why is it that only now with the wii

Nintendo started making 2d games again for consoles and the gamecube had such a luckster library of them and any games compared to the wii? Why didnt nintendo put more effort into the cube like they are now with games like wario, mario bros, etc. there are almost no 2d games on the cube.

I think the GC library is 10 times stronger than the current Wii line-up, so I really don't see your point. And what has 2D to do with anything?

2D games are cheaper to develop, and take less time.  I think Nintendo right now is looking to spit games out and rake some cash, not make masterpieces.

Three words, installed user base.

2D games are cheaper to develop, and take less time.  I think Nintendo right now is looking to spit games out and rake some cash, not make masterpieces.

That implies, though, that 2D games are not masterpieces.  It may be cheaper to develop a 2.5D game, but that certainly doesn't mean it's not a great game.

Of course, given that the majority of the people here are interested in or actively hacking 2D games from generations ago, I probably don't need to extol the virtues of 2D gaming.

Forgot to add super paper mario to that list. Wii has waay more innovation (gc was just an extension of n64 with almost the same games) and waay more 2d and nostaligia.

(gc was just an extension of n64 with almost the same games)

wat

also everyone says in reviews that the gc batallion wars is lacking and is only just a big tutorial for the wii version. And Mario sunshine was great but ligis mansion seems like a cheap ghost busters game and kinda lame imo (never played it), wario world is soppsoevly incredibly short, the gc doesnt have a proper flight starfox game, so what else is there on the cube? Paper marios imo are weird to look at and ifnerior to the gba/ds mario and luigi rpgs (and snes), so again why was the quality so low on the gc?
November 17, 2009, 06:52:16 PM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)pimpkin seem ok but if I want a strategy game id rather play some on a pc, so I never even tried those. I mean at least with the wii you have some uniqueness in games with the wii mot eplus many great 2d games.
November 17, 2009, 06:52:55 PM - (Auto Merged - Double Posts are not allowed before 7 days.)oh and everyone says the gc metal gear solid is ifnerior to the freaking psx version!!!

That implies, though, that 2D games are not masterpieces.  It may be cheaper to develop a 2.5D game, but that certainly doesn't mean it's not a great game.

Oh come on you know what I meant.  The last many 2D recent games I've played by Nintendo on the DS and Wii were nice, but definitely not masterpieces.

and then there is also metorid the other M, and plus the wii has all the metorid prime games of the gc with added visuals and controls. On top of all this, there is another galaxy coming for it so unlike the gc it will have 2 3d mario games and a 2d one.

That implies, though, that 2D games are not masterpieces.  It may be cheaper to develop a 2.5D game, but that certainly doesn't mean it's not a great game.

Oh come on you know what I meant.  The last many 2D recent games I've played by Nintendo on the DS and Wii were nice, but definitely not masterpieces.

I dunno, I was just thinking specifically about New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and how much fun I'm having with it.  Or Bowser's Inside Story.  Or Odin Sphere.  Or the Castlevania games on DS, among others.

More to the point, I was probably just thinking too much about some recent arguments I've had with people that think that just because a game is 2D, it is somehow _automatically_ inferior to a 3D game.  It's entirely possible that I viewed your comment through that lens, and as such, responded to that distorted version of your point. 

how good is the newlittlebig planet for psp from the stand point of getting it only for gameplay and downloading/playing levels not actually making them?

The game is not 2-dimensional.

Forgot to add super paper mario to that list. Wii has waay more innovation (gc was just an extension of n64 with almost the same games) and waay more 2d and nostaligia.

Seriously? Super Paper Mario is one of the worst mario games I've played!

And Mario sunshine was great but ligis mansion seems like a cheap ghost busters game and kinda lame imo (never played it)

you're judging a game you never played? did you even own a gamecube? and yeah Luigi's Mansion is pretty sad, it was a stopgap, Mario Sunshine was indeed a terrific game and probably has some of the most challenging moments in just about any mario game I've played.

As for New IP on the Gamecube, they had a load, Pikmin, Mario Strikers, Baten Kaitos, Eternal Darkness, Giest, Killer 7, True Crime,

you mentioned starfox for gamecube, the land missions were lame but the space missions weren't bad (not as good as starfox 64) but there isn't even a starfox game on the Wii, or F-Zero, Waverace, Mario Tennis/Golf, 1080 snowboarding,

as for good 2D on Gamecube, what about Alien Hominid? 2.5D? Ikaruga, Viewtiful Joe, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat

Innovation? Resident Evil 4

First Fire Emblem, Metroid, Tales of Symphonia and Final Fantasy on a Nintendo home console since the SNES

as for Paper Mario looking inferior to a GBA game, are you blind? If you meant gameplay I'd still have to disagree unless you mean Super Paper Mario (terrible game)

as for dissing Pikmin after never playing it, you really need to give it a try, it's a console experience and an awesome one at that, it's not like games on the PC, and since you never played it, you didn't understand that.

Finally, the only reason I know that people say the GC MGS is worse than the PSX version is because of the voice acting, it wasn't made by kojima studios directly, but the visuals are obviously head and shoulders above the PSX version, and the gameplay incorporates elements from MGS2 so really it's better in a lot of ways.

Seriously man, after all the "but I haven't played it" statements it seems like you missed out on the entire Gamecube era and are dissing it for some odd reason. It had amazing games, it had a lot less filth than the wii also, I loved my gamecube, I also love my Wii, but I'm not running around saying its better than the gamecube by some great magnitude.

We've yet to see many decent RPGs on the Wii which is something the Cube excelled at. We've also seen practically zero new IPs from Nintendo besides Wii this and that, honestly I don't know where you came up with Gamecube having no "new" games as it had probably more new 1st party IP than the N64 or the Wii.

(gc was just an extension of n64 with almost the same games)

What do you mean by extension?