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Title: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on December 13, 2012, 01:51:07 am
I've been going through rom hacks of my favorite series ever, Megaman, and I've come across a rather awesome hack for Megaman 5 that greatly lengthens each stage while keeping the overall difficulty close to the original game, a rarity for a hack.

I've been really enjoying it and got to Wily Castle 1, and seem to have hit a road block. The stage is set up with two gravity reversers in the same room which flip you around....the next room is filled with spikes and a bottomless pit, so the only way to go is up, but the other gravity reverser kicks in, preventing you from doing this. I know this is confusing, so I'll post a few screenshots later.

Does anyone know if this hack is beatable? Perhaps a rom hacker with experience can take a look at the rom and use a decompilier to tell if the stage is unfinished or maybe I'm just doing something wrong. PM me about it. I want to finish the hack and possibly even make a reproduction cart from it, it's that good. Thanks. 
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: locolol on December 13, 2012, 04:09:28 pm
I've never heard of this hack you're mentioning,do you have a link for the Ips patch ?
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on December 13, 2012, 07:55:42 pm
I don't have an ips patch, only the already patched rom. I'd post it here, but since most fourms dont like that, I'd better not unless I get the okay to do so.

I do want to get more information on this hack though. The hack doesn't reveal who made it or when, a revision, anything. All I know is that its a hack of the English Megaman 5, not Rockman 5.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Plint Michigan on December 13, 2012, 07:57:37 pm
Hows the music? Is it custom or preset?
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: gadesx on December 13, 2012, 08:02:43 pm
I have in my game database Mega Man Hyperion 3 too

in Hyperion 5 it says made by JRIVA 2003

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6563/megamanhyperion5covers1.png)
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on December 13, 2012, 09:10:53 pm
Hows the music? Is it custom or preset?

This hack doesn't change the original Megaman 5's music, boss AI, weapons, graphics or anything like that. It might even appear to be completely unaltered at first.

What it does do is greatly lengthen each stage by adding in whole additional sections onto the original Megaman 5 stages. It does this for every stage from the right robot masters through all of the Darkman Blues stages too. Wily 1 also seems edited, but I can't figure out how to proceed past the first ladder. You have to blast junk blocks away to climb the latter, but then you end up in a room with two gravity inverters from Gravity Man's stage. The next room is a death trap pin, so I wonder if there's some way to go up instead?

I tried everything I could think of, but you can't jump on Super Arrows when upside-down, and Rush won't land upside-down for either Coil or Jet.

There seems to be no information on this hack that can find anywhere.

I'd like for someone with rom hacking experience (megaman rom hacking experience preferred) to take a look at it and tell me if its incomplete, or if I'm just not doing something right.

 I like this hack so much I'd like to make a reproduction cart of it, but only if it's finished!

Thanks.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: locolol on December 13, 2012, 10:47:11 pm
I have in my game database Mega Man Hyperion 3 too

in Hyperion 5 it says made by JRIVA 2003

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6563/megamanhyperion5covers1.png)

It would be interesting to play those two hacks,by the looks of it (and what Satoshi_Matrix wrote) they are challenging and fun  ;)

BTW: Maybe you aren't allowed to post link to roms but you can always use LunarIPS to make a patch and share them   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on December 14, 2012, 12:31:58 am
I've screencapped together what the stage looks like as far as I'm able to proceed.

At the first two screens, you need to use Rush Coil or Jet to get up and destroy the Dust-Man destructible blocks. Then climb the latter. If you go to the right, you can't go back to the left. Going left causes you to hit a gravity inverter (marked red), which flips you upsidedown. If you keep going, you'll hit another one and then have no choice but to proceed right. On that screen though, there is nothing but a death trap pit and spiked walls.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e3253b7fcb494ebf96e474397c5869b7/tumblr_mf09sbrjiy1rc7qlzo1_1280.png)

I wanna finish this game if its possible! If its not finished, is there anyone in the rom hacking community who might be able finish it up? The hack is based on the original levels but it just expands on them. No new AI or crazy difficulty.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: kuja killer on December 14, 2012, 07:39:41 am
i certainly have not ever heard of that hack name ever before..

It's not even listed on the rockman hack database here:
http://borokobo.web.fc2.com/neo/rockman/megasearchman/megasearchman2.html

or here...
http://www.futureworld601x-x.com/8yehldd6q711-sjhd32aaa/ccc/hackrom_list5.html

but... i just did manage to find it.
It is actually listed here..
http://rockman2ips.tripod.com/hacklist.html

The download link is not avaiable, because it was on Megaupload...and that's been shut down by the FBI.

Anyway, it's easy for you to check wether the level is completable or not.. just open the rom with the "MegaFLE" level editor to see.
http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/333/
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: MathUser2929 on December 14, 2012, 08:12:32 am
Well, you should upload a ips of that hack if you want people to find it seeing as it's impossible to find.

Edit: BTW here's a english version of the tripod site: http://rockman2ips.tripod.com/index_en.html
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: gadesx on December 14, 2012, 09:34:37 am
I made the patch using my rom
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22524283/ips/MegaMan%20Hyperion5.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22524283/ips/MegaMan%20Hyperion5.zip)

I have a really big collection of mega man hacks and others,
Here I have the database with titles and snapshots only.
http://code.google.com/p/nes-database/downloads/list (http://code.google.com/p/nes-database/downloads/list)
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: locolol on December 14, 2012, 11:48:03 am
I made the patch using my rom
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22524283/ips/MegaMan%20Hyperion5.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22524283/ips/MegaMan%20Hyperion5.zip)

I have a really big collection of mega man hacks and others,
Here I have the database with titles and snapshots only.
http://code.google.com/p/nes-database/downloads/list (http://code.google.com/p/nes-database/downloads/list)

Ah! glad you could make the patch by yourself,gadesx  :thumbsup:
And you have an interesting database there! You should share the IPS from "Megaman Hyperion3.zip" too ,because as kuja killer said, there is a link to them,but they were on a filehosting site that no longer exists  :(
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: gadesx on December 14, 2012, 04:52:46 pm
here the hyperion 3
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22524283/ips/Megaman%20Hyperion3.rar (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22524283/ips/Megaman%20Hyperion3.rar)
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on December 14, 2012, 06:35:24 pm
Hyperion 3 isn't nearly as good, but that's cool too.

For those who might want more info Megaman Hyperion 5 has massively long stages. For example, using screenshots, I've photoshopped together a map of Napalm Man's stage in this hack. This stage is about twice the length of the original Megaman 5's.

right click > view image to see it at a reduced, but still larger size. Not sure if its possible to upload it in its native resolution.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8337/8272727973_374f17d99d_k.jpg)
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: KingMike on December 14, 2012, 07:44:26 pm
I think the forum auto-resizes large images.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on December 15, 2012, 01:57:53 pm
Now that the patch has been re-distributed, can someone with rom hacking skills and particular knowledge of Megaman hacking tell me if the hack is finished or not? Not sure exactly how level hacks work, but wouldn't there be an obvious point in the rom where the edits end if that's the case? Other unfinished Megaman hacks I've come across will literally be filled with garbled graphics and you'll be unable to proceed because there's nothing to proceed to.

Since there aren't garbled graphics here, I'm wondering just what the case is. Maybe the game IS finished. I have no idea.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: RetroHelix on December 15, 2012, 02:27:50 pm
I took a look at the level, just because I was curious about the editor.  :laugh:
Unfortunately I only can tell you that there is an M container near the gravity trigger. Watching the next screen I don't think there is a way up and there are also no other objects. Oh, and the game is not finished there.
Spoiler:
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5062/sc2s.png)

Any idea anyone?
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: gadesx on December 15, 2012, 06:53:09 pm
if you can upload a save state on this stage for look i will can see the problem,
I remenber see a strange and fatal bug in a megaman hack too, and I had to user cheats
for advance up to the ending
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Zynk on December 15, 2012, 08:47:59 pm
I found a glitch where when you die half way in Shadowman Stage, the screen where a 1up & an E-can, the checkpoint there doesn't scroll! I'm stuck!
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on December 16, 2012, 06:57:51 am
if you can upload a save state on this stage for look i will can see the problem,
I remenber see a strange and fatal bug in a megaman hack too, and I had to user cheats
for advance up to the ending

I can upload the save file from NESTERJ for PSP if that helps.

otherwise, try the password. It only goes up to Protoman 1 though, so you'll need to play through four stages to get to Wily 1 where I'm running into the problem.

here's the password for Protoman 1. Let me know if the NESTERJ save state is something I should upload.
(http://www.mmhp.net/ScreenShots/MM5/PassToPM.GIF)
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: gadesx on December 16, 2012, 11:08:48 am
Ive tested and there is no exit, using cheats I tried go in every exit in each corner and there is no exit so the game is unfinished there, so the willy castle 2 seems dont finished
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: RetroHelix on December 16, 2012, 12:36:26 pm
Maybe only the level scrolling was set wrong cause the next levels are there, judging from a view with the editor. Could you post a savestate pls. I like to test this out myself but don't want to play the game :)
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: kuja killer on December 16, 2012, 12:40:10 pm
it's obvious the game wasn't ever finished fully..

I opened the rom myself in megafle... scroll through a few screens, and can clearly see the rest of the stage is as it was in a original MM 5 rom... wily 2, 3, and 4 remain un-touched. Same as original mm5 rom...

so yea... The game ends at the start of wily 1

bottom line
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: MathUser2929 on December 16, 2012, 12:56:16 pm
If the guy wanted people to be sure that people know the game ain't complete he should have just removed all the floor tiles and made the rest of the level a big pit. Not something that looks like some unsolvable puzzle.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: RetroHelix on December 16, 2012, 03:20:32 pm
it's obvious the game wasn't ever finished fully..

I opened the rom myself in megafle... scroll through a few screens, and can clearly see the rest of the stage is as it was in a original MM 5 rom... wily 2, 3, and 4 remain un-touched. Same as original mm5 rom...

so yea... The game ends at the start of wily 1

bottom line
I see, that explains what i saw there (never played mega man v).
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on December 17, 2012, 02:51:31 pm
A shame, but it is as I suspected. I'm glad it wasn't that I was too dump to figure out this puzzle lol

Now onto the second obvious question - Is there anyone in the rom hacking community that would be willing to put the work forth to finish this hack? is the style that is already done? Again, this isn't some crazy ASM hack with new music, graphics or gameplay. It just takes what the original game did and expands upon them to give longer stages.  Wily 3 is the boss rush IIRC, so really only a total of three more stages would need to be worked on, and then the game would go golden.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: MathUser2929 on December 17, 2012, 03:09:41 pm
No reason you couldn't fix it. I'm sure the editor is easy to use. If you do you can submit it to RHDN as an Addendum hack. That means you are adding onto someone elses hack. Make sure you credit the original author if you know who it was. Your name would go as the hack author probably then you would put the original author in the credits field on the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on December 17, 2012, 04:26:19 pm
I'm not a rom hacker myself, I have no experience. I need someone who does to finish this up.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: RetroHelix on December 20, 2012, 10:19:20 am
If you really don't have the slightest idea about the editor you could come up with the design at least. Make some sketches and post them here or tell some ideas. Maybe someone is going to expand the hack.
But you should at least give the editor a second try. Read the readme and fiddle around a bit.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on December 21, 2012, 12:31:37 am
I can certainly do that, create mock up maps for the four remaining stages, in fact, only Wily Stage 1 and 2 need editing - Wily 3 is the Boss Rush, and Wily 4 is just the final battle with Wily. Just two maps need to be edited and this hack will be complete. If someone can implement my map edits into the code then I'll be more than happy to work on this.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: kuja killer on December 26, 2012, 07:52:43 am
i've just started playing this hack finally for the first time, early this morning.

And i'm really enjoying it alot. :) i really like these new super extremely long levels. :)

the level design is actually pretty good too, "above average" to me. :)

only beaten 3 of the 8 guys so far at the momment.
i just literally go all like "eeeee" out loud to myself, in a smily type of way whenever i see the boss doors, but the stage still keeps going on longer :)
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on December 27, 2012, 05:06:33 am
not sure if you haven't been following this thread, but Hyperion 5 is currently unfinished. There are several areas in the existing hack that need retouching and all of the Wily stages need to be edited.

I can provide exact screenshot map mockups if someone with actual hacking skills can implement them. For one thing, the long jump section in Gravityman's stage is nearly impossible to complete normally. I'll post later with what the changes I suggest to make it far more fair.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: gadesx on December 27, 2012, 12:31:18 pm
Well, I made this patch for testing, simply "add" the way to continue the game in Willy castle 1, there is some spikes that can be crossed using rush jet and the game continue like in the original MM5 (I didn't touch this)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22524283/MegaMan%20Hyperion5%20continue%20by%20gadesx.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22524283/MegaMan%20Hyperion5%20continue%20by%20gadesx.zip)
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: JRIVA on February 12, 2013, 09:11:45 am
Hello my friends.

Glad you like it Hyperion
I intend to end projects

I leave my new blog address

http://megamanhyperion.blogspot.com/

I borrowed dl.dropbox post links to gadesx
(Before I had them in megaupload)  :P

I will update the blog

February 12, 2013, 11:03:21 am - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1745wowufNg/URpOeNsD78I/AAAAAAAAACU/wessIj0DzMk/s320/Willy+01.PNG)

http://www.mediafire.com/?5zzi05dy3y1t3i1
With the problem solved in the stage 1 of the Willy castle
81% Complete
still missing...
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: Satoshi_Matrix on May 20, 2013, 06:02:14 pm
Hey, any progress on this hack? I'd love to see it finished. Also, there are some minor gripes I have with it that I'd like you to change. This is a really awesome hack and I love 99% of the things you've done with it, but there are some minor problems. But before I go pointing them out, I'd like to see if you have a more finished build.
Title: Re: Mega Man Hyperion 5 - Is it beatable?
Post by: JRIVA on May 22, 2013, 06:53:13 pm
Hello!!

Visit my blog
http://megamanhyperion.blogspot.com/

The lastest version is the 0.99

The link in mediafire is  http://www.mediafire.com/?fzltllsd1w5qifr


There are still many details to correct.
So is 0.99 and not 1.00

regards my friend
I hope your comments