which got boring fast.

Coming back to this, I'm reminded of Final Fantasy V. Within the first 45 mins of the game you can have all of your characters learn "Brawl" and never have to worry about weapons again and every character will have strong attacks.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 26, 2015, 09:25:27 am
Coming back to this, I'm reminded of Final Fantasy V. Within the first 45 mins of the game you can have all of your characters learn "Brawl" and never have to worry about weapons again and every character will have strong attacks.

There are other things I hate about FF5 (Death-X is pretty indicative of the level of effort I felt went into everything outside the class system), but you definitely hit another thing I hated.  Especially endgame, when you're unlocking all those legendary weapons, why the hell would I get the geomancers bell before I unlock Excalibur?  And why even that when I'm punching dinosaurs for ~1-2K damage?  So much stupid went into that game

EDIT:  I just realized all of your reactions to Alundra 2 reminded me of my own reaction to Grandia 3.  I kept thinking it would get better...and 50 hours later the final boss told me his sinister goal was to "destroy the power of love".  I was put on suicide watch for the next 48 hours.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Gideon Zhi on September 26, 2015, 12:08:23 pm
Incidentally, since Lunar 2 is mentioned, I'd much more highly recommend the SegaCD version over the PS1 version. The changes from SegaCD to PS1 are both less and more dramatic than with Lunar 1; where Silver Star had fairly major plot divergences and was way less grindy on PS1, Eternal Blue on PS1 is essentially the same game but with less interesting dungeons. What's more, the translation was lazy and was mostly lifted from the SegaCD version, and even references mazes and puzzles that are no longer in the game.

Metal Saga I mentioned in my original post. It has nothing to do with Metal Slug, and is in fact the third game in the Metal Max series. You're a bounty hunter in an open post-apocalyptic world. When not hunting down the latest marks you spend time excavating tanks from ruins, equipping your dog with back-mounted bazookas, and buying furniture for your home.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 26, 2015, 03:29:13 pm
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Metal Saga I mentioned in my original post. It has nothing to do with Metal Slug, and is in fact the third game in the Metal Max series. You're a bounty hunter in an open post-apocalyptic world. When not hunting down the latest marks you spend time excavating tanks from ruins, equipping your dog with back-mounted bazookas, and buying furniture for your home.

Oh yeah. That's right. I forgot about that. Doh! So many suggestions I'm starting to lose track.

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EDIT:  I just realized all of your reactions to Alundra 2 reminded me of my own reaction to Grandia 3.  I kept thinking it would get better...and 50 hours later the final boss told me his sinister goal was to "destroy the power of love".  I was put on suicide watch for the next 48 hours.

*facepalm*

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I got a chance to play BoF III. Within the first few minutes it was obvious to me that I was going to like this way more than the first two, which I never finished. Also, I had forgotten how much I liked that sort of battle menu. I remember Lufia have the same sort of set up. Glad I came back to it.

Also got to play Vandal Hearts. Was fun and easy to follow/pick up.

At this point I'm loving these PS1 games so much I think I'm just going to shelve the PS2 collection for now.

-Forgot to respond to this-
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Please notify after you have played all the recommendations in this thread. I just want to know how long it takes.

I'll get back to you in a couple of years. LOL

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I'm of the opinion that they ruined the Persona series with 3, 2 is a very mature game with a heavy lovecraftian-cthulhu vibe.

Just saw an ad for Persona 4 - Dancing All Night... *sigh*
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Nightcrawler on September 27, 2015, 11:46:48 am
Incidentally, since Lunar 2 is mentioned, I'd much more highly recommend the SegaCD version over the PS1 version. The changes from SegaCD to PS1 are both less and more dramatic than with Lunar 1; where Silver Star had fairly major plot divergences and was way less grindy on PS1, Eternal Blue on PS1 is essentially the same game but with less interesting dungeons. What's more, the translation was lazy and was mostly lifted from the SegaCD version, and even references mazes and puzzles that are no longer in the game.

EXCEPT THE SEGACD ORIGINAL IS ENTIRELY IN CAPITAL LETTERS ONLY. FOR THAT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT. IT IS VERY ANNOYING TO READ FOR A LARGE RPG.

I also think the PS1 version's enhanced graphics, expanded voice acting, and cut scenes are a worthwhile upgrade.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Gideon Zhi on September 27, 2015, 01:01:59 pm
EXCEPT THE SEGACD ORIGINAL IS ENTIRELY IN CAPITAL LETTERS ONLY. FOR THAT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT. IT IS VERY ANNOYING TO READ FOR A LARGE RPG.

I also think the PS1 version's enhanced graphics, expanded voice acting, and cut scenes are a worthwhile upgrade.

Screamcase is definitely a good reason to go PS1, I'll give you that. But I honestly prefer the cutscenes in the SegaCD version. Even though they're not as fluid, they've got a certain je-ne-sais-quoi about them. I really can't put my finger on it.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Daria on September 27, 2015, 02:13:22 pm
EXCEPT THE SEGACD ORIGINAL IS ENTIRELY IN CAPITAL LETTERS ONLY. FOR THAT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT. IT IS VERY ANNOYING TO READ FOR A LARGE RPG.

YEAH, THIS COMPLETELY TURNED ME OFF FROM THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: vivify93 on September 27, 2015, 07:47:44 pm
I'd also add Persona 2 - dark as shit. I'm of the opinion that they ruined the Persona series with 3
I thought I was the only one! I encounter either of the following camps:

A. "Persona 3 and 4 are godly; wait, there's a Persona 1 and a 2?" (Additional sub-camps: "Fuck Persona 1 and 2," "There are two Persona 2s?", "I only played Innocent Sin because you can be gay in that game," "Persona 4 is the only one I care about, fuck 3 too")
B. "I love all Personas, but some more than others" (Additional sub-camp: "I started with 3 / 4 and went back and fell in love")

I just absolutely despise Persona 3. Whereas in 1 and the 2s, I had only one less-liked character in the playable casts, (Ugh to Brown, Lisa, and to a much much lesser extent, Ulala.) I loathed everyone in SEES except for the heroine--yes, I suffered through 20 hours of Persona 3 Portable--and Theo, who I was trying to get into the pants of. I wanted to replace everyone's Evokers with real guns. Persona your brains all over Tartarus' floor, bitches. People had the nerve to tell me to keep going for another 20 hours, because "that's when the plot picks up." Fuck you, a good game doesn't make you slog through 40 hours of boring shit just to get the ball rolling. Waste of $20.

And how many entries does Persona 4 have now? Seven? Enough with that garbage.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 27, 2015, 08:19:25 pm
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I thought I was the only one! I encounter either of the following camps:

A. "Persona 3 and 4 are godly; wait, there's a Persona 1 and a 2?" (Additional sub-camps: "Fuck Persona 1 and 2," "There are two Persona 2s?", "I only played Innocent Sin because you can be gay in that game," "Persona 4 is the only one I care about, fuck 3 too")
B. "I love all Personas, but some more than others" (Additional sub-camp: "I started with 3 / 4 and went back and fell in love")

I just absolutely despise Persona 3. Whereas in 1 and the 2s, I had only one less-liked character in the playable casts, (Ugh to Brown, Lisa, and to a much much lesser extent, Ulala.) I loathed everyone in SEES except for the heroine--yes, I suffered through 20 hours of Persona 3 Portable--and Theo, who I was trying to get into the pants of. I wanted to replace everyone's Evokers with real guns. Persona your brains all over Tartarus' floor, bitches. People had the nerve to tell me to keep going for another 20 hours, because "that's when the plot picks up." Fuck you, a good game doesn't make you slog through 40 hours of boring shit just to get the ball rolling. Waste of $20.

And how many entries does Persona 4 have now? Seven? Enough with that garbage.

I guess I'm more like a B. That said, 3 + 4 have their flaws but I like playing them (from time to time). One huge complaint about P4: you don't get to play the actual game part until a few hours in. That's a long fucking wait. I don't remember how long the wait in P3 was though.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Daria on September 28, 2015, 02:17:24 pm
Fuck you, a good game doesn't make you slog through 40 hours of boring shit just to get the ball rolling.

That argument usually gets a big "fuck you" from me as well. If a game fails to be fun within the first two hours I'm out. Sometimes less. There's literally hundreds of other games I could be playing, I don't have time for that crap.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 28, 2015, 04:06:50 pm
I will defend P3 and 4--well, I liked them at least.  I never went back to play 1 and 2, partially because Persona, regardless of the game, is LONG, and I didn't want to have to track down physical copies of really inferior versions of the game (especially US P1--good god I don't know what they thought was so wrong with all the characters!).  Are there even PS1 ISOs for less awful English versions?  I would honestly play fixed versions of the US editions, but I don't know if anyones hacked those, and I'm not buying a PSP.

I do legitimately like P3 and 4, but for slightly different reasons.  I do enjoy their plots quite a bit, but I only play the original versions of each--FES and Golden basically make both games obscenely simple, and I thought they were kind of easy to begin with.  The ending of 3 is probably among my favorites too.  I totally agree all this spin-off stuff is ridiculous too--it's about as bad as FF7, except they aren't generally ret-conning stuff.

That said, I suppose I can see where people come from with their complaints about them.  I have a pretty high tolerance for training wheel portions provided it gets better, and I think they both do.  I know I've already complained about Grandia 3, but if there was a 3 hour "set stuff up" story phase with no gameplay, I may have saved myself most of the 50 hours of pain and suffering
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: KaioShin on September 28, 2015, 05:09:48 pm
Persona 1+2 are unplayable for me. Terrible terrible level design. It's just bland and empty corridors. No landmarks of any kind, no soul. Boring battles and a stupid recruitment system. Perhaps they have a good story, but I couldn't get past an hour of either to find out before I had to quit or puke.

P3 & P4 also have terrible dungeon presentation, but the floors are very short and the battles are great (as long as you don't use AI control, in P3's case that means playing Portable afaik). I really like Persona 4 because it has a fantastic cast and a strong story. It's a really engaging mystery plot. Quite atypical from what you usually get. P3 on the other hand, I absolutely despised when it came out. I'm actually playing P3P right now and while I don't hate it anymore, it's still far far inferiour to P4. The cast is much weaker on every level and the story is a joke. No it doesn't get better after 20 hours, whoever told someone that lied to him. The plot of P3 just sucks, it's as simple as that. Zero plot for 60% of the game. Than a "shocking" twist that doesn't affect anyone because it wasn't setup at all and the character it applies to was so bland that no one would give a shit. Not to mention the direction the bad guy turns to is "I want to destroy the world just because ".
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 29, 2015, 12:42:36 am
I've encountered an interesting dilemma. I've burned maybe 30 games, have at least 15-20 discs left (and no other use for them) but I only have one PS1 memory card. I can't play any more games than I have save slots (unless they don't save).
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: mz on September 29, 2015, 01:14:00 am
I bought 5 new 1mb PS1 memory cards for $2 a few months ago...
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 29, 2015, 02:36:39 am
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I bought 5 new 1mb PS1 memory cards for $2 a few months ago...

I'm stuck with one for now though and I think it only has 128kb total. Here's what's on my plate at the moment:

Chocobo Racing
Chocobo's Dungeon 2
Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure
SaGa Frontier
Saiyuki: Journey West
Threads of Fate
Valkyrie Profile

I'm finally able to play Valkyrie Profile and it's nice to enjoy a game that I've waited so long to play and not have it be a let-down. I wish there was an undub for the PS1 version. I don't have a PSP and it appears that the US version for the PS1 is superior anyway.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 29, 2015, 09:49:02 am
Yeah, SGP, you definitely need to get at least 1 more memory card, especially since some games take up 2 blocks of data for saves instead of 1 for the PS1.  I know I need 3 to hold all my saves for PS1 games, and 2 for my PS2 games--and I only have a handful of games I keep multiple saves for.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Isao Kronos on September 29, 2015, 09:59:22 am
I find it interesting in any discussion of Lunar hardly anyone mentions the PSP version as a thing that exists, I generally forget it does lol
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: KingMike on September 29, 2015, 12:13:36 pm
EXCEPT THE SEGACD ORIGINAL IS ENTIRELY IN CAPITAL LETTERS ONLY. FOR THAT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT. IT IS VERY ANNOYING TO READ FOR A LARGE RPG.

I also think the PS1 version's enhanced graphics, expanded voice acting, and cut scenes are a worthwhile upgrade.

Next RPG translation I'm doing in all-caps just for NC.  ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Isao Kronos on September 29, 2015, 12:26:08 pm
DON'T FORGET THE AL BHED
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: I.S.T. on September 29, 2015, 02:18:42 pm
I find it interesting in any discussion of Lunar hardly anyone mentions the PSP version as a thing that exists, I generally forget it does lol

It's pretty good. Not as good as the PSX version, but good.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: vivify93 on September 29, 2015, 02:30:26 pm
I will defend P3 and 4--well, I liked them at least.  I never went back to play 1 and 2, partially because Persona, regardless of the game, is LONG, and I didn't want to have to track down physical copies of really inferior versions of the game (especially US P1--good god I don't know what they thought was so wrong with all the characters!).  Are there even PS1 ISOs for less awful English versions?  I would honestly play fixed versions of the US editions, but I don't know if anyones hacked those, and I'm not buying a PSP.
Being quite honest here, Persona 2: Eternal Punishment's worst aspects are its voice acting (Most of the actors are union veterans by now.) and the fact that it kept the Revelations: Persona names. Persona 2: Innocent Sin was never brought over, so you'd have to use Gemini's translation for it.

As for Revelations, no, you're either stuck with the Americanized version or the PSP version. If you have a PS3 or a PS4 controller and appropriate charging wires, you can pick up a PlayStation TV for like $40, assuming you live in the US? Everything's on PlayStation Network. You wouldn't be able to play the original P3 FES or P4 on it, but you could get Persona 1, Persona 2: Innocent Sin, Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, (PSP port wasn't allowed to be brought over, so if you want it in English, you're pretty much stuck with the PSone version either way.) Persona 3 Portable, and Persona 4 Golden all on the same system.

I was trying to do a minor modernization update for Revelations: Persona; put in stuff like the current series standard of item and spell names, but it didn't pan out. So I'm trying to settle for a text cleanup... The script is surprisingly not that bad. When I first played it, I thought it was atrocious, but going back to it after playing Persona 1 Portable, it's actually pretty well-translated and decently written.

It's got a bunch of horrible typos, the names of spells, demons, Personas, and items were changed, and of course the Americanizations and graphical changes are there, but that's honestly it. The one thing you'll miss is when you meet Boy with Earring in Persona 2: Eternal Punishment. (He uses the Persona 1 protagonist's original design, but of course Revelations: Persona players wouldn't know who the hell he is due to the redesign.)

Revelations is like $70 used, disc only though. I wouldn't recommend getting it.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 29, 2015, 07:06:38 pm
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Yeah, SGP, you definitely need to get at least 1 more memory card, especially since some games take up 2 blocks of data for saves instead of 1 for the PS1.  I know I need 3 to hold all my saves for PS1 games, and 2 for my PS2 games--and I only have a handful of games I keep multiple saves for.

For sure. Some of these games I'm gonna want to keep the saves. If nothing else, it means I'll have to finish what I start. I actually kinda like that (for now).

As for PS2, I have one mem card and while I don't remember how much space it has I do know that it is big enough that I'll never need another one unless I wanted to make a copy for backup.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 29, 2015, 09:33:24 pm
Now that I think of it, you're probably right on the PS2 Memory Cards.  I think one of my cards is pretty much just designated my SaGa card for Romancing SaGa and Unlimited SaGa.

I won't recommend the latter, but if you want to take a look at it, I can confirm it is VERY different.  It's also VERY difficult, though not always in a good way...  Hell, it may just be worth looking at for just the artwork--even most people that hate the game with the passion of 1000 suns dig the watercolor designs.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 30, 2015, 12:41:41 am
Well, I've saved with all of the games I listed above except Chocobo's Dungeon 2 (though I did try it out, it's fun, pretty much Fushigi no Dungeon) and I still have about 40kb left, so I guess I can add maybe 3-6 more games depending on how many slots they take up.

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Hell, it may just be worth looking at for just the artwork--even most people that hate the game with the passion of 1000 suns dig the watercolor designs.

It is gorgeous.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Daria on September 30, 2015, 01:46:21 am
You're still on Rhapsody? You realize it' a 10 hour game tops. Run through, beat it, free up a save slot.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 30, 2015, 02:32:53 am
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You're still on Rhapsody? You realize it' a 10 hour game tops. Run through, beat it, free up a save slot.

heh I haven't been able to finish it yet because I've been spending so much time trying out this mountain of games:

Spoiler:
Akumajou Dracula X: Gekka no Yasoukyoku
Alundra
Azure Dreams
Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain
Bomberman
Brave Fencer Musashi
Breath of Fire III
Breath of Fire IV
Castlevania Chronicles
Chocobo Racing
Chocobo's Dungeon
Darkstone
Dragon Valor
Final Fantasy Origins
Final Fantasy Tactics
Grandia
Gunners Heaven
Harmful Park
Legend of Mana
Lunar: Silver Start Story Complete
Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete
Nage Libre: Rasen no Soukoku
Panzer Bandit
Persona 2: Tsumi - Innocent Sin
Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure
SaGa Frontier
SaGa Frontier 2
Saiyuki: Journey West
Silent Bomber
Silhouette Mirage
Star Ocean: The Second Story
Suikoden
Suikoden II
Tales of Destiny
Tales of Destiny 2
Tales of Phantasia
The Adventure of Little Ralph
Threads of Fate
Top Shop
Torneko: The Last Hope
Valkyrie Profile
Vandal Hearts

I played Rhapsody for about 3 hours just when I was getting started on this PS1 kick. Mostly though it's just been burn, play for a bit, burn another, play for a bit, ad nauseum. It was a spindle of 100 CDs so I've been burning and trying about a handful of games a night (which is a slow process with so many RPGs). For the past two nights though I've actually been playing Valkyrie Profile quite a bit. That game kicks ass.

I'm truly surprised at how many games there were in 2D or with sprite art (which is what I've mainy been focusing on). I wish I had known about these back in the day. I was so sick of seeing nothing but the ugliest 3D games you could imagine. It seemed like that's all there was and it made me want to puke. I can't tell you how disgusted I was with gaming in that era after playing so many charming and beautiful SNES games. It was both exciting and infuriating.

EDIT: + Tomba! and Warzone 2100
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: GHANMI on September 30, 2015, 04:02:26 am
Oh, you're doing PS1 as well? So many good obscure RPGs for that one. There's the stuff by ex-Quintet staff (Lakka, Grandstream Saga) and anything Love-De-Lic (like a game that was Majora's Mask before Majora's Mask, with a peeing button and some offbeat craziness).

About your backlog, you'll probably breeze through Brave Prove, Chippoke Ralf no Daibouken, Harmful Park, Panzer Bandit and Gunners Heaven (has an English PAL version as "Rapid Reload" btw) very quickly.
But you might want to play Little Ralph on the hard "normal" setting, while you'll have only 1HP it's better than having the 3 last worlds locked out from your playthrough.
And the PS1 versions of the early pre-FF7 games are the worst versions of Final Fantasy out there, play the GBA versions if you want.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on September 30, 2015, 04:31:25 am
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Oh, you're doing PS1 as well?

Yeah. Not long after starting this thread I went through the room where I keep all my extra junk and found a spindle of 100 blank CDs that only had maybe 5-10 used. I didn't know what to do with them since I more often use my laptop or MP3 players. Nearby there was my old PS1 so I decided to try and burn a few games. It didn't work out too well because my PS1 is so worn out it barely plays right. I decided to see how easy it was to trick a PS2 into playing burned PS1 games and it turned out to be hilariously simple. Not longer after the nostalgia bug bit me and I've been glued to the PS1 library since. I even went so far as to put all of my PS2 games in storage. LOL There's so many PS1 games I didn't get to play back in the day that it's crazy.

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About your backlog, you'll probably breeze through Brave Prove, Chippoke Ralf no Daibouken, Harmful Park, Panzer Bandit and Gunners Heaven (has an English PAL version as "Rapid Reload" btw) very quickly.

Interesting that you mentioned Brave Prove, as that was not on the list. I looked up some screenshots and while it looked familiar I don't believe I've played it before. Looks to be right up my alley. And with Gunners Heaven/Rapid Reload, I tried the PAL version first since it was in english but it didn't display properly (like the whole screen was an inch lower than it should be with the bottom inch cut off) so I went ahead and downloaded the Japanese version.

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And the PS1 versions of the early pre-FF7 games are the worst versions of Final Fantasy out there, play the GBA versions if you want.

I think I've had my fill of traditional Final Fantasy's for a while. I downloaded FF Origins because I wanted to replay FF2 but I guess I'll try the GBA version. I forgot that it even existed.

I think I've almost got enough games now. LOL
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: I.S.T. on September 30, 2015, 08:10:47 am
GBA version's likely better for FF2 anyway. FF4's PS1 port is more than adequate. FF5 I had no issues with its loading times with but a lot of people do. Translation was kind of not great, but the source material sucks enough to where I didn't give a fuck.

Just... just stay away from FF6 PSX though. The bestiary, "fancy" swirly effects when going into battle, and sound test aren't enough to make up for how badly they fucked up that port.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Bahamut ZERO on September 30, 2015, 04:50:04 pm
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. I decided to see how easy it was to trick a PS2 into playing burned PS1 games and it turned out to be hilariously simple.

Oh really? How hilariously simple?  :)


If your looking for fun PS1 games, I've been hooked on the Misadventures of Tron Bonne and Xenogears. Moreso with Tron Bonne, though I have to put up with some graphical glitches due to playing on a PSP.

Basically you play as Tron Bonne, one of the gang of pirates from Megaman Legends trying to obtain a million Zenny to pay off her family's debt. Using mechs and servbots (hilarious legoman looking robots) you try to rob banks and steal everything in sight.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on September 30, 2015, 11:44:23 pm
GBA version's likely better for FF2 anyway. FF4's PS1 port is more than adequate. FF5 I had no issues with its loading times with but a lot of people do. Translation was kind of not great, but the source material sucks enough to where I didn't give a fuck.

Just... just stay away from FF6 PSX though. The bestiary, "fancy" swirly effects when going into battle, and sound test aren't enough to make up for how badly they fucked up that port.

The FF4 port is worth playing because it basically retranslates the Japanese version of the game...which is noticeably harder than the US version, especially the final boss.  When I played it, it was like getting hit with a pile of bricks at certain points that I would have breezed through in the US version.

But really, these days people should just play Rodimus Primals FF4 patch--it's better and does 99% of the same stuff.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: GHANMI on October 01, 2015, 12:47:29 am
Just... just stay away from FF6 PSX though. The bestiary, "fancy" swirly effects when going into battle, and sound test aren't enough to make up for how badly they fucked up that port.

A technicality, but for both Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6, the PS1 extras for the sound test / bestiary / .. were actually separate Satellaview releases for the Super Famicom in Japan.
Aside from (redundant) FMVs and maybe a handful text changes like "Phoenix Dawn", the PS1 versions added nothing aside from load times. And these extras are included anyways in later ports.

And the FF5 script was Woosley's initial draft for a cancelled localization of the SFC version, which they reused as-is. Of course it's bound to suck (the pirate speak is horrendous).
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on October 01, 2015, 01:07:31 am
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Oh really? How hilariously simple?  :)

Spoiler:
I have the final revision of the PS2 slim but I believe this will work on any model. For a fat model, the method is different due to the tray. I'm going to keep this simple. If you need any more detailed info it won't be hard to find (Google is your friend).

*prerequisites*
A: Remove the disc break (I think it just has one screw and this piece is useless anyway, has no effect on performance).
B: Must have at least one legit PS1 disc, doesn't matter which, probably doesn't even matter if it's scratched. In this case the console will only check to see what type of disc it is. It doesn't appear to load anything from it until you choose to start the game.
C: Find a method of rigging the door sensor(s) that works best for your specific model (it varies). In my case, I have a twist-tie with the end folded over connected to a piece of tape. When I want the console to think it's closed I lay the piece of tape over to where the tip of the twist tie goes into the hole in the front right corner where the door sensor is.

*how to trick the PS2 into playing a burned PS1 game*
A: turn it on with the lid open, don't mess with the door sensor yet
B: go into the "browser" menu
C: now that you're there, put in your legit PS1 disc and trip the door sensor so that it will recognize your disc
D: after the disc shows up in the browser, swap it out with your burned disc (it will still be spinning so you may want to use a disc you don't care about in case you goof and scratch it)
E: once your burned disc is in place, highlight the disc icon and press X to load

It's that easy. You could play with the lid open but I'd suggest setting a remote or something of similar weight on top to hold the lid in place *on top of the tape*. Before I started doing that, I once had the piece of tape come loose during gameplay and it crashed the game.

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Basically you play as Tron Bonne, one of the gang of pirates from Megaman Legends trying to obtain a million Zenny to pay off her family's debt. Using mechs and servbots (hilarious legoman looking robots) you try to rob banks and steal everything in sight.

I'd heard of that one before but I had no idea what it was about. That sounds fun.

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GBA version's likely better for FF2 anyway. FF4's PS1 port is more than adequate. FF5 I had no issues with its loading times with but a lot of people do. Translation was kind of not great, but the source material sucks enough to where I didn't give a fuck.

Just... just stay away from FF6 PSX though. The bestiary, "fancy" swirly effects when going into battle, and sound test aren't enough to make up for how badly they fucked up that port.

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The FF4 port is worth playing because it basically retranslates the Japanese version of the game...which is noticeably harder than the US version, especially the final boss.  When I played it, it was like getting hit with a pile of bricks at certain points that I would have breezed through in the US version.

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A technicality, but for both Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6, the PS1 extras for the sound test / bestiary / .. were actually separate Satellaview releases for the Super Famicom in Japan.
Aside from (redundant) FMVs and maybe a handful text changes like "Phoenix Dawn", the PS1 versions added nothing aside from load times. And these extras are included anyways in later ports.

About a decade ago I owned both collections (FFIV, V, VI, Chrono Trigger) and couldn't stand any of them because I was used to playing the SNES versions (and had played each recently). I remember annoying load times and in some cases I remember SFX that were down-graded to the point where they sounded like someone recorded them over the phone. I'll never touch the PS1 versions of these ever again. At least FF Origins was a legitimate upgrade, but from what others have said I'm better off with the GBA.

Honestly, FF doesn't do much for me these days. The stories are cliche and 99% of the combat is paper-thin (press A, next turn, press A, etc...). They were great back in the day, but these days I'd be much more interested in seeing someone make more creative use of their engines in a hack.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Hiei- on October 01, 2015, 04:01:48 am
About Phantasy Star Generation 2 english translation, it will be released pretty soon as a public beta (private beta will just be used to be sure the game doesn't have game-breaking bug, so it'll be pretty fast and it should start in a week).

If everything is okay, it'll most probably be released during this month.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: SunGodPortal on October 01, 2015, 11:46:10 pm
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About Phantasy Star Generation 2 english translation, it will be released pretty soon as a public beta (private beta will just be used to be sure the game doesn't have game-breaking bug, so it'll be pretty fast and it should start in a week).

If everything is okay, it'll most probably be released during this month.

Sounds cool. I've never actually played any Phantasy Star games. I never was big on the Genesis. Maybe by the time it's finished I'll have some new DVDs. The pack that I got last Christmas doesn't work with my PS2 despite being the same brand I had used before (I blame China, LOL).

As for the PS1 games, I'm down to my last 2 CDs. I didn't have as many as I thought and 10-15 got eaten up by experiments, a few games that turned out to suck (or were just too ugly to look at) and 2 that I just couldn't get to work no matter what (the US version of Silhouette Mirage always crashed when I pressed  X or start and Gegege no Kitarou - Gyakushuu! Youkai Daikessen just wouldn't make it passed the Konami logo).

So, now that I only have two slots left... Any suggestions? I think I've got enough RPGs for now. I'm interested in any genre as long as the graphics aren't too ugly.

EDIT: By the way... If anyone wants a cute action-RPG ala Zelda/Spike McFang/Mana I'd recommend the Japanese PS1 title "Community Pom". I figured I would mention this since I had never heard of it before last night. Turned out to be a really cool game. More people should know about this one.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Hiei- on October 04, 2015, 07:13:21 am
Phantasy Star Generations are CD games, just for the information ;)

And I can confirm it might  be released in a few days as a public beta, as I just received the private one in my email :)
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on October 04, 2015, 12:17:27 pm
Phantasy Star Generations are CD games, just for the information ;)

And I can confirm it might  be released in a few days as a public beta, as I just received the private one in my email :)

I really, really wished I had a more powerful laptop now.  Mine can't really run a PS2 emulator very well, but I LOVE PS2, even the original version
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: Hiei- on October 22, 2015, 03:19:14 pm
The english translation is finally out and can be downloaded on PSCave website.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on October 24, 2015, 02:57:44 pm
The english translation is finally out and can be downloaded on PSCave website.

I took the plunge and got a PS2 emulator to (mostly) work--this translation is glorious.

One thing for future fixes--on my emulator, all the "x"s have little bars above them in the textboxes.  I don't know if this is something left over from the french translation or something, but its there

Great work on this thing though--I love PS2!
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: obscurumlux01 on October 24, 2015, 06:50:03 pm
MT, if you're going to post bugs then they should be bugs with the translation; not with your emulator.
It works fine in PCSX2 for both PSG1 and PSG2 without the glitches you mentioned.  You're either using an outdated version or another emulator.

If you have an issue with bugs with the translation then make sure you're playing on original hardware at least (or using an updated emulator).
I'd suggest grabbing PCSX2 from their Orphis BuildBot Git repository (http://buildbot.orphis.net/pcsx2/index.php).
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on October 24, 2015, 07:30:29 pm
MT, if you're going to post bugs then they should be bugs with the translation; not with your emulator.
It works fine in PCSX2 for both PSG1 and PSG2 without the glitches you mentioned.  You're either using an outdated version or another emulator.

If you have an issue with bugs with the translation then make sure you're playing on original hardware at least (or using an updated emulator).
I'd suggest grabbing PCSX2 from their Orphis BuildBot Git repository (http://buildbot.orphis.net/pcsx2/index.php).

Well, for the record, I literally just downloaded the newest PCSX2 version today right before downloading the PS2 ISO.  And no, I have no idea whether it was due to the emulator or the translation, but it was showing up above all the x's in the textbox so I figured I'd mention it, just in case it did have something to do with the patch.

No need to get hostile--I really like the translation and just wanted to let Hiei know about the issue.
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: tryphon on October 24, 2015, 07:31:28 pm
One thing for future fixes--on my emulator, all the "x"s have little bars above them in the textboxes.  I don't know if this is something left over from the french translation or something, but its there

Could you post a screenshot (here or pscave) ?
Title: Re: Suggestions for PS2 RPGs
Post by: magictrufflez on October 25, 2015, 12:20:10 pm
It looks like it was probably my emulator settings--I saw this particular thing happen when I first started a game, they were showing up, but I went in and tweaked a lot of settings (my laptops a bit old, so I needed to adjust somethings for it to run at a reasonable speed), and now when I tried to get the thing to show up again, it's gone.  Not sure what exact settings would've caused it, but I think something in the default PCSX2 plugin settings triggered it.

Seriously though, good job on the translation--I'm not too far, but I really like what the developers did with the remake, and you guys did a lot of great work on the text