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I just discovered the SUIKODEN of the NES!
« on: March 08, 2012, 07:35:07 pm »
Bloody Warrriors


 knew about the game for years... since back in the late 90s. Despite having an english title the game was japanese preventing one english speaker to progress. Well now the mystery has been unlocked and we see wher Suikoden may have taken its RPG/ to SRPG structure from!! Game is amazing. Only problem is there are still townspeople who have not have had their text translated!!!

Typical RPG segments







Suikoden / SRPG type segments





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Re: I just discovered the SUIKODEN of the NES!
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2012, 05:28:15 pm »
Nice find

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Re: I just discovered the SUIKODEN of the NES!
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2012, 05:28:53 pm »
Uhh... this is not the first game with those strategy aspects. And besides, what makes you think Suikoden was "inspired" by this crappy game? Do they share developers? Did the Suikoden team say they liked this game?

By the way, I've played this game and it has nothing similar to Suikoden. At all.
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Re: I just discovered the SUIKODEN of the NES!
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2012, 07:08:08 pm »
Yeah. The only thing in common they have is the title. Which, in itself, is simply the Japanese way to pronounce the name of the Chinese novel "Water Margin".

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Re: I just discovered the SUIKODEN of the NES!
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2012, 09:31:03 pm »
Yeah. The only thing in common they have is the title. Which, in itself, is simply the Japanese way to pronounce the name of the Chinese novel "Water Margin".

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Yes, because "Suikoden" and "Bloody Warriors" are the same title. What?

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Re: I just discovered the SUIKODEN of the NES!
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2012, 10:43:08 pm »
Yes, because "Suikoden" and "Bloody Warriors" are the same title. What?
Pardon me, I'm currently ill (girlfriend's brother gave us Mono. T_T).

Oh, whoops. I missed the part where he said he was talking about Bloody Warriors. I thought he actually was talking about the game Suikoden on the NES.

http://superfamicom.org/famicom/info/suikoden-tenmei-no-chikai

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Re: I just discovered the SUIKODEN of the NES!
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 02:14:40 pm »
Uhh... this is not the first game with those strategy aspects


So which RPG also had a separate Strategy RPG segment implemented into the game BEFORE this one? Just curious:

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Re: I just discovered the SUIKODEN of the NES!
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2012, 05:33:45 pm »
Nobunaga's ambition, 1988

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Re: I just discovered the SUIKODEN of the NES!
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2012, 05:49:50 pm »
Destiny of an Emperor series, 1989

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2012, 06:07:34 pm »
I haven't played much of it, but isn't Destiny of an Emperor a standard turn-based RPG?
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2012, 06:22:45 pm »
I didn't think DoE was like that.  But apparently there's a third game?  And it skews towards the SRPG spectrum?

EDIT:  Never mind, it apparently never came out.  And there's a pirate game of the same name.  Unless something changes later in DoE II, it doesn't fit the bill.
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2012, 06:30:59 pm »
Capcom did make a DoaE game on the SFC, but it is a strategy game that's pretty much impossible to play if you can't read Japanese.
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2012, 06:37:49 pm »
Capcom did make a DoaE game on the SFC, but it is a strategy game that's pretty much impossible to play if you can't read Japanese.
Yeah, I think that's the one.  It was never officially released, from what I've just read, but the beta is floating around on the 'net.
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Re: I just discovered the SUIKODEN of the NES!
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2012, 08:04:37 pm »
I haven't played much of it, but isn't Destiny of an Emperor a standard turn-based RPG?
It is, but it has character-recruiting mechanics and character management.  There are over 100 enemy generals you can recruit over the course of your career, although none level up so only the core story party you acquire is viable the whole game.

Also, the damage system is (extremely loosely) based on the number of soldiers your characters command, so your "HP" also determines attack damage, and the tactician system actually requires you to choose whether it's more useful to have a high-INT character in your active party, or to use him to maximize your MP total-equivalent.  You can do both, but it's more difficult to manage since it sucks to have your strategist die mid-battle.

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Regarding Suikoden, since the war mechanics of the first game were so simple, I don't think it 'needs' an inspiration.  Water Margin itself has narrative very similar to what happens in battle ('X, Y, Z led their knife-and-shield warriors into the fray...').

Fun facts, since we're talking about Suikoden anyway... the first game may be a fantasy game, but its narrative structure. characters, and many of its events are direct parallels to Water Margin (poisoned tea, the luring of Lepant, Fire Spears).  The second game is actually inspired by Romance of the Three Kingdoms.  Initially that's less obvious, but if you start drawing out the various locations on a map it's very clear.

All of this would likely be more readily apparent to a Japanese audience more familiar with the novels, which are fantastic by the way.  More readable than some science fiction.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2012, 10:13:09 pm »
Oh.  I thought we were still on the SRPG aspect.  I do remember the first game having tons of recruitable generals.  It was awesome.  Almost like a ancient Chinese version of Pokemon;)
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2012, 11:26:20 pm »
Yeah, I think that's the one.  It was never officially released, from what I've just read, but the beta is floating around on the 'net.

Only copy listed on ebay at the moment.
Didn't see any at the moment on Yahoo Japan auctions, so my guess is it's released but uncommon.

The listing has only a stock photo, but it seems unlikely a seller with that much feedback would make it up. :)
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2012, 11:34:58 pm »
lol I knew someone would  try to bring up Destiney of an Emperor. Its a straight RPG no SRPG battles


Also Nobungas Ambition is just a strategy game is it not? That one I have never tried, elaborate on it if you dont mind.

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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2012, 11:58:22 pm »
Heh.  Then maybe that first source I turned up was just wrong.  Dunno.  I'll freely admit that I was trying to find this stuff on the fly, and that I'm not overly familiar with a lot of Japan-only titles.  I've played the first two DoE games, though.

Here's the link I used.  No idea if it's right.

http://kongming.net/doae3/
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2012, 10:56:12 am »
But even if Bloody Warriors is the first of its kind, what makes you think Suikoden was inspired by it? Just because both have RPG and strategy elements?

I don't think that's enough because I've played both games to completion and I really don't see Suikoden being inspired by this game. Mixing strategy with RPG was not something only Bloody Warriors did up until Suikoden was released. So for all you know, Suikoden could have copied another (and much better) game.

So unless the Suikoden team says they were inspired by the game, or that certain team members from Bloody Warriors also worked on Suikoden, then I'm going to have to say bollocks to that :P

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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2012, 11:01:51 am »
I don't think there's any real basis for comparison at all.