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Romancing SaGa 3 Hack !?.
« on: April 30, 2012, 08:27:51 pm »
has anyone here heard about this ?

youtube link:

http://youtu.be/AsVgQ8zNh-s


it looks like a group a japanese people did a really huge romhack of romancing saga 3 for the SNES !! 

i have the patch and game now...and it is very huge...an almost ridiculous amount of content has been added to this game  >_<"

this hack is all in japanese...though very fun to play...if anyone is interested in helping translate this SNES hack into english, please shoot me a message !!

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Re: Romancing SaGa 3 Hack !?.
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 10:38:37 am »
That does indeed look awesome.   
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 02:00:42 pm »
I bet that this is what happened to Gustav after he disappeared at the Southern Fort.  And is that Blue, Miriam, and Diana I see?

Has anyone translated the 3 Romancing SaGa games?  Are there lists of offsets anywhere?

And I mirrored loda.jp a few months ago, if anyone wants it.  IIRC, that was the Romancing SaGa modding site.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2012, 05:40:43 pm by creeperton »

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Re: Romancing SaGa 3 Hack !?.
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 08:13:11 pm »
@MontyMole yeah some of the new attacks and animations are insane !!

check out this video :

http://youtu.be/Amxbmio7AqA 

@creeperton ha ha, i really missed playing with gustav...and yes, more or less all of the major SaGa characters from past games are in this game. 

* and a really large number of them can be recruited *

well RS3 was translated into english by two different group a few years ago. 

hmm...load.jp ?

can you tell me more about this ? 

but anyhow, i have the patch file...should i upload it here or make a page about it ?

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 09:58:07 pm »
Those translation patches aren't compatible with the major Japanese RS3 hacks. RS3 mixes event commands in with its main text. Mana Sword's translation and the bigger RS3 hacks conflict since they both modify the script.

The best source that I know for RS3 hacking info is romancing@wiki.

You might want to ask magno. He's dumped the Japanese script and Mana Sword's English script. Though, since the Japanese hacks add additional event commands, whatever script dumper/inserter he uses might not be enough.


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Re: Romancing SaGa 3 Hack !?.
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2012, 02:56:56 am »
@Break: you mean you have the patch file for the hack the videos? If so, please post! It looks insanely good. Thanks!

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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2012, 05:05:07 pm »
Those translation patches aren't compatible with the major Japanese RS3 hacks. RS3 mixes event commands in with its main text. Mana Sword's translation and the bigger RS3 hacks conflict since they both modify the script.
I'm aware of that, SaGa Frontier 1 and 2 are exactly the same.  I have a theory that both of these games were made with some kind of GUI tool for non-programmers that generates "resource" files, which are field screens, sprites, text, and event coding all mixed together.  If I could, I'd write a program that loads the "resources", and allows you to view, modify, and preview them as they will appear in the game.

The best source that I know for RS3 hacking info is romancing@wiki.
Thanks.

You might want to ask magno. He's dumped the Japanese script and Mana Sword's English script.
Thanks, I'll talk to him.  Maybe he can provide some pointers on SaGa Frontier 1 as well.

Though, since the Japanese hacks add additional event commands, whatever script dumper/inserter he uses might not be enough.
There's no way in hell you can make a newb-friendly "editor", similar in function to editors for other games, because - as you and I both know - the SaGa games weren't made the same way as other games.  I need to make something that works exactly the way that Square's tools worked, if I want to build a community around modding SaGa games.

It will take me a while to upload loda.jp to wherever.  First I'll drop it into a 7zip file, and put it up on mediafire or something.  Then I'll talk to some other people I know, about setting up a for-real mirror of the site up somewhere, which can then be translated into English.
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Re: Romancing SaGa 3 Hack !?.
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2012, 02:30:59 am »
And I mirrored loda.jp a few months ago, if anyone wants it.  IIRC, that was the Romancing SaGa modding site.
loda.jp was really more of a general file hosting service from what I understand. While they used it as one of their main upload places at one point, currently the Japanese RS3 community has its own file uploaders, SagaUpLoader and SagaUploader2.

There's a third one, ああろだ(ああβはこちら) , listed on the RS3 thread at gameurawaza, but I think it's associated with one of the major RS3 hacks. Also, the download speeds from there are ridiculously low for me for some reason.

There's no way in hell you can make a newb-friendly "editor", similar in function to editors for other games, because - as you and I both know - the SaGa games weren't made the same way as other games.  I need to make something that works exactly the way that Square's tools worked, if I want to build a community around modding SaGa games.
I was mostly just hoping for "Extract Japanese mod's script, translate, re-insert".
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Re: Romancing SaGa 3 Hack !?.
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2012, 04:24:39 pm »
loda.jp was really more of a general file hosting service from what I understand. While they used it as one of their main upload places at one point, currently the Japanese RS3 community has its own file uploaders, SagaUpLoader and SagaUploader2.

There's a third one, ああろだ(ああβはこちら) , listed on the RS3 thread at gameurawaza, but I think it's associated with one of the major RS3 hacks. Also, the download speeds from there are ridiculously low for me for some reason.
That's good to know.

I haven't taken a look at the stuff in loda.jp, but there are a bunch of 7z and zip files, many of which have saga somewhere in their name.

I was mostly just hoping for "Extract Japanese mod's script, translate, re-insert".
Translate the game, or translate this particular mod?

You might be better off writing something that "decompiles" the events into something human readable, so that you'd only have to translate the text and then add some line breaks in so the English script fits in.  Final Fantasy Tactics has a similar tool for decompiling and compiling events, so you might wanna ask around at FFHacktics.

http://ffhacktics.com/downloads.php?id=5

You still need to know what the event commands are, and how to differentiate them from text and resources (images and in some cases sound effects, unless the game keeps resources in their own separate area and then calls them when it needs them).

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Re: Romancing SaGa 3 Hack !?.
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2012, 08:47:43 pm »
@Break: you mean you have the patch file for the hack the videos? If so, please post! It looks insanely good. Thanks!


oh, sorry about that  >_<" 

i just uploaded the patch for ya :

Download Patch
http://www.mediafire.com/?lcnirbedb9gq0gp


patch it to this rom :

Romancing Saga 3 (V1.1) (J)

and this is the emulator i tested it on :

snes9x version 1.5.2.0


Also, here is a link to the Lunar IPS patching tool :

http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/240/ 


* i hope that helps ? *

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2012, 11:02:41 pm »
GODAMN i wish this game was in English.

There is no 100% RS3 translation. Id rather play the original before playing the japanese hacked one.

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2012, 03:00:24 am »


oh, sorry about that  >_<" 

i just uploaded the patch for ya :

Download Patch
http://www.mediafire.com/?lcnirbedb9gq0gp


patch it to this rom :

Romancing Saga 3 (V1.1) (J)

and this is the emulator i tested it on :

snes9x version 1.5.2.0


Also, here is a link to the Lunar IPS patching tool :

http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/240/ 


* i hope that helps ? *

Thanks a lot for posting!

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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2012, 04:27:18 pm »
GODAMN i wish this game was in English.

There is no 100% RS3 translation. Id rather play the original before playing the japanese hacked one.


hmm...the one i have seem close enough to 100% english to me :

video #1:

http://youtu.be/HFQXhbO0eJs

video #2:

http://youtu.be/FbaluKB0IFc 


anyhow, did anyone want to get together and work on translating the japanese hacked one ?

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2012, 05:09:57 pm »
The big issue is that there's a few graphics untranslated, and that the font is kind of a cheat (2 8x16 tiles pasted onto each 16x16 tile), so it requires a ZSNES savestate hacking program to un-T E R R A N I G M A the player's name. :P
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2012, 01:06:32 am »
did anyone want to get together and work on translating the japanese hacked one ?
I doubt it since This is a very hard game to translate and if i'm not mistaken, the original english translation team (mana sword) is dead, it's a shame cause the hack it's pretty well done and has some great music ported from other SaGa games. Magno is currently translating this game to spanish so maybe he can help.

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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2012, 08:09:34 pm »
I doubt it since This is a very hard game to translate and if i'm not mistaken, the original english translation team (mana sword) is dead, it's a shame cause the hack it's pretty well done and has some great music ported from other SaGa games. Magno is currently translating this game to spanish so maybe he can help.

YES! i will enjoy it in ye old spanish one day!!!  Just like I did with XAK 1, and Captain Tsubasa 3, the only other Japanese to Spanish translations that exist.

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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2012, 08:54:23 pm »
Yes, magno is doing a pretty amazing job with this game, he already hacked the game routine to fit a lot of letters in the dialogue boxes, he even translated the remaining text of the battles. If you want to check his progress here is his homepage: http://magno.romhackhispano.org/

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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2012, 10:18:24 pm »
^cool link, a bit off topic, but it seems the guy (SpectrumXD) who had a huge hand in hacking and translating Tsubasa 3 was working on Tsubasa J for the SNES. He vanished from the scene in 2008 I believe.

His site is gone. I found a patch elswhere of Captain Tsubasa V for the SNES both in English & Spanish but the Spanish version was more complete and more work was done and text contained much more detail.

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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2012, 12:16:58 am »
Yeah, sometimes foreign translations can be a lot better than english translations, but most of the foreign translations are based on the english translations so it's kind of a limitation cause there are a lot of games that aren't translated yet (romancing saga 2 comes to mind).

It would be really cool if someone tries to translate this hack, it would be very worthwhile

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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2012, 10:16:52 am »
For anyone who would like to try this game, here is Japanese guide of hack that covers nearly everything
http://www.wikihouse.com/roma312new/index.php?FrontPage

About hacking... There is tool called RS3ExTool2. You can change characters, music, monster, graphics and something with skills... But it seems it was designed for normal RS3, i can't preview hacked characters with it... (up to snowman, rest shows error). Too bad everything is in "????" so i have no idea how it works.